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Did Andy Warhol care for Edie?


I know I'm probably going to be called an idiot or something for asking this question but it's been really bugging me since the movie suggests many different ideas of whether he really cared or not. At times I felt they both really connected and they both genuinely cared for each other and sometimes...it seemed cruel to watch their relationship deteriorate. I suppose in the end of the movie where she died I kinda wanted to see him break down in tears or something but knew that wasn't going to happen. Anyways, I don't know their back story as I am not a dedicated fan but if someone could clear this question up for me it would be much appreciated.

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This is just my personal opinion, but I don't think Warhol really cared for anyone but himself. He used Edie, he played with her like a child plays with a toy, or like a cat plays with it's prey. And when he got tired of her, he threw her away and moved on.

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andy warhol was a lot of things but he was not an emotionally healthy person or even a very nice person. once he was done with edie that was it. which sort of makes me dislike him very intensely.

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once he was done with edie that was it. which sort of makes me dislike him very intensely.

You do know that it was the other way around, right? Once Edie had no use for Andy financially/career-wise, she dropped him with the idea that Albert Grossman, Bob Dylan's manager, would sign her. I don't exactly see why either of them dropping the other would be so terrible though, it's not like they were close friends or really anything more than publicity seekers in collaboration. Edie's best friend, Chuck Wein, said you would never see the two talking privately or visiting each other's homes as is depicted in Factory Girl. When the press questioned Edie about how long she and Andy would remain a "couple", she said "Who cares?"

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who cares about what took place in factory girl? i'm talking about the books about edie, not a crappy totally fictional film.

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If you were, then you would know that Warhol did not drop Edie as you implied in your post.

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This is just my personal opinion, but I don't think Warhol really cared for anyone but himself. He used Edie, he played with her like a child plays with a toy, or like a cat plays with it's prey. And when he got tired of her, he threw her away and moved on.

I agree with you completely. He was so self-involved that it's hard to imagine him truly caring for anyone but himself. Of course, that's just an opinion, and maybe he really was a loving person, but I just don't think so.

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But keep in mind that he gave Edie fame, in the form of casting her in some of his movies. Edie's true heartbreak came from her family, as well as her substance abuse, more than her association with Andy.

I dont know if Andy really felt deep emotions like 'caring'. He never had any kind of steady lover, at least not one known publicly. His emotional detachment is shown in "The Warhol 60s". In the entire book, there is exactly ONE sentence that ends with an explanation point!

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I suppose in the end of the movie where she died I kinda wanted to see him break down in tears or something but knew that wasn't going to happen.

When Guy Pierce was studying for the role, Brigid Berlin showed him a series of telephone recordings she made, one of which she informs Andy that Edie has died. Pierce said the following:

“He had a number of reactions, the phone conversation goes for five minutes. There were a couple of moments where he’s clearly shocked and stunned by what’s happened. And his very first reaction is to go, ‘Who, what, where, how, why, who?’ And he does an incredible job of evading the actual information. Then there’s a huge long pause – they end up talking about her husband for a while, Michael Post - and then there’s this huge long pause and Andy says, ‘Does he get all the money?’ And then they get back into it again and Brigid’s clearly not happy with that response. Then there’s another big pause after they talk about some other stuff and Andy says, and you can tell he’s about to cry, he says, ‘Gee, I just thought she was going to pull through and get well,’ or something like that. So in typical Warhol fashion, I think he didn’t want to attach to the emotional response and tried to evade.”

Even if Warhol hadn't had any kind of emotional reaction to Edie's death, I would hardly blame him. It had been almost six years since they last saw each other, and they were not any closer emotionally than Edie was with many others during that time (though she expressed a desire to get closer).

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I just watched the DVD and checked out the director's commentary where he mentioned about Pierce listening to those private conversations but without this detail. Is there an interview with Pierce you could link to, please?

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Here you go:

http://movies.about.com/od/factorygirl/a/factorygp012907.htm

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die — and find that there is no death.

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Pearce really nailed the character.

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Child_OfThe_Moon^

Thanks so much for that link to the Guy P. interview.

Very interesting!



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A word of advice to the OP. Don't believe anything you saw in this film..

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A word of advice for everyone here. Your perspective of the characters in the books are just as valid as the film or anything else as a matter of fact. There are heaps of point of views on their relationship, stories and their personalities unless you knew them, its hard to say what truly happen, but this film uses certain events that happened during that time and pieced it together, its called poetic license. It could be the truth you have no idea.

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A word of advice for everyone here. Your perspective of the characters in the books are just as valid as the film or anything else as a matter of fact.

If you've read the biographies on Edie, you will know that there is generally little agenda. Stories are sometimes conflicting, people tell only what they know from experience, and there are few attempts at analysing anything. There's really no poetic license employed as there is with the film. The assertion that one must know someone personally to judge aspects of their lives is flawed since actually knowing someone is no guarantee of understanding them. In a sense, reading accounts from others is a more objective experience because it's possible to consider multiple perspectives.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die — and find that there is no death.

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Yeah but you say it like this film didn't do its research. It obviously did, the story in this is just as valid. Like any of the books written, people would of been interviewed etc quite like the construction of this film.

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^ Hahaha, well if they did research they certainly ignored much of it in favor of creating a more "dramatic" film..

Many people who were actually there have publicly called this film trash.

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I'm curious if you can name one commercial film made in Hollywood based on real events where there AREN'T people that were really there that were up in arms and called the movie trash? I challenge you to name ONE. :)

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Child_OfThe_Moon posts:

"...The assertion that one must know someone personally to judge aspects of their lives is flawed since actually knowing someone is no guarantee of understanding them. In a sense, reading accounts from others is a more objective experience because it's possible to consider multiple perspectives."


Wow!

I just thanked you for the link to the Pearce interview in another comment on this thread and then ran across this very astute analysis by you.

Very well-stated and insightful!

So true, so true...




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Based on what the movie depicted -- and I'm not going to address whether the movie was realistic -- "movie Warhol" (mW) cared a great deal for "movie Edie" (mE), but he was so emotionally stunted that he was unable to feel grief at the loss of their friendship and later her death.

The early scenes of them spending time together obsessively, being wrapped up in each other, show that there was a deep connection -- almost a non-romantic, all-encompassing infatuation -- between mW and mE. Just because he couldn't grieve her loss doesn't mean he didn't feel connected to her. With the exception of psychopaths, everyone -- even emotionally damaged people -- crave connection; unfortunately, they aren't any good at the give-and-take required by healthy/mature relationships, and they aren't able to cope with any of the taxing emotions (disappointment, frustration, anger, grief).

So, yes, mW felt a great deal for mE; couldn't handle feeling rejected as her focus shifted slightly away from him and onto Billy; dropped her; and compartmentalized such that he seemed to discard any feelings he'd had for her. By the time she died, he thought of her as a marginal person in his life (rather than re-feel grief at the dissolution of their friendship, feel regret or even self-recrimination at how badly he'd treated her).

Again, the above is about mW and mE, based on what the filmmaker and actors showed us. That said, what I know about AW suggests that he was an emotional cripple who couldn't let people in, couldn't cope with the emotional demands of partner relationships and true friendship.

"All you need to start an asylum is an empty room and the right kind of people."

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Not a stupid question at all, and a very relevant one.

Did Warhol care about Edie Sedgwick? Probably in so far as it could get him somewhere. He saw her as incredibly privileged but too simple to actually make anything of herself. So he saw an opportunity to get what he wanted out of her but at the same time to give her what she always wanted; to be famous...just for the sake of it.

I think Warhol gave people what they were looking for; warts and all. I believe Warhol despised famous people; or was at least incredibly indifferent to them, and he played with them for his own amusement. He would give them what they wanted and then step away and watch the show play out; come what may.

Warhol saw vulnerability and used it to his advantage. He could even see Dylan's vulnerability and called him on it in that wonderful scene between the two.

Dylan needs to be directed because he can't think of anything to say for himself; and Dylan's way of masking that is to be arrogant and put Warhol down. Essentially through doing nothing but putting a camera on Dylan and asking him to just say whatever, we see what Dylan really is; without all the bells and whistles of fame and interviewers creating a stage for Dylan to act upon. Warhol says, "here's your stage; it's a chair and a camera...what have you got? Let's see who you really are".

In that wonderful scene you see Warhol command the room; he's telling Dylan that he sees him for what he is and doesn't back down; it's Dylan that founders in that scene, not Warhol, because Warhol accepts himself for who he is, where as he is surrounded by people who don't, and seek out fame to validate themselves.

In a way, Warhol's canvass was people; he liked to strip people back to the bare bones and watch the show that ensued.

Sorry, went a little of topic there, but Warhol was a fascinating creature.

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