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You've got my attention


Okay, As a TV Journalist and WW2 nut you've managed to get my attention.

Now, Don't screw it up. lol...Impress me.

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Ahhh well, I think i'm seeing whaere this is going... anybody remember that horrible movie about pearl harbor??? that was suppose to be agood movie, about one of the most rememberable battles in ww2, and one of the saddest too, just like this one, but when you focus on love storys with these things, they can most likly go one way, DOWN!!!

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At least they're warning us ahead of time that it's a love story in the midst of WWII. Give us time to adapt...:P

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I prefer to see a movie before I criticize it. There is no connection between the movie Pearl Harbor and the movie Leningrad. Judge it on its own merits or faults. Whether a movie is good or bad has nothing to do with the setting; it has everything to do with the quality and character of the story and the execution of it. I, for one, look forward to seeing this movie.

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All my grandparents are natives of Leningrad/St. Petersburg. I hope, for their sake that this movie is well made. Ihope that just because the Nazis were evil and sadistic beyond belief that the movie makers don't soften the blow against Stalin's Communist regime, which, in almost every way, was just as bad. I got that feeling a little with "Enemy at the Gates." Oh, well. At least this one's being made by a Russian, so he knows what he's talking about.

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I hope they don't vilify Russians more than they villify the Americans. I hope the American idiots are brainy enough to discern anti-communism and anti-semitism and which one is worse.

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Well, I don`t know which one is worse, I just hope it won`t be some export variation of Soviet history, where leningrad natives are pitiful little barbarians taught by the brave american, sorry english, woman how not to starve to death and have faith. I don`t want to say it couldn`t be like this in real life. Everything could happen. I just have a suspition that Russians know better than western people how not to starve to death and have faith. That`s all.
And I have some doubts about the director, I never heard of him

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"I hope they don't villify the Germans any more than they villify the Russians."

What a stupid thing to say.

Boy yea, I hope they paint the those Leningrad citizens, hundreds of thousands of whom starved to death, as the evil monsters they were and treat those righteous Nazis invaders like the heros they were for raping and murdering all those Soviet citizens.

Do you even know anything about the Leningrad seige or the war on the Eastern Front?

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according to the director, Stalin allowed the siege to happen, and didn't do much about it, because he didn't like Leningrad. perhaps he and his administration are the Russians that people think should be vilified, as opposed to vilifying the citizens of Leningrad


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And what does Stalin and/or his regime have to do with the Leningrad seige? The Leningrad seige has nothing to do with communism. Rather it concerns the magnificent courage and strength of the Russian people. One need not confuse the crimes of communism (or the West's anti-communist hysteria) with the sacrifice the Russian people made in the second world war. 20-22 million in case anyone forgot.

Enemy at the Gates? Did you see the same movie I saw? This was the movie that implied the only reason Russians fought the Nazis was because they feared being shot by their commissars. It was basically a Hollywood rendition of a sniper/love film simplified and candy-coated for American audiences.

If anyone wants to see a great film on the war in the East watch "Idi i Smotri" (Come and See).

As for Leningrad, we'll see. The one poster was right, it's too early to judge considering it hasn't even been made yet!

By the way, I thought Pearl Bomber was an insult to all those who died in the attacks.

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Jared

You are right.

I agree with your whole statement.

Indeed, people in Leningrad faced the enemy from the North and from the South, the only route out of the city onto free soil was across Lake Ladoga, and this could only be crossed by truck in the Winter. It became known as the "Road of Life". Many people do not know this, and I am hoping they minimize the "love story" that has little to do with the Siege.

Factory Workers made Sub-Machineguns out of scrap metal under German artillery fire. Local men and sailors volunteered for the Army and fought in the front lines keeping the Germans/Finns away from the city. Women organized Fire Brigades that would locate German bombs and prevent fires from spreading.

Those too old/young to fight drove trucks across the ice, which was no less dangerous under German bomber raids and Finnish artillery attacks.

Some people think "Hollywood" versions of history are "factual" because they do not know the real history.

"Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the Kalashnikov!"

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What does Stalin have to do with the Leningrad siege? Much of the civilian casualties in the war were due to Stalin's inability to act. And when he finally did get around to issuing an order - especially evacuation orders - it was often too late to save the people affected.

Enemy at the Gates failed in explaining that the unit at the onset of the film was a prison battalion, which were "encouraged" into battle by guns at their backs and explains why they were locked in their train. Those units did exist. However, it makes absolutely no sense that the film's hero is mixed in with one.

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Is Gabriel Byrne Mira Sorvino's love interest??? Cause if he is all thought of watching this movie goes down the drain..
A fifty something ugly man and a youg 25 something young woman???? UGH!!
SPARE ME THE PAIN!!

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Pardon me, not twentyfive something.......39 something....she looks about 32 though........
I still think it is revolting..

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If you ask me, any war movie in which the lead role is a female just isn't really a war movie. Not to blame anyone or the director, I just wouldn't get my hopes up too much.

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Stalin's inability to act meaning...what? 20 million people died because Stalin didn't act? What kind of actions would have saved those people? Evacuations of millions and millions of people in what...the first week of the war? Do you even think the US of A could accomplish that tomorrow circa 2006? We couldn't even get even handle a hurricane in one city, let alone the largest military land invasion in human history.

I'd suggest actually reading some scholarly research on the war not written by Stephen Ambrose (or some crap program you've seen on the history channel) - like Michael Haynes or Mark Harrison for instance. I'd stay away from the Cold War drivel - blaming the Russians for their own causalties is pretty stupid.

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If Stalin hadn't signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and assumed Germany would stick to it, he wouldn't have been caught with his pants down, and would have been able to respond to Operation Barbarossa more quickly.

Khrushchev's secret speech mentions that Churchill (among others) had given Stalin plenty of warning. I provide the following quote from the speech:

"Documents which have now been published show that [as early as] April 3, 1941 Churchill, through his ambassador to the USSR, [Sir Stafford] Cripps, personally warned Stalin that the Germans had begun regrouping their armed units with the intent of attacking the Soviet Union.

It is self-evident that Churchill did not do this at all because of his friendly feeling toward the Soviet nation. He had in this his own imperialistic goals -- to bring Germany and the USSR into a bloody war and thereby to strengthen the position of the British Empire.

All the same, Churchill affirmed in his writings that he sought to "warn Stalin and call his attention to the danger which threatened him." Churchill stressed this repeatedly in his dispatches of April 18 and on the following days. However, Stalin took no heed of these warnings. What is more, Stalin ordered that no credence be given to information of this sort, so as not to provoke the initiation of military operations."


Stalin should probably be blamed for about half of the deaths suffered by the peoples of the USSR, due to his inept handling of the Great Patriotic War.

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I'm not a fan of the History Channel and I am absolutely not talking about evacuating millions of people in a week. That is just ludicrous.

Firstly, Stalin ignored every single sign given to him that the Germans were ready to invade. When the tank engines of your neighbor's army are keeping your people up at night, their reconnaisance aicraft are constantly overflying your territory uncontested, and diplomats from around the world are waving and pointing in warning, maybe it's time to listen.

Secondly, Stalin had far more than a week. The circle closed around Leningrad in late August. From the start of hostilities on June 22nd to Mga falling (the last rail line) there was a good 2+ months. He had plenty of time to move industry to the east. But what about the people? He left the people to die. He did it repeatedly throughout the war, from the Baltic states (where he had time to evacuate by sea) to Leningrad itself. But he hesitated and wasted the precious time these people had.

And to correct you, the largest military land invasion was the Soviet counterattack on Germany and, as a goal, Berlin. More troops were amassed against that single city than than all of the German forces involved in Barbarossa.

For reading, I tend to go more for narrative books based on people's experiences (the human cost of war). Amongst the books I've read on the subject are:
* The 900 Days: The Siege of Leningrad (Harrison Salisbury)
* The Fall of Berlin (Read and Fisher)
* The Fall of Berlin (Antony Beevor)
* Stalingrad (Antony Beevor)
* When Titans Clashed: How the Red Army Stopped Hitler (David Glantz)
* Panzerkrieg (McCarthy and Simon)
* Rising '44: The Battle for Warsaw (Norman Davies)
* The Gulag Archipelago (Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)

I will take a look for Michael Haynes and Mark Harrison. Harrison's books appear to be more statistical studies. For Haynes, I've only seen "A Century Of State Murder?: Death and Policy in Twentieth Century Russia". If you could recommend some of their books, I'd appreciate it.

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Stalin and his regime have a lot to do with the Siege of Leningrad. Stalin left his people completely unprepared for war with the Nazis and the officials at Smolny in Leningrad were enjoying air-imported delicacies while the rest of the city starved. I am NOT minimizing the suffering of the people. I am saying that the heroic people of Leningrad had just emerged from the tyranny of Stalin's purges when siege began and after the war Leningrad underwent another purge in 1947-48. Stalin hated Leningrad because that city was a symbol of a revolution in which he had played a very minor role. Stalin felt the greater revolution was the one he initiated in the late-1920s/early-1930s, namely collectivization and industrialization. He hated the Leningrad party leadership and purged them mercilessly and then he abandoned the city to the Germans for over three years. You're talking to a Leningrader/Petersburger here. Also, as someone who is a descendent of four Blokadniki, I would have to argue that the Siege had a definite underbelly. Yes, there was unparalleled heroism and the Soviet people triumphed over great odds, but it would be a disservice to those who died to ignore the fact that cannibalism, theft and murder also existed during the Siege. We must take the heroism with the cowardice if we are to truly respect history.

As far as Enemy at the Gates, we're on the same page. As I said in my previous post, it was a very weak movie made by westerners for a western audience, completely lacking any understanding of the Soviet reality.

Idi i smotri is a very powerful film; one of the most powerful about Nazi atrocities.

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