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Another rape of history


I had high expectations of this movie, I was hoping to would be Russian version of the German made movie Stalingrad (1993) which did a superb job in capturing the emotions, cold feeling and overall brutality. But alas I was wrong.
You can easily compare this movie to Enemy at the Gates in their way of insultingly portray one of the most brutal events in the history of mankind.

Let me give you a clear view to why I'm so frustrated. Here we have the most destructive siege in mankind where thousands of people died daily on the streets because of starvation. If someone is making a movie about it, even bearing title LENINGRAD, telling us it's going to be more then serious. I really cant stress this line well enough It was the most destructive siege in the history of mankind . Instead about 60% ( if not more ) were focused around the plot of the damn English woman and her personal problems which were barely related to the horrors of Leningrad. From time to time we see small 2 second shots of some people lying in the snow just to show us that there are actually people dying in this movie before the camera once again returns to focus on the damn English woman, it certainly did not capture any feeling whatsoever to the viewers. But thankfully we have some people SPEAKING in the background about how the food supply is being further shortened every now and then (yes you really capture our emotions with this one Aleksandr Buravsky good job). I got more emotions from watching The Pianist, and let me remind that compared to the Leningrad, the Warsaw Ghetto would look like a *beep* square dance.

What else? the constant changing scenes from England to Moscow just to detail a little bit further about the English woman (my point is, I didn't feel Leningrad was the focus at all during the entire movie).
Oh and I almost forgot the damn Hollywood cliche subplot about "The good German in the overall very evil nazi army" pilot.
All this with the combination of poor writing, damn over dramatic ( the early Pearl Harbor wannabe scene with German fighter bombers unloading everything they got on a small lonely vehicle out in the open for example).

When the hell will we see a modern movie about the east front that actually tries to portray it for what it was ...

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There's no real interest in making films about the eastern front that portray it as it was. Most people are happy to buy into the myth that Europe was liberated by the western allies and completely overlook the Soviet contribution to WWII.
Unfortunately these people are also Hollywood's customers, so there's little profit to be made in making a film that portrays the Soviets in a favourable light, particularly since the US spent so long convincing its population that the USSR was the work of Satan.

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An accurate film about the Eastern front would damage the reputation of the U.S.S.R. even more- the number of Soviet subjects that fought against the U.S.S.R. and the way the Soviet political and military command treated their subjects, civilian and military, couldn't be portrayed.

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Maybe you should check out "Brestskaya krepost" (aka Fortress of War/Brest Fortress) which details the 9 days defense of the fortress at, you guessed it, Brest at the outbreak of Barbarossa in June 1941.

Unsurprisingly it's a Russian (or Belarussian) production. This is the only "modern" film I know of that realistically portrays the sheer brutality on the Eastern Front.

"Defiance" wasn't bad, but in the end full of your typical Hollywood cliches, but there are two oldish Soviet movies that tell the partisans' story, "Voskhozhdeniye" (aka The Ascent) which deals with collaboration and betrayal, and perhaps more notably Elem Klimov's last ever film "Idi I Smotri" aka Come and See; the latter is by far the most savagely brutal and sickeningly nauseating WWII movie ever made. A must see for anyone interested in the most murderous and horrific savagery ever committed by mankind.

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I was just about to log in and make the exact same suggestions. For every eastern front film there must something like 10 western front ones... talk about "history is written by the winners". I mean Soviets did have 20something million casualties...Whatever you think of them they damn well deserve your respect/attention... Most ww2 movies are unfortunately filled with west propaganda

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So I suppose the whole story about the two children starving and the mother being forced to choose one to favour and one to neglect just so that one of them will survive -- that's not related to the siege at all, right? That's just stupid Hollywood fluff. And neither is the actress selling all her personal belongings to buy food on the black market. After all she's an actress! There were no glamourous opera singers in Leningrad, what a contrivance!

True, the movie focuses a lot on the Englishwoman, but I see that as an opportunity for the Russian filmmaker to take a jab at the NKVD and the Soviet culture. At the end, when the one officer says "our real enemy is approaching Moscow and strangling Leningrad, and here we are as usual playing this stupid games!" - that served an important thematic purpose.

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Oftentimes I don't understand why imdb.com posters bother to watch movies. They just get their undies twisted into knots over inaccuracies and the fact that in a movie you need drama; you need individuals with whom the audience can identify. You need a protagonist, an antagonist or two, and a plot that holds the interest of the audience.

Clearly, most of the posters here have no interest in the actual telling of a story through cinema. So please, watch only documentaries. Believe me, you'll be much happier.

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you and I clearly didn't watch the same movie

the one I saw had very little of England in it, and had extended shots of people dying in the streets, cutting flesh off of a live horse, cannibalizing dead humans, etc.


Surreal Cinema: http://www.imdb.com/list/ls006574276/

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Enemy at the gates was about as accurate as you can expect a cinematic portrayal and not a documentary to be. The guns were Makarovs and Nagants. The Soviets did use brutal human wave tactics and there was a lot of backstabbing between the military and the intelligence people. (Same as the Nazi in that regard).
Some of the uniforms, planes and guns weren't exactly right on the German side IIRC. That movie had a story arc, compelling characters and well, a plot.

Leningrad had some very compelling visuals, and some good parts here and there. But overall it was a poor movie with a disjointed story that meanders.I felt like I was watching a very good Hong Kong movie sometimes! It is unfortunate that it takes as it's topic such a grave event of WWII.

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I haven't seen the movie but I can bet the mortgage on one thing .... The movie made no mention of a GREATER brutal event in the history of mankind .... Stalin's starving to death of 20 million Ukrainians only a decade prior to the siege of Leningrad. BTW, I even read that Stalin practically supported the siege due to his growing paranoia that the Mayor of Leningrad was on the outs with him.

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Talk about silly ... why on earth would a film about the siege of Leningrad mention the starvation of Ukrainians? Yes you can bet the mortgage on that one ... nor did they discuss the Japanese bombing of Darwin or the invention of the cotton gin.

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The OP was clearly on drugs. There's perhaps one cut-a-way in the whole film to "England", where we meet Kate's parents and find out about her background. The film goes out of its way to show that Stalinist Russia wasn't a particularly great place to live in, but seriously starvation of Ukrainians in a film about the siege of Leningrad? And all Germans were evil and agreed with Hitler's plans.? Just a ridiculous emotive thread title, by a very inattentive OP.🐭

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