i have this crazy idea that nachi could actually be ginkaku. i mean , when azumi was like dreaming of nachi and she kept saying his name, ginkaku was all "you know who i am?", and that made me thought for a while.... it would have been better if he really was alive. what do you think..?
NACHI & GINKAKU is 1 and same person..this was affirmed with that "you know who i am?" scenes..if you can still recall in the first part of Azumi, how Azumi presumably killed Nachi??? it was a sword slash in the stomach right? well, in the "you know who i am?" scenes, when Ginkaku took off his upper clothe, remember the bandage in his stomach? that's it! the question now is how did Natchi survived to become Ginkaku? mmmm..it could have been more of a reliving factor if Natchi/Ginkaku lived..tsk..tsk..tsk..
sharegawd! i am so stupid! i never figured that out. i hope there's one more sequel... and that nachi'll appear as nachi in there.
If they are the same person, i wonder how he survived the funeral :)
Martin
Also... Although the cut onto his stomach maybe the same one Nachi got, you must remember that in Azumi 2 takes place TWO YEARS after the first one. As you see in A2, the wound is still bandaged and still bleeding. I'm pretty sure after 2 years he would've healed a bit more. And there is the issue of him being burried.
shareThat's a bit strange, indeed.
But then again, who have told you that the movie takes place 2 year after the first!?
I didn't see that in the movie ... I know that Azumi 2 was released 2 afters Azumi but that doesn't imply there's a 2 year break in the story ...
The mission was everything Azumi had in mind, what would make her go on a 2 year holiday break!?
Taken from themoviebox.net:
"Azumi 2: Death or Love' is the tale of Azumi, a young woman trained from childhood to be the ultimate assassin.
Azumi 2, which picks up shortly after the events of the first Azumi, is set around the beginning of the Tokugawa period of Japan (1603 - 1867)."
Above all that, Shun Oguri plays Nachi in Azumi and Ginkaku in Azumi 2!!!
I know this has already been said but - she buried him right? How could he possibly have survived that? I mean it's not like he even had a coffin or anything it would have just been dirt. And surely Azumi would have noticed his pulse or him breathing? I mean she's not stupid!
shareI kinda figured the 'bandage' was just one of the many different types of traditional body wrap worn under his clothes.
After she says 'Nachi' he says 'It's me. Do you know who I am?'... if he was implying he's Nachi I presume he would've said something more like 'Yes, it's me Nachi'
Depends how optimistic you are I guess.
But I agree with whoever said it couldn't get any worse than killing him twice.. be he Nachi or not, twice losing the guy whose face most resembles love for her is extremely depressing.
'It's me. Do you know who I am?' that quote probably just shows he's worried and wonder if she is still thinking straight with a question to see if she's ok.......just a theory, since common sense is people make sure people are dead before burying, and for the bandages, many Japanese people have that kind of style, especially with free wandering people like Gingaku
shareyou guys are all wrong, nachi is just an asian pear ;-)
shareIf Nachi was Ginkaku, would it have been likely that at the begining of Azumi, Nachi knew what was going to happen, so had a bag of blood, to make it look as if he was cut, like his companion in the bar in Azumi 2, who people thought had been cut but was faking death?
sharedamn, is it so hard to see that ginkaku is NOT nachi???
WHATEVER you say, this fact is proof ENOUGH to make everything clear: nachi was buried among the others who died at the beginning of azumi 1.
As someone said earlier, no one is stupid enough to bury a person who may still be alive...
I still think that Azumi 2 is retarted and can't touch Kitamura's Azumi. Now I am still trying to figure out if Ginkaku is really Nachi (which if revealed would have made the story a tiny bit better). Ginkaku had a white patch in his hair which most people who have been in an emotional trama get sometimes. Maybe being sliced by the one you love could cause this. Which Ginkaku did have the cut and looked like a dead ringer for Nachi. So what is the deal?!?
sharewhen people make a motion picture, they have to make sure THEIR story is conveyed to the viewer as clearly as possible...of course you have the ''is it so or is it not'' thing, but both sides are usually shown CLEARLY then too, as in the Nachi/Gingaku thing... small hints that can hardly be called hints, don't count, and opposite, if something's being hinted at at a rate where ''even a baby could notice'' it is usually so.
face it, movies aren't being made for the super-intelligent people alone.
And how things appear in french or english counts way less than how it's said in Japanese this time, so I guess the real meaning behind ''it's me. Do you know who I am?'' is most clear from the japanese sentence. Sadly, I don't speak japanese. Anyways, if Gin merely wanted to check if she was ok, it wouldn't have been a hint like this in the first place. Had he been Nachi's brother, you'd see a clear hint. Had he had a blood bag, you'd see him strap it on or something. Sure, things might be less ''straightforward'' in non-hollywood movies, but not THAT far out. Storytelling is and will always be storytelling.
Also, there might be hard-to-see hints in the movie which aren't clear unless you know japanese symbols in and out...
Ginkaku isn't Nachi - he's just suppose to remind Azumi of her lost love, that there is something else to life apart from the mission and thus she must to choose between them - hence the subtitle, Death or Love.
As for the timeframe, I haven't read the manga, but it looks like the second film follows on almost directly from the first.
although she didnt get to choose, phinn. ginkaku didnt give her a choice between love and the mission when he got himself killed :)
and of course ginkaku isnt nachi lol
nachi got slashed up and buried. it was just a plot device that someone would look like him because nachi is azumi's only true love. cant bring back the popular character? doppelganger/brother/enemy lookalikes!!! superb *groan*
also, the bandage ginkaku wore i thought was japanese traditional dress, and the blood was from the wound he had just received in the lower back. maybe the weapon came through his stomach a little, maybe its just because bandages are absorbant and if you bled long enough youd find out that you have more than enough blood in your body to ensure that ALL your clothes would be bloodstained
cant wait for azumi falling in love with zombie nachi/ginkaku in azumi 3
it could be nachi, if she really loved him it wouldn't have been exactly easy to kill him, she might hve given him a non-fatal wound but that still makes the burial thing a little hrd to just forget
shareI thought Ginkaku is Nachi's brother. They're supposed to be orphans, so perhaps Ginkaku and Nachi were separated when their parents were killed.
shareGin is not Nachi. Gin's purpose is not physical, but rather an allusion to Nachi. He is there as a reminder to Azumi and device to further expose us, the audience, to Azumi's relationship with him. It's not supposed to be that he is literally him.
The nightmare begins soon.
Ginkaku is Nachi.... omg It's so simple he says: "Tu sais qui je suis???!!!" French for: You know who I am??!!! It's obvious that it's him with the bandage and everything. Don't think too much about the events in this movie. Just look at the end of Azumi when she (out of nowhere) jumps on the boat which is in the sea... It's not logical but do we care??? lol. Just enjoy the movie and it's pretty obvious that he is the same person.
Sorry about my english, I'm Québécois (French-Canadian)
He IS Ginkaku.
He even admits it when he comes to her when she's lying on the floor and she calls him Nachi. That's why he has the bandage around his stomach, too.
i have to admit i was not sure if ginkaku was nachi. after reading all your arguments i am convinced that they are one and the same. the only problem everyone here seems to have is trying to figure out HOW that can be or cant be. dont try to figure it out. it has not been revealed to us yet. perhaps in AZUMI 3, if there is one. i can only give a "WHAT IF" and i hate what ifs. WHAT IF nachi had made some sort of deal with a "higher being" or a creature of magic to preserve his life in exchange for (something?). that could mean that he is still not dead. he could be seen breathing after all, either a mistake in the movie or a HINT.
sharehttp://www.shusuke-kaneko.com/eng/azumip01.htm
Not even Shun Oguri can't answer this question as so many of us are wondering.
After reading what he said about the Nachi and Ginkaku Characters I'm going to say that they were different, although you can still wonder.
If Azumi 3 comes out, I really hope Nachi survives somehow. In the first movie, I'm almost positive he allowed Azumi to win. He sacrificed his own life so Azumi could grow and move on. The battle was very quick and Nachi's Skills were to be on par with Azumi's.
Hopefully he stopped his heartbeat and his wound from his stomach heals for a third installment ;)