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The professeur's speech on coincidence and fate


I thought it was fascinating, and would love a copy of that speech. Would anyone have access to the script or this scene? Thank you.

Great film BTW, highly recommended.

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would it be ok in French?

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Most definitely! I speak French. Thank you so much!

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The speech sets up a false antithesis between coincidence (otherwise known as chance) and fate (aka destiny). The prof says that we must believe in the latter because the former reduces us to the level of animals.

Crap. What shapes our lives is a combination of chance and choice. The prof leaves out choice. Some things just happen to us by chance (your parents, accidents, your height, etc). Some things happen because of the choices that we make ourselves (career path, friends, industry/laziness, drugs/not, etc). As a Humanist, I think that the way to a fulfilling life is to make the best of the choices open to you within the constraints that chance has imposed on you.

The idea that there is some kind of fate or destiny that lays down the path that you must follow is just baloney. It encourages people not to take responsibility for their own actions (their choices) and that is deplorable, in my opinion. There is no fate.

The prof was another bad man in the film (were there any good ones?). He is cheating on his wife and seducing his students. His speech is bad philosophy which is supposed to absolve him of responsibility for his wicked deeds. Don't listen to him! He is a bad man spouting bad philosophy.

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Perhaps there are many paths to ones destiny? or possibly one may experience several lives towards that same end. Our choices may just be part of our direction and may dictate the time it takes to arrive at our destiny. One thing is for sure and that is every action has a consequence.

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There is no 'destiny'. That is a superstitious notion left over from ancient cultures which had only a shaky grasp of how the world works.

Of course, you are going to grow old and die (unless they invent Vonnegut's 'gerasol' to prolong life indefinitely, but that does not look too likely at present). That path (growing old and dying) does lie before us all, but it specifies so little in terms of how we spend our lives that it is not worth giving the title of 'destiny'.

Are you afraid to take responsibility for your own life? Do you need to blame someone or something else for everything that happens to you? Surely you can make some decisions in your own life, even if it is only the decision not to have three burgers at one sitting every time?

If you like classic literature, you may enjoy an essay about free will which starts out as a response to Chaucer's story of the cock and the hen, 'The Nun's Priest's Tale' from the Canterbury Tales. You will find it at http://www.humanists.net/belfast/review%20chaucer.htm

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ha, the professors character is based on a real person - he was Tanovic's very dear proffesor, and mine too :)

he actually wasn't talking about how one's life should be arranged, or wheather we should believe in faith or coincidence. he was describing the only world, or a point of view, that ALLOWS tragedy to happen (strictly in an ancient-greek sence of the word). sure we believe in coincidence - we're modern people. but tragedy asks for a presence of faith and external, higher cause. it is one of the main subjects of the movie - possibility of tragedy in modern world. the question about "Medeia" witch Anne is answering is also taken from his lectures :)

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This is extremely interesting. Does this mean that the "Medea" reference (and subtext) was not in the original screenplay (before Tanovic put his hand on it) and, therefore, not Piesewicz and Kieslowski's idea? Would you happen to know?

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ok, as far as i know, the credits for original story goes to P&K, as well as the "Medea" rererence. Danis has cut large portions of screenplay to make the story and characters less predictable and avoid stereotipes. but the professors speach is Danises intervention, as well as some of the lines, mostly about tragedy and Medeia and that novel of Mesa Selimovic that appears in the movie. that's what i konow, well i'm sure of... :)

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Medea was not in the original screenplay. Original screenplay had 60 pages.
Tanovic put Medea story, made up a sceen where student comes to her professor's house and a few more things...

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but dado, wasn't the story about three sisters and mother - the original story... and father being killed?

i said the original script was changed... things cut and added...

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Medea speech was unecessary spelling out.

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SPOILERS BELOW:


The irony is that the professor's death was reported as accidental when in fact it was not. Why did he choose to return to the Acropolis? Even his daughter questions this. My sense was that his accident was a suicide.

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