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The opposite of Micheal Moore


I'd like every user of this forum could see this movie, in particular the American and foreign audience. I can assure you it is the opposite of Micheal Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11": because it IS political, but it's not a movie about or against Silvio Berlusconi. It's about OUR crisis and lack of values. For this reason above all, what's most impressive are the final scenes of the film: the director Nanni Moretti imagines the end of Silvio Berlusconi. But it's not a liberation at all... We'll have to face our cultural, political and social ruins, after that our people have been split in two for 12 years: "Communists" and "Berluscones", like a useless and fictional role play that helps only who's got power (in both the formations) and wants to preserve it. We are not used to dialogue anymore, the respect for the political rival is lost. Then why should we exult?
Berlusconi is our mirror. It's our fault if we've lost the sense and respect for State and Institutions, and even for each other. That's why the main character of the film is a common person, an Italian movie producer, whose divorce and professional crisis will help to represent our social disease. A Country's illness interlaced to our everyday lack of conscience. In our relationships. In our job. Are we still aware of our actions? Are loyalty and passion for life (political and not) still important to us?
This is why this movie is so different from Micheal Moore's one, it's not an electioneering documentary. I think American and foreign people in general could appreciate that what's underlined is the importance of our little everyday choices. If we won't have care of them, we'll face a bitter future.

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I haven't seen the film yet and don't know when I'll be able to see it (no distribution deal for Britain yet, where I live). I hope to catch it during my next holiday to Italy. However, I've always been a fan of Moretti (whom I briefly met a few years ago) and his films. What you forget though, is that Italy has ALWAYS been divided in two (World War II: fascists/partisans; the "lead years" of the 70's and 80's: Red Brigades/New Order and the other right-wing terrrorist cells, etc).
You say "we've lost the sense and respect for State and Institutions". When did we ever have a sense of respect for State and Institutions? Never. Italians are never taught any civic sense, it's all about looking after our own interests only, "everyone for himself". That's why Berlusconi thrived in Italy. All the Italians who voted for him (and I may have met a couple) are people who are exactly like him or would like to be. "Why should a little thing like respecting the law prevent me from making money?" is the prevailing thought of a lot of Italians, the Berluscones, infact. Taxes? No one in Italy wants to pay taxes, but still they demand free or inexpensive services. It doesn't occur to them that you can't have it both ways. The British are more civilised in that respect but privatisation accompanied by the greed of the corporations is bringing selfishness to Britain too. It's no longer about services but about making money. When I first moved to Britain, I used to think: "will Italy ever raise to the British standard?". I now think that Britain is falling to the Italian standard. On a day-to-day basis, I'm an optimistic person, but in the big picture sense, this world-wide embrace of totalitarian values has definitely made me a pessimist. As in Moretti's "Dear Diary" quote (while travelling on his vespa around Rome), I may believe in individuals but I certainly don't believe in humanity as a whole and will always be part of a minority.

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It is the opposite of F9/11 indeed. While Moore addressed the common people and tried to expose the lies, recklessness and hidden agenda of the Bush administration, Moretti addresses a different audience, the many that were conscious of what Berlusconi was -- or said they were -- but were to lazy or self-absorb to do anything.
In that bitter assessment of failure, Moretti actually blames his fellow Italians for not being Moore/Teresa or not listening to them. Teresa is the only one who really cares about what Berlusconi did to Italy. She's the one inspiring this awakening in the main character's mind.
Is this movie what will make Italians aware of the importance of their choices? Certainly not on a wide-scale.
Not to mention that political and social backgrounds are very different in Italy and the U.S. Barely comparable. So are the movies of an independent left.

Don't feed the hand that bites.

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I mainly agree with you, I just used the same rethoric as the original poster to show that it was in opposition with this convergence.
Although I must say that I sensed a deliberate attempt not to do a Moore-like political work in "The Caiman" and maybe even an underlying contempt for it. The anti-Moore comment aside, the original poster is right about what this movie is and what it is about. And as he/she said it's not a movie about Berlusconi.

Don't feed the hand that bites.

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Hum...Michael Moore is a street-smart arse who has found a perfect niche in the market as a "anti-bush era" crusader - i.e., not more than a phony. Moretti, on the other hand, is a brilliant director who never fails to address complex issues in a very intelligent manner - you can't even compare them. Like comparing Charles Band with Gianni Amelio...

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Just like somebody else said before, Italy has been divided in 2 since the end of the war.

I am not a berluscones but I always refused to vote for the left in Italy. Which coalition in the modern countries has still to confront itself with 2 communist parties and a green one that is even worse? these people don't want Italy to be part of the NATO, they don't want to build new roads, new railways. They just enjoy going on the streets lighting candles at best, singing songs against the west, doesn't matter if it's represented by Bush or by whom. Berluscones never threw molotov bombs, while no global did, and many times. Even if he represents many things that I hate of the Italian Left, first of all the capacity to manipulate everything (reality, truth, history, present, people etc...), I still confess that I like Moretti movies, because he's a clever and sharp guy, that still make you use your brain, even if in fact maybe he wouldn't like you to use it, as the Italian Left has always done.

Berlsuconi is a political anomaly, as many people say, but having people like Caruso elected in the parliament isn't worse? People that spit on Italian values, or against our dead in Iraq, how can they represent anybody in The parliament? And these people, like Diliberto, Rizzo, Cento and many others make the country ridicolous in the international scenario, much more than the bandana wore by Berlsuconi.

BTW, I always paid my taxes and don't want to be like Berlusconi, even if confess that having just an infinitesimal part of his money would be fine. I hope next elections the centre right will have another leader. Or that all this anti-italian and anti-western people will leave Italy, I have some good place for them, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, Cuba is too easy!

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First of all, Quetzal, with a name like yours I would have expected completely different opinions, but that's fine, that's the variety of humans...:)
Let me tell you that what you said about the Italian left is completely ludicrous, and very stereotyped. Of course we (me and you) live in the same country and face the same problem during the very same days, but if you really think that the left doesn't want roads, and railways, and whatever you say, well, it makes me think that you don't really want to discuss, and maybe open your mind to what's distant from your point of view. That's the problem of Italy right now, I think, people tend to treat political matters with the same passion normally reserved for football.
That's only my 2 cents, feel free to discuss with me:)

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Berlusconi is a clown with criminal tendencies. What are we talking about? On the contrary, the main character in "Il Caimano" represents an earnst, although develish, right wing politician. "Il Caimano" is too little Italian in his seriousness. On the contrary, Berlusconi is the typical "Macaroni" - in life as well as in political life.
Both of them destroy Italy. Alas, the real one of them is doing it by laughing and joking like a jester, and this is a yet worst thing.

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Who knew Michael Moore only made one documentary?
Grow up.

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