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2 Reasons Why Kids Are Bad


1) The parents either had the kids too young or too old.

2) They all have stupid, made up, trying-to-be-hip new millennium names, such as:

Brycie, Rylen, Caden, Alaia, Ashlyn, Jadyn, Meya, Selia, Hallden, Broden, Maile, Leighton, Diesel, Riley, Kassiah, Hayden, McKenna, Myca, Aiden, Ari, Khalin, Kolben, Hagan, Moriah, Irelyn, River, Caila, Devante, Farley, Daly, Brenna, Chaslyn, Corban, Addison, and Bryson

^ Courtesy of Wikipedia

I mean, I'd be pissed off if my name was weird, too!

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I love some of those names. I really don't think that is entirely the problem at all. It is mostly lazy parenting and overindulging children and not staying firm.



Ouch: First word spoken by children with older siblings.

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the kids are SPOILED!!!!! and the parents are too complacent.

Mandiluv

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Most of the families on the show have way too many kids. These people would be having a hard time raising one child, but for some reason they decided to have 3 or more. And they have them too close together.

Often, you get the impression that one or both wasn't even all that interested in being a parent. So you have lazy and/or uninterested parents, and a house full of spoiled kids.

Jo must be a saint, I don't think I could not take a belt to some of the brats (and their parents) on the show!


"Rock is dead! Long live Paper and Scissors!"

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As Ellen Degeneres very eloquently said during a stand-up: "the world is overpopulated with the wrong kind of people".

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Well, it depends on what is meant as bad.
You got some people who act like a BABY that is crying is bad, when that's the only way they can communicate.
As for children throwing tantrums, they can't talk for the most part, toddlers. Or express themselves like adults. So they melt down. They get tired. I'm an adult and after a day of work or running around in Boston I'm ready to throw a tantrum myself.

But you have a point... Folks name their kids ridiculous things, but I am one to talk with my name no one can pronounce right.

He said,
"Just put your feet down child,
'Cause you're all grown up now."

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I am with you on the first one, but I can't agree with you on the second one (and I have a christian name, so that's not the reason...)

and I notice that there are no "names of African heritage" there (which, let's face it, are just as made up as the names you mentioned) Shanequa, Princess, Deb-orah, ... the kids named these names are just as bratty (I should know, I have thaught all of them...)

I think the second one should be: These parents are TOO BUSY EITHER WANTING THEIR OLD LIFE (before kids) BACK, OR.... TOO BUSY TRYING TO BE THEIR TWO YEAR OLD'S FRIEND!!

You're laborers, you're supposed to be laboring! That's what you get for not having an education!!

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And if their names are *not* made up in horrible fashions, then they have an all too common popular name! Such as Emma, Emily... and the one that annoys me the most - Isabella. I bet most of these families with a little Isabella don't even have Italian or Spanish blood! It's completely random. They say "Oh, I've loved that name all my life" - no they haven't. It wasn't even in the top 1,000 names for babies before the 90s. They had no idea about the name except maybe in the back of their mind from someone like Isabella Rossellini.


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LOL! I hate the name Isabella also. So overrated. So gaudy. I don't, however, agree with the idea that you can only name a child something if you have that kind of blood. I wouldn't rule out a beautiful name just because it originated in a country that my ancestors don't come from.

These parents are just pushovers. They haven't, for some reason, taken ownership of their roles as the boss in their house. They'll negotiate with their child, let their child get away with murder, indulge their every cry... the child quickly catches on that they run the show, not the parent.

Twenty-five years ago, when my cousin Justin was just a baby, he'd cry in the middle of the night and my aunt would call my mom to come over to help her calm him down. He'd be wailing as if he had colic. After a few minutes with my mom, he'd calm right down and go to sleep. My mom has remarked over the years that, "Even as a tiny baby, Justin knew how to manipulate her."
That's disturbing to think about. He was just a baby.

It just goes to show that children, even a few months old, can pick up on those vibes. My cousin picked up on the vibe very quickly that it was all about him.

I know that with my mom growing up, she was quite gentle and actually very lenient, but she could be intimidating when the situation called for it. I was aware of my limits, and I knew it was unacceptable to behave badly. With my aunt, her kids weren't aware of any such limits. She let them mouth off, she let them act up.... whatever.

Needless to say, my aunt would go on to have two hellion boys running around in a few years. A couple years later, she gave birth to her second son Shane, who behaved even worse. He'd have "accidents" until he was 7 or 8 years old. Once my aunt went out of town, and my cousins stayed with us. Shane had to be around seven years old at the time. My mom got right in Shane's face and said point blank, "You will NOT be pooping your pants here and if you do, you're washing them yourself." haha! And by the way she said it, he knew she meant it.

He didn't have a single accident at our house. lolol

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No. Please don't hate the name because it's overused by Americans. Appreciate it for its true Italian/Spanish origin. It's a beautiful name. I love the name and *not* because of its recent popularity.

"I don't, however, agree with the idea that you can only name a child something if you have that kind of blood."

Of course. But it still irks me to see a European (or foreign in general) name placed on a random kid of a(n) (American) family. Say there are four kids - only one has the foreign name and only because it happens to be so popular. *sighs*

You'll have, like, an Ashley, Margaret, Emily and then... an Isabella. It just doesn't fit. It would make more sense if the family was consistent with the names and/or had *some* Italian/Spanish blood.

That's my opinion.

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Well, personal heritage is obviously a priority to you.
It is not that important to me. The truth is, I don't know how many name options I would have if I only considered names from my own personal lineage. It's never OCCURRED to me to sort names in that way. Meanings actually have much more significance to me than country origin. Honoring of friends and family members even take precedent over country origin. If I want to honor a deceased family friend who is of a different racial origin, by naming my child after them, and I'm really moved to do that because of the kind of person they were... then I'm going to do it. The fact that their name isn't "in my blood" could mean less to me.

We're all God's children. This is America - the world's melting pot (which is a beautiful thing to me) - and it's NOT the 1950s.

Quick example: I'm not Greek. But if I, by chance, found an absolutely beautiful Greek first name that meant something to me based on meaning/sound/whatever, I'd be beyond insulted if someone told me I "shouldn't have named my child that" because I'm not Greek. I would perceive it as a racial slight.

In my point of view, that's basically the same as telling someone to "stick to their own kind."

Bottom name, you can choose the most beautiful name from your own heritage. But as the show Supernanny proves, the most beautiful names don't keep your kid from growing up to be an a-hole, if raised wrong. That's what really matters at the end of the day. Not where their name comes from.

That's all I'm going to say about that.

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For the most part I just wish parents gave (more) thought to their own children's names - be it after their own heritage, to pay tribute to a special friend or family member, or a deep love for a name in general. It's when it's *only* because of popularity that I'm very disappointed.

It's funny the original poster thinks these bratty kids are extra bratty because they're angry at their own names. *laughs*

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My post was sarcastic, implying how ridiculous parents can be in naming their kids. I was pointing out how the majority of the parents on the show are terribly young and seem to make up names for their kids, as if they pick out syllables they like and throw them together to make a name.

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"My post was sarcastic"

So was mine. I knew what you were really talking about.

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I agree with you 150%!!!

I firmly believe that you can determine (generally, of course) how a child is raised just by their name.

Let's say you meet a child, Matthew, and his brothers, Mark, John, and Luke. That alone tells you, generally, what the home atmosphere is like. Unless, by a gigantic coincidence that the parents just liked those names, chances are, they own more Bibles than the Holiday Inn.

Similarly, when you come across children named Aiden, Brayden, Cayden, Dayden, Fayden, Hayden, Jayden, Kayden, Payden, Rayden, and Zayden, ESPECIALLY if they are girls, they are raised very cutesie-wootsie, curls in the hair, t-shirts that say, "Girls are better!" and glitter lip gloss.

You can also tell what's going on behind the scenes if you listen to how often the parent says the kid's name out loud. Parents who use those cutesie-wootsie names talk like Elmo. They say, "Colton likes Colton's sippy cup! Colton does what Colton wants! Colton this, Colton that, Colton Colton Colton!"

Parents who name their children more traditionally use pronouns. "My son is starting to walk." "Timmy went to the zoo today and HE liked it when the sheep licked HIS hand."

Just take a trip to Walmart! When Ashton is acting up, the parent repeats the name like a broken record! "Ashton! Stop that! Come over here, Ashton! Ashton, stay with Mommy please! Don't go into the next aisle, Ashton!"

Suzie's parents don't often repeat her name. They usually just state the command, "Come here! Don't do that! OK! We're LEAVING!"

Its as if the parents who use cutesie names want to hear them out loud because they think they're so gosh darn clever to have thought of them.

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I know exactly what you mean!

A couple weeks ago my mother was watching that show House Hunters and a repeat was on that she recognized. She told me to watch it and count how many times the parents said their son's name. The episode name I can't recall but they were looking for a house in Alexandria, VA. This extremely annoying couple had a toddler son named Jackson and almost every single minute throughout the show one of them (usually the mother) would say "this and this Jackson" and "that and that Jackson" - she mainly complained that there was no play room or the yard outside wasn't big enough or not fenced in. I counted around 30 times (so, yeah, roughly once a minute). I actually found the first post for this show at the moment is ABOUT this very thing! And *that* person also counted - 27 times!


The thing with bible names reminded me of that family with - what is it now? - 19 kids. All J names too. Yeesh.

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The problem with undisciplined children is bigger than what they are named. A person who can name their child a Bible name or a nontraditional name and still not teach their child how to behave.

Also, some of the names listed by the original poster were not really made up. Aiden, for example is an Irish name. It is not really a new idea to name your child by a surname, either. There have been people in the past who have had surnames as a part of their name. Many times the surname was the mother's maiden name or the surname of someone the parents respected. This is still practiced today. I'm not saying that all people who use surnames are doing this, but some are.
Also, if you see a child out in public that is misbehaving, you really don't know what is going on in that child's life. For example they may have some type of disability that affects how they behave. Also, they might have had some kind of traumatic experience. I know this can't be said about all children, but it's something to think about.

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Yes, the problem is bigger than what they are named, but there DOES seem to be an association with the type of parent who would choose to name their child something peculiar, and they tend to also parent a certain way.

I just took my daughter to the park the other day. The children's play area has a gazebo in the center, and the equipment surrounds it. This was during school hours so most of the kids who were at the park that day were tiny tots not quite ready for school yet.

There were parents like me, who had children who were just a BIT too small to play on the equipment completely alone. We didn't have to have a hold on them the entire time, but we just followed our children, inches away, in case they tripped, fell, or some other kid barreled them over.

There were other parents whose children were old enough to play by themselves, but not quite "there yet" to be out of reach. Those parents circled the equipment, depending where their child was on the structure, and kept watch. They circled almost like vultures (I hate to use such a negative connotation! LOL), but any time their child fell, tripped, etc., Mom or Dad was right there to swoop in and save the day.

...then there was "Marley's" mom. I know her name was "Marley" because her mother said it at least 50,000 times in the hour or so we were at the park.

Marley's mom sat in the gazebo. Marley was just as little as the other children, but she was free to roam the equipment as she wished and Mom parented from afar.

I swear, I think she did it just do she'd have an excuse to say, "Marley" like a broken record.

"Oh, MARLEY, you look so cute on that slide!" "MARLEY, look up so I can get a picture!" "MARLEY! Let that little boy go first, its his turn!" "MARLEY, be careful, that's a wobbly bridge!" "Did you get mud on you, MARLEY?" "Hey, MARLEY, come over and get a sandwich!"

Just on and on and on. I don't even know which kid was Marley, but I will never forget that was her name!

It just seems fitting that the little girl's name was Marley. I assume it was a little girl - I guess it could have been a boy. But in all the time I have been around other parents and their children, its never the "normal, boring" names that are on repeat. I've never heard, "Bob, come here, Bob don't do that, Bob do this, Bob, Bob, Bob!"

Now, I could ask my parents the same question and they WOULD have heard "Bob" because cutesy names weren't that common when I was growing up. Bill Cosby tells a similar story in his "Himself" routine and the child was named, "Jeffrey."

There's always been kids like that, always been parents like that. Its just easier to spot them now because the parents and kids' names often go hand in hand (its not a rule, just an observation).

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I have more problems with people who name their kids funny / cutesy name without considering that their child might be teased when they are older. For example, consider what first name you put with your surname. There are many people who use cutesy first names with their surname that spell out a phrase, etc. These children will probably be teased.

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THANK YOU. I have hated "dyn" and "den" names since I could even comprehend them. When did this trend start and please, when will it end?!

Can you put a price on your dreams?

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No, the reason there are so many screwed up brats with entitlement issues is too many parents think they have to be their child's best friend.

No one ever told them they are the grown up. They are to set the rules and consequences of breaking the rules. They need to love their children and protect them, but the adults need to find friends their own age.

That is one issue I've never seen Jo address.

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I work in a home daycare and I get so disgusted with how the parents are parenting their chilfren. They say things that the kids repeat and get in trouble with, and one one who pounds on his mother right in front of me when he does not get what he wants. It makes me angry that she allows that behavior. I want to say you would not allow your husband to hit you, why do you allow your two year old to do so? Very frustrating and it makes it harder for me and others who have to take care of and teach these children.



Ouch: First word spoken by children with older siblings.

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Some of those names you listed or not made up. For example Aiden is a Gaelic name, Corban is a word that comes from the Bible, Moriah is a place in the Bible, and McKenna is a surname.

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