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Anyone else tired of political sniping?


I got hooked on ReGenesis watching the first season, and though it contained the odd bit of anti-American BS from the characters, this was unfortunately a realistic portrayal, considering the show is set in Toronto. However, in season 2, it got a LOT worse, seemed like every other episode was about how Americans and President Bush are destroying the world, or some conspiracy theory about Christian fundamentalism, or any other storyline that gave David an excuse to insult the US. We've seen Homeland Security agents portrayed as having an average IQ of about 60, INS staff as brutal shotgun-wielding thugs, the EPA as a coverup agency for big business...it's gone way past ridiculous by this point. Just another vehicle for informing Canadians that our culture is supposed to be all about hating Americans, and for spewing anti-Bush propaganda. I thought this was supposed to be entertainment, not a Liberal Party campaign ad.


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First thing...it's just a show.

Second thing, one season of 24 has got more "political sniping" than this show has had in it's 3 seasons...and 24 is an American (and Fox network) TV show.

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The Bush administration is notoriously anti-science in many respects (stem cell research being one major area) and thus they, along with Christian fundamentalists (tied into the same issues such as with creationism), get jabbed at and rightly so throughout the show. Maybe you could list some specific examples to clarify your point.

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Yes, because US has a great track record of conquering 'lesser' nations...

Nuking isn't that unrealistic.

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by Miklos_ (Sun Apr 6 2008 23:01:20)
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Yes, because US has a great track record of conquering 'lesser' nations...
Point of fact, EVERY nation is lesser than the U.S. That said, the U.S. is the only nation that has conquered countries all over the world, but instead of taking their land, wealth, women and sovereignity, the U.S. rebuilds and throws money at trying to get those countries to join the family of man.

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We did threaten Cuba with nuclear weapons during the Kennedy administration. That plot point was not total fiction.

"Yes I killed them and hope they burn in hell!" - Samuel L. Jackson , A Time to Kill.

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Hey ebulating, you forgot how the Cubans would welcome us as liberators and would give the troops candies and other sweets, and how the invasion would only cost a few million dollars.

We did not get rid of Bush when it mattered -- in 2004. We "got rid of" him because he was barred by the constitution from running again.

The Cuban missile crisis was not "initiated by the USSR installing nuclear missiles in Cuba." The Cuban missile crisis was initiated by the US installing nuclear missiles in Turkey. We Americans tromp around the world walking all over people, and then when they angrily react we see their reaction as barbarity, aggression, etc.

Before you react too angrily to the notion that the world sees the US as a country that will use nuclear weapons, you might want to step out of the cocoon of self-congratulation in which we are wrapped for just a minute and see how we look from outside.

What is the only country that has ever used nuclear weapons? And why ... because of a truly deadly threat? Or ... because we wanted them to surrender unconditionally and they would have put up a terrific resistance had we invaded?

What country's military has, since WWII, invaded other countries, or intervened in other conflicts, more than any other? Arguably, more than all the others combined? Actually, that one is probably a close race between the US and Israel (which has a very interesting track record of invading its neighbors and then blaming them for it -- sound familiar?).

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"The Cuban missile crisis was not "initiated by the USSR installing nuclear missiles in Cuba." The Cuban missile crisis was initiated by the US installing nuclear missiles in Turkey. "

That's one of the stupidest things that anyone has ever said. I suppose the American Revolution was initiated in Japan, eh?

I'm not sure why you hate your own country so much. If I felt that way about Canada, I'd move the first chance I got. Are you a masochist?

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Old message but I just discovered the series recently in Australia. And then look at this topic ... dlleas

What does it mean to hate a country? The geographical area, the people, the culture ... maybe ... the foreign policy? What was the outcome of the Cuban missile crisis? World War III didn't happen and the U.S. pulled the missile out of Turkey. A lot of back channel talk between JFK and the Soviets

Btw, I'm an American who's lived in Australia since 1974 -- one of the few of a dying species. What the U.S. has become is NOT the America I was born in. And I still have a U.S. passport; ex-army and an Oath Keeper. If one cannot be critical of government policy, then he's either a sheep or a slave.

I had a daughter-in-law that was Canadian. I've travelled there and quite enjoyed the people and the place. If I was rich, I'd have a summer home in Vancouver. Many fond memories of Montreal.

Have a nice day.


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"What does it mean to hate a country?"

It can have many different meanings, of course. Ask the Chinese how they feel about Japan. Ask North Koreans how they feel about the US. You'll get the gist.


"What the U.S. has become is NOT the America I was born in."

True enough. The America you were born in was less socialist, more individualistic, better educated, more united .... it's a bit of a mess these days, split between two factions, one of which wants to turn it into Sweden, and another which wants to turn it into Saudi Arabia. Neither of them much seem to like the America you were born in.

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by cheri416 (Mon Apr 13 2009 20:58:48)
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We did threaten Cuba with nuclear weapons during the Kennedy administration. That plot point was not total fiction.

FAIL.

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by ebulating (Sun Mar 9 2008 04:30:02)
We could conquer Cuba with a single Aircraft carrier.

Yes, and if not for U.S. protection, the Eskimos could have conquered Canada with a dogsled and some bone knives. Canada's 'tolerance' is turning it into a a cesspool of anti-western immigrants who don't work, don't pay taxes, and don't learn English or French. When it is all over two generations from now, Canada won't be worth crying over.

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Look to your own nation for anti-western immigrants who don't learn English.
Hypocrite.

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America (and Canada along with other nations) have a majority sheeple population.
Cuba awaits your aircraft carrier. You've invaded Cuba before and...?

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I don't see how anyone in a democratical country is obligated to honor Americas ridicilous choices of leaders in any way. There are plenty of ugly affairs in reality to fetch inspiration to fictional "conspiracies" but I guess the rest of the world should close their eyes and shut up while megalomaniacs are playing power games in the name of "democracy".

The reason why people in the past and today support leaders like Hitler, Saddam or Mao Zedong is ultimately down to obfuscation and manipulation of facts, history and events. Many maniacs have been "democratically" elected to a post where they cannot be questioned and that is how they can remain at place.

Any leader/establishment/president/party of any kind of alignment SHOULD be made fun of, critisized, monitored and questioned constantly for democracy to work. Any unspoken rules of courtesy and we are biting chunks from liberty of speech and freedom of the press. Censorship belongs in dictatorships and have no place in a "free" country.

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"democratical"



'nuff said.

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Isn't it a pity when they come up with a good idea that is well executed then piddle it away in a feeble attempt to snipe at a whole country because they hate George Bush?

Such behavior demonstrates a maturity and civility worthy of a group of 6th graders. While they'll hide behind "free speech" and "liberty" the fact is they only see fit to extend such rights to those with whom they agree. They have little tolerance for any other ideas or thoughts. Their reaction to any real diversity is a vicious ad hominem attack free of any substance with the intent to undermine the individual. Several posters have already demonstrated similar characteristics.

So when I run across shows that reflect this type of pettiness I change the channel and realize that other people, like you, see it for what it is. Such programs don't usually last too long as people tire of such shallowness when they're looking for entertainment and there are plenty of choices out there.

Thanks for your thoughts. It's nice to know that there are good Canadian friends out there.

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I'm not.
Its a Canadian show so they have the right to show candian viewpoints.

Plus bush is stupid, cheny is stupid, homeland security is stupid.
THis show hasnt presented anything that i didnt already know.

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I agree with the topic starter. There was a thinly-veiled swipe at Homeland Security, the FBI, and the CIA in an episode I recently watched. It made out like those agencies are filled with bumbling idiots that must rely on this Canadian organization to bail them out. By all means everyone is entitled to their opinion. However these seem more like snide comments between middle-aged women that contribute next to nothing in furthering the plot. Certainly there are disagreements amongst all the major countries of the world. But wouldn't it be more intelligent and more prudent to present these disagreements tongue-in-cheek fashion rather than these inane little playground-esque one liners?

Insert introspective quote here.

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Admittedly, I've not seen much of this show; however, I'll probably pick it up on DVD: I have thus far found it quite entertaining.

For the record, I am a US citizen by birth, a veteran having participated in just about every overt and covert international operation between 1986 and 1992, and -- until mid-2000 -- a staunch supporter of and campaigner for the GOP. I have held both associate and interim pastorates in the Southern Baptist Convention.

From early in my childhood, I have striven to lead an exemplary life free from hypocrisy. With age has come not only an increase in knowledge, but also an increase in wisdom: I see now the abhorrent usurpations of Churchianity and the evil genius of the Bush regime, and I reject them utterly.

Just as it is not enough to merely claim the Name of Christ (see Matthew 7, Acts 19, James 2, et al), it is not enough for a person or party to claim to be the defender of liberty and freedom: the character of each person or group is evinced through the policies and practices thereof.

I risked my life in service to the USA not merely so that those with whose speech I agreed might have liberty to express their beliefs and opinions through whatever media they elected to use, but to extend that right to even those with whose beliefs and opinions I most strongly disagreed or judged offensive.

The current Bush regime is rightly characterized by the wholesale revision of law to abandon centuries of ethical progress and eradicate historical protections; terror directed against the People; malfeasance, misfeasance and nonfeasance on a scale that boggles the mind; and crimes against peace, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Despite the foregoing, there is no reasonable hope for positive change in the USA: Bush and his GOP cohorts could not have achieved such spectacular results apart from the assistance of judiciary and legislative branches marching in single-minded, lock-step allegiance to the renegade executive.

Indeed, the sole voice on the national stage offering hope for positive change is Dennis Kucinich, and even if he by some miracle managed to get elected to the Presidency, there is no reason to believe he would be anything but a lame duck for the duration of his term in Office: the infestation of corrupt ideologues is far too vast for a single antibody to cure.

Having so stated, I love the land of my birth. I appreciate there are among the nations of the world those governed by regimes more malevolent than our own, but I shudder when I realize we are doing our best to emulate the worst.

However popular, nefarious behavior is wrong – and humane persons are compelled by conscience to better their respective communities through the exemplary exercise of the principles of equality, fraternity and liberty.

There is no criticism crafted by man adequate to disparage the Bush regime beyond the simple recounting of its misdeeds; it is irrational to take offense at the fictional portrayal of participants in the Bush regime as either incompetent or evil or both.

I have not personally witnessed the characterization of US operatives or agents alleged in the message precipitating this thread; nevertheless, I applaud those having both the conscience and the courage to speak out through their craft against the evil regime. Kudos, ReGenesis.

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As a veteran - not of the military but of the "Politics" board, I commend you on an excellent rant!




So it goes.

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Mr. Wireflight-- I normally wouldn't respond to a post pushing 18 months old, but I simply couldn't pass this one up. First, thank you for your years of service to our nation, and many thanks for perhaps the finest post/response on any similar topic I've had the pleasure to read in quite a few years.

This was a beautifully written, well-reasoned analysis of how you arrived at your current world-view. Even if I wholeheartedly disagreed with it, I have no doubt that that it still would have been a complete pleasure to read. What a delightful surprise to discover it on the forum of an obscure television series.

How unfortunate that more people who were initially supportive of the previous administration's retaliatory actions (a large majority of US citizens), were not wise or willing enough to comprehend how their patriotism was being cynically used to further an agenda with whose goals few would have probably agreed. In allowing ourselves to be manipulated by a constant campaign of vague fear, we have paid with priceless civil liberties that will be very difficult to recover.

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I love the political sniping. It's the reason I watch Canadian shows, they offer a little sanity to the utter BS we get inundated with from the states. I LOVE it. Watch Intelligence if you want another brilliant show with a little taste of honestly for the oh so sensitive peons.

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The sniping wouldn't bother me at all if the show were good. Season 3 was bordering on terrible, and the beginning to #4 isn't giving me much hope that the writing has improved.

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