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I was reading some reviews about the movie, and I saw that there is quite a bit of profanity through out the film. Is there a reason why they felt the need to include that? It really makes me think twice about if I want to see the movie or not. I imagine they are trying to make things seem more "real" or something like that, but I know that I would be embaressed to take an unbelieving friend to a "Christian movie" only for them to hear what they hear in regular movies.
Just wondering.

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Someone must have been mistaken (or downright dishonest) in a written review to claim that there was "a lot of profanity" in this movie. There isn't. There is a word or two that is "off color", and there are a few moments where the dialogue is a bit rougher than in other "christian" movies. But the result is that the dialogue is much more realistic, and therefore depicts life closer to how it really is. The language in this movie is nowhere near as bad as many network tv shows, or real life in the kind of neighborhood depicted.

I don't know your friend or you, but I wouldn't think you'd be embarrassed by this movie, unless your friend suffers under the delusion that christians are perfect, or is so narrow minded that they won't be able to get past the inclusion of realism in a story told by christians. This movie could be the beginning of a great conversation between the two of you. If you're still not sure, you could check it out first, or talk to a believer you know (whose opinion you trust of course), about the content. If you decide to take your friend, good luck.

Never quite matching up to what you want of yourself is the basic of the human condition JDM

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sure yeah, but i dont hear a ton of profanity in real life even being around sinners all day. why would they make a movie with a significant amount of profanity, and to dispute what you're saying it DOES have a significant amount of profanity, and pretend that's what life is really like?? no. im sorry. thats not real life, especially since the character using most of the profanity is supposed to be a pastor. thats not human condition unless you live in prison. thats taking literary liberties for the sake of art.

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Timbocf, I agree with you 100%. Come on ... if we are to be the light of the world, how in the world are we going to show them the way if we don't follow the Master's teachings about the way we are to speak??? Much more a PASTOR.

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Hey RampMan,
Great question. The setting of the movie is in the inner city. As you know, the inner city is not a PG place (or even a PG 13 place, as the movie's rating depicts it). The language of the movie (and it is minimal, my guess is that the reviews you read were from a Christian based organization or basis) is a part of the setting of the movie like the scenery or costumes. In order to portray the reality of the setting and the amazing work that the Spirit does, it is important to portray the depravity of the setting. That being said, my experience with the movie and non-christians is that the setting and the truth that is depicted acctually appeals to non-christians because of the movie deals honestly with the depravity and doesn't try to sugar-coat it or make it "churchy". If there are any questions, go see the movie by yourself or with a community of believers and pray about taking the non-christian friend or not. The accurate portrayal was necessary and did add to the strength of the message, story and power of this movie.

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Ryan, I don't care if the inner cit is not a PG place. The Kingdom of Heaven is. And that Kingdom is in our hearts. How can sweet and bitter water come out of the same fountain ??? I have done work in the inner city and this makes those of us who are being witnesses there look bad. No, sir. Don't bring down the standard of God to fit your lifestyle or ministry. Bring your life to God's holy standard. I will not recommend this movie to anybody... Too lukewarm for the lost or for the saved.

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Man, you completely miss the point.
No wonder some many non-christians like myself just shake my head and walk away from you. Despite the grace you profess to know, you have no idea how to dispense it aside from letting everyone know how holy you are.

Fortunately Bono has a better take on Jesus than you.

Good luck with that.

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Thanks, guys.
I do have another question though. One review that I read (and yes, it was a Christian organization) said that a "frustrated pastor curses from the pulpit." My question is whether or not the frustarted pastor is Michael W. Smith. Something about him suddenly swearing would be wierd.
Thanks again.

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The pastor is not MWS. It is the pastor of the inner-city church. The swearing is dealt with as a sin and the pastor later confesses the struggle with swearing. You are right, MWS would have been very awkward cussing. Again, the swearing is a very small part of a greater story. It is not glorified in any way and is dealt with as a sin.

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Thanks again. All very helpful.

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This is such a weird conversation. Why wouldn't a believer curse? And, I'm sorry, but as someone who has spent a little too much time backstage at a handfull of mega-churches, the idea of a mega-church pastor who doesn't curse like a sailor is just downright unrealistic.

The church as a whole has taken the whole "in the world but not of it" passage and twisted it into a justification for acting pious, never having to get any dirt on their hands. So, might I just toss out that hearing some ultra-right publication say that it's got "dirty words" in it gives a number of people an excuse to not take their "unbelieving friends"--and that might be a welcome excuse, given
a.) they don't want to enter into awkward conversation with their bowling buddies or
b.) they don't want to be caught out in public with someone who just might show up at the theater wearing a "Miller High Lite" shirt?

That and Steve Taylor has long pissed off the kind of people who get offended by phrases like "pissed off." So corporate churches have no love for the film's director.

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Hummm...everyone in this life is a sinner. It is the condition of mans worldly existance. Should I even mention Matthew 21:18-22 or Mark 11:12-14, 19-25?

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The "profanity" is so minor and in my mind essential to the story that it is really a non factor. The whole movie is meant to challenge the way we think about people and the way we put them into boxes based on race, ecconomic status or where they live.

In one of the most Poignant scenes of the movie is where one young black church worker took a beat down from a gang that was meant for someone else. The next day another a white church worker who appears to be mentally challenged asks the other man if his leg hurts? The response was "Yes, it hurt like hell." The white guy told him that "Jesus doesn't want us to use the word hell." A little while later in a wonderfully touching scene where church leaders are washing each others feet to show their desire to be a servant. The same white man appologizes to the other man saying that he was more concerned about the words that he chose rather than how he really felt and what he was going through.

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One more thing I forgot. If you're at all familiar with Steve Taylor, who wrote and directed this movie, and his career you know that his whole focus is to challenge what we think we know. This time he chooses to meet it head on rather than using satire.

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I know that I originally started this post such a long time ago, but it is only tonight that I finally got a chance to actually see the movie. I thought that I would state my own views of the "language issue" after finally seeing the movie myself.
It is true, that many of the so called "bad words" in the movie served a purpose. There are some scenes in the movie that I could not imagine having the same effect had those words not been present.
However, there were some scenes where "words" were used that had no effect on the story at all. They didn't move the plot along, they weren't portrayed as sin...they were just there.
It seems that the movie got a little too carried away, as these words got more common and were thrown around without any purpose...and thus became nothing more than profanity. They were used because they could be and to shock people without serving a purpose; which I believe is the definition of an "expletive."
Don't misunderstand me. I respect the film for taking the stand that it did...to a point. I thought the messeges that it sent out were great.
And before someone quotes the movie back to me, the foot washing which talks about needing to care about people more about what they say even hit home.
But still, it went farther then it needed to. It went past the messege and moved to meaninglessness. And for that it lost some of my respect.
I would still reccomend the movie. It contains messeges that so many Christians need to hear...including myself. But would I show it to non-Christians? No. But not nesscarily because of the language (although I would feel a little ashamed at some points), but simply because the theme is not directed to them, it is directed toward Christians.
You need to see it for yourself to form your own opinion on this matter. This is just my opinion...for what it's worth.

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Rampman, I'm with you on this, except that I would not take a friend to see it, nor would I recommend it. Why? Because Christians are to be different from the world in the way we live, dress, and talk. This is not because of a great effort, but the result of a changed heart and life that shows in the way we live. I am very disappointed with all the profanity used in this movie and would not recommend it at all. Ellen.

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I gotta say after seeing the movie tonight and then reading this stuff here... the Church just don't get it. We are so concerned about sanitizing Christianity that we forget what it is all about. Heaven forbid that we let our "friends" see this movie and come awy with the impression that Christians are just a bunch of cussin' folk like the rest of the world. God forbid that they see REAL people struggleing with their faith.

Maybe everyone should get off their high horses and look at the message of the film. If the message is missed then it is a damn shame.

And if that "damn" just offended you, then I made my point. Jesus did not die to clean up our potty mouths. He died so that we would quit worrying about people's potty mouths and start looking at people's hearts.

The comments here remind me of the guy in the car at the end of the movie, when the kid comes up to the window and he looks the other way.

Shame on us all.

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Yes, God can help people get their acts together, but also when we're with our non-Christian friends, we're not supposed to focus only on the swearing they use. Yes, we should be an example for them, and before we worry a lot about what they say, they have to have their hearts in the right place. I heard something on the radio recently that deals with this kind of thing. There was a Christian guy who has been trying to minister to his boss. One day, during a conversation they were having, the boss kept saying "Jesus Christ"--not in the context of talking about Him, but using His Name in vain. The guy said to his boss, "Excuse me, but I don't like the way you say the Name of my God." His boss replied, "Excuse me, but I don't like the way you just said that." The guy said he realized that he had destroyed his "bridge" for ministering. Therefore, soon after that incident, he went back to his boss, and said he was out of line for saying what he did, and asked his boss's forgiveness. The bridge had been restored. I'm not saying we're supposed to condone profanity, but a person's heart is more important than the language that he/she uses.

If you love Jesus Christ 100% (and He is #1 in your life) copy this and use it for your signature.

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