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I feel like the main character...(spoile rs)


...because nobody other than me seems to see the obvious explanation... The same, old tired one: It's all a dream for crying out loud!

More precisely it is a dream until the last 10 minutes or so. Reality begins at the scene where the main character is bearded and eating noodles. Here's what I believe are the real facts:

1) Marc's father has died last year.

2) Marc is very tired from work and he and his wife fly to Hong Kong for vacation.

3) Upon landing, they probably take a taxi from Landau airport to the tip of Kowloon, from where they take the ferry to Hong Kong island (it's cheaper this way: traffic into the island sucks; been there recently). They spend the night at a posh hotel.

4) Next day they probably take the ferry back to Kowloon and from there they board a ship for a longer trip to a nearby Chinese location that has a casino (Macau perhaps ?)

5) Marc may or may not have had a moustache when they left Paris. It is possible hat he grew a beard during his vacation (although not necessary).

7)While in the small seaside town, Marc's wife likes to go shopping. In one of her trips she buys for him (for laughs ?) a second-hand green jacket. Later Marc finds a postcard in the inside pocket left by the previous owner.

8) One night they probably have a long night out with a lot of drinking at the casino with a younger French couple. Marc thinks that his wife likes the younger man.

9) Marc fall into sleep and he is having nightmares. Here's where the movie starts: all the events in the dream are symbols for Marc anxieties:
a) His cutting the moustache is fear for the loss of his youth and virility
and he wants to rejuvenate himself with this action.
b) The friends that they have dinner with are probably stand-ins for the
real couple he met at the casino. Marc is jealous of his wife liking
the younger man.
c) His wife not acknowledging the disappearance of the moustache reflects a
crisis in the relationship: March thinks that his wife has stopped
caring for him. The same with the coworkers: Marc is not satisfied with
his work anymore; and he probably secretly covets his young co-worker.
In his dream he is wishing that she has coffee with him.
d) Another intriguing minor figure is the pretty young policewoman that he
meets after he walks out of the photo booth: she is the only one in the
dream that acknowledges that he had a moustache previously; perhaps a
casual acquaintance in real life that he has an unconscious crash for
and thinks she is the only one to understand him.
e) The message from his dead father is a typical dream that people have
when they have lost one of their parents recently (I am talking from
personal experience)
f) His parent's number not answering and his not being able to find their
house is another typical nightmare scenario: it symbolizes the desire to
escape back to one's childhood and the agony that he cannot.
g) The ferry trip back and forth is at one level a reworking in his brain
of recent new images (it often happens when you travel to someplace new
and imposing: at night you dream of what you saw, especially under the
influence of being sleepless and jet-lagged from the long flight). At
another level it may symbolize the banality and meaningless of his life.

10) Back to reality: When he wakes up with a hangover combined with jet-lag, he goes out to eat noodles to recover; his wife goes for antique shopping or something. While eating, he reworks his dream of the previous night in his mind. He wants to test at least one aspect of his dream and he cuts his beard. But he leaves the moustache in place, probably unwilling to go all the way. His wife recognizes the change and everything is fine again. But is it really? He still looks unhappy and puzzled.

The dream has revealed to Marc that he is having real issues he kept suppressed: his marriage has sagged into boredom, he is coveting other women, his work sucks, he is getting older, he dreams of escaping. Mid-life crisis anyone?

I saw the film yesterday at the Chicago International Film festival. I thought the movie sucked until the last ten minutes when everything became clear and my opinion was changed. Exiting I handed-in my ballot giving the movie a rating of 3 out of 5, but today, thinking about it again, I think it deserved higher. Any movie that makes you think deeply about your own life does.

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I think some of your points about the symbolism are true, but imho it's not supposed to be seen as a factual dream, more like symbolism in itself. As far as I'm concerned, the important thing is not whether it's a dream or not, but how the movie makes you feel and the themes it deals with. Nice to see that at least one person cared to comment this excellent film!

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oh, you are probably right. God, i loved the actors. Emmannuel Devos is my favorite at the moment. I loved the movie....yet it irritated me completly.

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hola Malakas,

Well, you saw this film a long time ago and chances are you won't see this reply. I just saw it last night, and I find your interpretation to be the most intriguing I have read, including those in the NYT and LAT. I hadn't quite yet seen it in this light despite the parallel your interpretation offers to the immediate one I similarly had of Mulholland Drive a few years back when even the likes of Ebert were baffled but what it meant and I'd immediately sensed the entire film was a dream up until, again, the last 10 minutes.

What makes me write you is what seems one potential glitch in your analysis. Namely, Agnes', his wife's, name on the postcard. I know that we see the postcard again with her name on it at least once after he initially writes it (in his dream, as per your interp) but what I don't know for sure is if we see her name on it again AFTER he finds it (post-dream) in his pocket in Hong Kong. If so -- which is the way I recall it, that her name was still on the postcard and that we saw that half of the postcard as well in the post-dream segment -- then it would be the one piece of counterevidence to it all having been a dream. In that case, his throwing it over the bridge into the water would also symbolize his getting rid of the only -- hmm -- annoyance? -- post-dream which would not jibe with an ability (for his own cognitive dissonance sake) to dismiss the entire set of identity-threatening bizarrities as 'mere' nightmare ...


Once again, I'm very endebted to your interpretation. Thanks for writing.

Zinya

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If that was a dream, that's pretty lame, because the dream would need to have some meaning. Anyone coul present an illogical plot, and then say, "Oh, it was a dream", which would not have to be logical. Was there anything you saw that would suggest it was all a dream--other than its being illogical?

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> Later Marc finds a postcard in the inside pocket left by the previous owner. <

Sorry, to shatter your dream theory, but that postcard has his wife's name and address on it.

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By the way, this film reminded me of an Escher drawing where you see physically impossible buildings and constructions. That is why it has no solution and if you try to find one, you will get mad.

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Ah, like your slant the best :)

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I could be wrong, but I think according to this dream theory. He did not find the postcard until the end and he simply tossed it out. In this shot, we do not see a name or address.

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Even though your interpretation would give some well needed catharsis to the viewer I don't think it is accurate. I have not seen the movie, but I read the book which precedes the film. In the book, Marc....




****SPOILER ALERT****







.......kills himself.

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Yeah, and in the movie they try to kill the viewer! What a downer of a flick!
I never want to see anything remotely like that again.

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bruce-129...

Don't ever watch a film by Robert Bresson.

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I am certainly not saying this is the RIGHT interpretation, but it is an alternative to "the whole thing is a dream" theory. By the way, I'm not a mental health professional, so please don't read too much into my musings as far as proper diagnosis is concerned. Then again, I'm betting the author wasn't a psychologist either. I haven't read the book, so I have no idea whether there is any additional explanatory information that would support or refute this concept.

Disclaimers out of the way, try on this view for size:

Marc is a desperately lonely and sad individual, an expatriate living abroad in Hong Kong in a seedy little room by the water. (Possibly after the death of his father... debatable but intriguingly possible.) Every day he commutes from the island to Kowloon and back again, a nameless and ignored figure in a sea of humanity that swarms around him but does not involve him.

His mind has constructed an elaborate fantasy to relieve himself from the intolerable aspects of his existence. He imagines himself living happily in Paris with a beautiful and loving wife, friends who have him over for parties, and an inclusive work environment with people who respect and rely on him.

As we begin the film, his mind has started to have problems maintaining the fantasy for whatever reason. Maybe he finds the stress and conflict of living the fantasy too difficult. Maybe he is self-destructive. Maybe an external influence has intruded upon the illusion. So his fantasy world gradually starts breaking apart in ways that are at first small and subtle, then rapidly accelerate, ripping apart the carefully constructed protective facade he has built up.

Of course the film is shot from his internal mental perspective, so things we see as contradictory and physically impossible are allowable as his brain wars between reality and his illusion. His "wife" suddenly doesn't notice something that is important to him. He overreacts. All the other evidential plot points occur. He senses that he is powerless to avert the oncoming destruction of his world, but still tries to salvage his view as the correct one in fits and starts. That is why you get contradictions such as not using the Bali photos as a direct challenge, or the fortuitous appearance of the uniformed blonde in the photo booth that is never followed up on.

His impassioned statements to his wife that "I don't want to lose you" and "no matter what, I'll always be here" are a part of his recognition that her fantasy love and involvement are so important to him, as he knows that in reality his sad living state is always there, waiting to swallow him.

But his fugue state (if that's the right term) is ripped apart in a slow return to reality. He makes the transition with a fevered imagined flight to Hong Kong from Paris (to self-explain how he is back there... note that we never see the flight or the details of the travel). He finds himself thrust back into his humdrum reality of faceless commuting on the ferry. He gets rid of the cellphone that had been so important as a way to communicate with his fantaasy cast of characters, but which had become a haunting reminder of the "real world" absence of his parents. One of the last attempts to reach out to the fantasy construction is the postcard he writes to his imaginary wife, saying how much he wished she was there and how he only truly sees things through her eyes.

He carries around the coat and the postcard as a reminder of the beautiful existence he has lost. The coat can certainly be real enough, one he bought but cloaked in the fantasy of having been given to him by Agnes, his alter ego and saviour who would encourage him to be more outgoing and noticed. (We even get a glimpse of his frustration that he can't make his fantasy work anymore in her line in the restaurant about "But we did everything right today!")

We see him in the center part of the film back in the day to day grind of his solitary existence. Then one day his brain finds a way to reconstruct the fantasy world with the changes necessary to make it work. It has to cover up the things that fell apart in the last buildup. So Agnes is back, but now they have been together on vacation in his Hong Kong. This time she doesn't approve of the coat that the last fantasy-Agnes liked. And this time she approves of the idea of shaving the moustache and notices it immediately. He is back in the gentle folds of his schizoid mind, with the errors of the last construct wiped clean.

Again, there is the half-realization by Marc of what is going on. He sees his postcard that he wrote to the last incarnation of Agnes and knows that it conflicts with this version. So he hides it and then disposes of it. He goes along with the new fantasy in an almost visible decision to embrace this new creation.

In this light, the entire movie has an internal consistency driven by the desperate machinations of a diseased mind. Because we see it from his own fractured viewpoint, it sometimes feels disconcerting and sometimes seems to jump in discontinuities with character behavior that wouldn't be logical to "normal" people.

I found it engaging, haunting, and bittersweet.

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You not only could be wrong, you are. It can be clearly read.

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according to the behind the scenes part of the dvd I rented, you might be quite accurate. A beginning was shot in Hong Kong, but deleted and the filmmakers are quite frankly somewhat spooked by the fact that so many people has talked to him about the deleted beginning and other deleted scenes that they have never seen. It just goes to say, he killed his darlings and the movie didn't suffer ;)

I myself don't really want the dream/hongkong-beginning thing. I want the things that was in the movie, I like the fact that nothing makes obvious sense, if it did, then it wouldn't be nearly as interesting.

And in the same interview the director said that he wanted to do the story for the reason that "there is no answer"...

it's like Total Recall, was Arnie just a constructionworker that bought this amazing "trip" or is he really a superspy that rescues a colony of suppressed inhabitants on Mars? Did Marc shave his moustache or not?

I really like the POSSIBILITY of the fantastic almost more than the FACT of the fantastic. In 1969 it was an international sensation that the americans go to the moon, there lingered a possibility that we all would soon follow. Now, ask anyone and noone remembers who walked there last... It was fun when people belived in the possibility of life on mars, now the red dot is just a red dot. Throughout the whole movie there was a possibility that either he or his wife where insane... but to know that either was a fact would just make the whole thing boring.

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I love that this film has made people think about it long after they have seen it. A friend of mine is convinced that Marc never had a moustache and only thought he did and that his father was really dead all along. When he comes back to reality (after he shaves his imaginary moustache), he can't handle it and flees and creates a new fantasy in Hong Kong which he eventually incorporate his wife.

Another interpretation and I am sure there are many others.

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Its pretty obvious that the whole movie is a metaphor for what Marc is going through in his own mind while encountering his so-called Midlife crisis.

i.e. the repetitiveness of the ferries from downtown to the other place and back symbolized the repetitiveness and banality of his own life. Maybe even, out on a limb here, a dream within the dream: he creates this series of ferry rides to cover up what is happening on the outside; that is, being on vacation with his wife. This could explain why the viewer does not know who the couple on the casino boat are until Agnes tells us.

I have to admit that the points that the OP made made sense and allowed me to see the movie somewhat clearer.

About the postcard, couldn't he have imagined Agnes' name there afterwards (if it was in the shot), in order to give himself some kind of closure?

She got her good looks from her father. He's a plastic surgeon.

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>> I love that this film has made people think about it long after they have seen it.

Yeah, so does cancer, a burglary, or an automobile accident, or a breakup ... so what?

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...but she asks him why he bought the jacket!!

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