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POKER MISTAKE IN 'TILT'


In episode 4, during the first hand, a random man has a hand of Queen of Spades and Ace of Diamonds. The main girl in movie, I think her name is Miami, has pocket Jacks, Spades and Clubs. The cards on the table turn out to be 7 Diamonds-4 Diamonds-Jack Diamonds-10 Diamonds-and 4 of Clubs. The man has a FLUSH to the Ace and the lady has a full house-Jacks full of 4's. Obviously, the lady has won, but she is upset, and walks away before she could win the pot. When they flip over her cards, the man says, "Will you look at that?
She walked away from the nuts." The mistake here is that POCKET 4's-4 OF A KIND ARE THE NUTS AND NOT A FULL HOUSE. I know that this man doesn't have to know everything about poker-but still, in a poker movie, they shouldn't make this mistake!!!!

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Yeah I caught that too. I think the writers just wanted to have the guy say "nuts" instead of "best hand," to give the show more of a legitimate poker feel. (How's that for irony.)

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A lot of regular, even pro players will refer to a big full-house as "the nuts," even though 4 of a kind is alway possible when the board is paired. Also, an Ace-high flush will sometimes be referred to as "the nut flush," even if a straight flush is possible.

Alternatively, perhaps someone exposed a 4 AND the 9 or 8 of Diamonds during the hand, so that would make Jacks Full the nuts.

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OMG-I'm so stupid for not recognizing that there was a straight flush possibilty. Thanks Yuki. But still, a poker show (emphasizing poker) should be exact in their words related to poker.

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And this also makes my argument better-there were 2 better hands than what he claimed was the nuts.

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the thing is, it is a character in the show saying "she walked away from the nuts", so the character used the wrong word. so it is not really a mistake by the makers of the show.

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A show tries to be realistic as possible. They made a mistake and that's it!

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i just have to say by saying she walked away from the nuts, he could have just meant nut hand or best hand, since she did have the best hand. technically she had the nut hand between the two.

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if it would have been an 'expert' at poker, then it could have been considered a mistake ... but it was just a player at the table ... not all players know all the hands ... you could think that your 10, q is the nuts with 9, j, k on the board with someone holding ace, queen beating you ... it's not really a mistake in the writing ... just a mistake by the guy

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thank you filbert, that was exactly my point.

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yea, it gets on my nerves when people think that just because it is a movie it has to be perfect ... in a real game you're going to hear a lot of stuff that's incorrect ...if anyone watched the world series of poker last year, one of the smaller games, the guy called the dealer out because he thought is straight was best (it turned out that it was a 4 card straight)

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The "NUTS" refer to the winning hand on the table nimrod. She gets up and leaves but cause her mentor just got killed.

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He was thinking more of the nuts referring to a hand that can't be beat ... aka ace high flush being the 'nut flush' or ace high straight being the 'nut straight' but the nuts is just jargon for a hand that couldn't be beat, and even in the unlikely even that someone had pocket 4's in the hand (which no one did, because the play on the table made it obvious that he had the ace high flush, and since no one else was in the hand...she had 'the nuts' or a hand that couldn't be beat at that time ...

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Actually this is correct. The nuts is the winning hand at the table.

What you are thinking of as what is referred to as the absolute nuts.

There are also terms such as second nuts, which would refer to a K-Flush when there is a flush possibility with no Ace of the suit or straight flush possibilities on the board.

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You are incorrect. The nuts refer to a hand that cannot be beat, depending upon the cards on the board.

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Nuts
The best possible hand given the board. If the board is Ks-Jd-Ts-4s-2h, then As-Xs is the nuts. You will occasionally hear the term applied to the best possible hand of a certain category, even though it isn't the overall nuts. For the above example, somebody with Ah-Qc in the above hand might say they had the "nut straight".
This is taken from a poker gloassary. As said, you will occasionaly hear something is the nuts, but it's not the overall nuts.

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I was watching WPT last night w/ Doyle Bunson playing heads up against someone...he was playing 6, 5 suited and the flop came 4, 3, 7, w/ two suited cards that weren't doyle's suit. The commentators referred to his hand as 'the nuts' even though all the cards weren't out there, and even though another spade dropped and could have made a flush, they knew that the other guy couldn't beat his hand (with the help of a pocket cam), and therefore he referred to his hand as 'the nuts'

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At that moment by the flop- he did have the current the "nuts". There is a nuts on the flop-on turn-and on river.

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at that momment Doyle had the nuts in other words just using the five cards out there so far he had an unbeatable hand. Now it is possible that he could've got outdrawn if the guy had a flush draw or trips but Doyle would still have the nuts at that point against the guy using the card cam or not.

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the "nuts" is the unbeatable hand. On that particuliar one it would've been the straight flush.

Some people do use the term the nuts loosely but they made a lot of terminology errors in the show. Oh well.

Mic

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you guys should try reading the "Goofs" for Tilt.


Factual errors: In the opening scene, when Miami is playing poker, one of the players says, "Look at that, she walked away from the nuts." This isn't correct. Miami held pocket jacks, giving her Jacks full of Fours. The nuts (the best hand) would have been pocket fours, for four of a kind.

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THANK U notlasaj!!! I rest my case.

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ok...somebody isnt paying attention...

she is NOT holding the nuts but IT IS A CHARACTER SAYING THAT SHE DOES....not the makers of Tilt.

It is very likely for someone around a table to say a thing like that even if it is not the exact correct use of the word "nuts". Around a table you´ll hear stuff like that all the time.

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Nuts simply means having a hand that is a certain winner not necessarily the best possible hand. Yes I know that they both sound like they mean the same thing but I don't think that they do. The way the hand was played out with the guy playing as if he had the flush, which he did, and not 4 fours should have told Miami, an expert player, that she did have the Nuts, ie the certain winner with her full house. The guy all but gave away the fact that he had a flush so anything better than that, whether that's a full house, 4 of a kind, straight flush(which in this hand wasn't possible)would be considered the nuts. That's the way that I see it.

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The way you see it is wrong. It's not a matter of opinion. The term "nuts" refers to the best possible hand given the board, as many people have already said. Read before you post.

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Also remember there are terms such as "nut-flush" and "nut-straight"...there's even a term "nut-fullhouse," even though anytime a fullhouse is possible, so are quads. He could have been thinking of an ace-high flush as being "the nuts" and then saw what she really had was even better. Or he could have abbreviated the term "nut-fullhouse" (not thinking anyone who heard him would think so much of it, oh course) because she did hold that hand.

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I've frequently seen professional poker players (Daniel Negreanu, Howard Lederer, etc) call hands that aren't "absolutely" the best possible hand on the table the "nuts". The reason for this is that the odds of hitting a straight flush, four of a kind or even a full house are very low. These "pros" know full well that the actual nuts at any given time is a "perfect" hand - but the term itself is used sometimes quite liberally.

And remember, that commentary *after* a hand has played out will show that one player had an unbeatable hand compared to what his opponent had. In other words, for that hand - against that opponents hand, the other player had "the nuts".

Yeesh.

It's amazing how anal people can be over a *slang* poker term to begin with...

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Kenorv is correct. The Nuts is the best hand, not necessarily the best possible hand given the board. Miami had the best Full house once the board paired (fours I believe) and a jack was the highest card on the board to make her pocket jacks a full house. If Andreass definition were correct, then only four of a kinds, straight flushes, and royal flushes would mean the nuts, and so we would rarely ever hear the term considering those are extremely rare hands.

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Actually, what you said is not entirely true. There are boards where top-set is the nuts. Example: Ks Jc 8c 2d 3h. In such a case, the nuts is trip Kings (there are no straight, flush, or quads possible with that board).

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A straight flush was possible in this hand! Look again, Mister!

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People, stop wasting time on this thread. The Nuts is not a technical word in the English language; it's a slang poker term. If you don't believe me, look in the dictionary for "nuts;" there will probably be no reference to poker.

It is common to refer to the best hand at the table as the nuts (just ask Doyle Brunson). It is also common to refer to the absolute best possible hand (given a board) as the nuts.

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hey jst so everyone one knows THE NUTS are the best possible hand of the players that are active....miami had the nuts cuz she had the best possible hand of the 2 active players. geez people need to learn their poker

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well ignorant downfall man! try reading the previous messages!!

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Was just watching a replay of the 2003 WSP. At one point, short-stacked Sam Grizzle makes a small, desperate bluff with nothing. Phil Helmuth, who has the Ace of Clubs just caught the 5 of Clubs on the river (which gives him the biggest flush), but also pairs the board (meaning a full-house is possible). After some deliberation, Phil tosses in a chip to call Sam's bluff, and takes the small pot.

It seems Phil weak-called instead of raising Sam all-in, to prolong Sam's eventual exit (they don't like each other), since there was little indication that anyone had a full-house. Whatever his angle, he referred to his hand as "the nuts," then a moment later corrected himself and said, "the nut flush I mean, there was a pair on the board."

So, if the great Phil Helmuth can incorrectly use the term "nuts," why can't some tourist who's distractedly checking out Miami's fine departing ass?

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You idiot! You just contradicted yourself! You are trying to say that Sam made a mistake. But, you also said that he corrected himself, showing that the nuts wasn't the correct term to use. How stupid can you be?

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I've been reading this whole thread with some amusement (can't believe how riled up people can get about such small things) but haven't posted anything, but I just want to add a few things really quickly...

Dizzare12, YuniGuniKid was actually saying that PHIL mistakingly used the term, and used that to make the point that if a seasoned vet like Phil can make a mistake like that, then the "Random Tourist" character in a television show certainly could. Several people have made the point that maybe it wasn't that the producers of the show made a mistake with the term but that the character within the show itself used the term wrong, and although you've ignored that possibility many times, it seems to makee sense to me. Random tourists might not necessarily have all the poker terms completely mastered.

I also wanted to add...dude, settle down. You've spent a full month now arguing about the possible misuse of a term in one short scene in one episode of a television show; furthermore, it's a poker slang term and there is no one true source for the definition of such terms, so in a case like this when the term is often used in more than one instance (one that states the best hand on the board and one that states the absolute best possible hand) there isn't always one clear answer. And even if there is, and even if you're right (I think you are), I could never imagine someone getting as worked up about it as you are.

Just remember what an old wise man once said about how arguing on the internet is like performing in the Special Olympics. And if you haven't heard that one before, look it up...

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Well said Colin...that about sums it up....

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Hey, revivebill, or Dizzare12, or whatever name you're hiding behind. Wanna play heads up?

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I'm going to write a letter to all dictionary makers with a request to add to the definition of nuts with: The best possible poker hand given the community cards. This will settle the argument once and for all, unless they don't put it in. :(

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You go, nkctndm. While you're sending it to dictionaries, why not submit it to IMDB as a goof.

Lol, they'd probably list it as "Errors made by characters (possibly deliberate errors by the filmmakers)," but let's see...

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I find it simply stunning that all of you ahve all this free time on your hands. Oh to apparently never have to work or do anything but critique television shows.

AND WHATEVER HAPPENED TO PEOPLE SIMPLY ENJOYING A SHOW FOR THE SAKE OF ENJOYING IT????? PERHAPS ENGLISH CLASSES ARE REQUIRED SO THAT YOU CAN ALL LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WORKS OF FICTION AND TECHNICAL WORKS!!!

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there's a problem with that. you can't enjoy a show that is so poorly made. the writing was awful and plotlines were so transparent....i have no analogy, but very transparent.

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