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Most appropriate reaction: 'protect the presidency!!'


-Mr. Bush was already informed, in his motorcade traveling to the school, that a HIJACKED plane (NORAD, the FAA, the Pentagon, the White House and other organizations already knew of the hijackings) had flown into one of the World Trade towers.
-He was briefed again by an agent as his entourage walked into the school.
-Later, as we have all seen over and over, Mr. Bush was warned that a second HIJACKED plane was flown into the second World Trade tower.
-People argue about how stupid/indecisive/heroically stoic he was in those minutes that followed as he stayed with the children to read "My Pet Goat".
-My thoughts are the following: shouldn't everyone's reaction, including staffers, agents and the president himself, have been "we must protect the presidency - the leader of the american people - at all costs"? With two hijacked planes flown into well-recognized american symbols, and TWO MORE HIJACKED planes flying about, wasn't it very possible Mr. Bush was a target as well? The president's daily itinerary was available to his staff, the school, reporters; shouldn't they have assumed the president was in danger?!
Unless, of course, Mr. Bush knew otherwise...

-For those idiots who will dismiss these FACTS as the rantings of a ultra-partisan left-winger I say visit this web: hxxp://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday

World governments have always been corrupt, greedy entities in cahoots with the rich and powerful to keep their subjects in check; but never before have they held such power over its people. The Internet is a great, invaluable tool of knowlegde; they know this and are desperately trying to limit our access. Time for revolution, folks.

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You are right, we should protect the presidency from right wing idiots such as bush. He has destroyed what being the president of the US is all about He has shown us that if all he does is instill fear in us, he can controls us into becoming right wing as he is. He is a conservative right wing jerk that has flushed this country down a very disgusting toilet. Btw, he was reading that book upside down, (prolly wasn't even reading anyway, we know how much he loves reading the news). His look was one of (hmm what do i do, i dunno, let me ask someone with an iq of over 40, maybe these kids will know, atleast they have more common sense). He had a dumb founded look on his face b/c he had not been given the skills to think for himself. Even if bush was a possible target, he woudl have been protected, so who gives a damn about him anyway. This is by far the most corrupt gov in US history, including that of the nixon adminstration. This government has lied, cheated(remember 2000), stolen, been responsible for natural disasters(lack of responsivenes to katrina, not properly funding the reconstruction of levees to protect lives in new orleans). the list goes on..argue with that..if u dont think something is wrong with this president, something is wrong with you

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Well said dkmehta.

Hell of a thing killing a man. You take away all he's got, and all he's ever gonna have.

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All right dkmehta... let's bring the anger level down below the drooling point. One who is writing a piece to show someone else's lack of intelligence should at least know that "probably" is a word in the English language and "prolly" is not.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/bushbook.asp
According to this source, the image of the book upside down was doctored. Whether it's right or you are right, this illustrates something we should all be aware of: we can't believe everything we see on the news or the internet.

I'm quite certain that I could film someone doing something and make them look really smart or really dumb depending on how I edited it. That's how they make reality TV so compelling - play up certain aspects of people's personalities after filming them for a week and condense everything to a 48-minute timeslot. I've known some pretty low IQ people; I doubt they could earn a degree from Yale or learn to fly fighter jets.

In any case, a rational argument with facts will always ring more truly than a stream of bile with no continuity or logic of position.

- The administration cheated in 2000? I'm assuming you mean with the election, but I think the Clinton Administration was still in place at that time. And if there was wrong-doing, point me toward the facts.

- The administration was responsible for a hurricane? How many decades has New Orleans been below sea level? How many other presidents could we blame, if not for the fact that Katrina (by your admission, a NATURAL disaster) struck during Bush's presidency? Or, better, should we realize that there were a number of state, county, and local agencies that also failed to act?

- This is the most corrupt government in our history? I take it you haven't studied the administrations of Franklin Roosevelt or Abraham Lincoln. I'm not saying those were corrupt any more than I'm saying the current government is corrupt. But both of these presidents - and many others as well - served in times of great division. Today, they are seen by many as two of our greatest presidents, but many people in their day would have spoken out against them just as strongly as you have. But if you would like to discuss corruption, please point me toward facts, not rhetoric.

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NVlinns-1,

You need to get over yourself. 'Prolly' is online slang that dates back to the birth of the internet in irc chat channels. You can find it in the urban dictionary; it's not an unintentional misspelling as your ignorance of its etymology would have it.

You appear to set the bar pretty low for everyone due to your palling around with low IQ people, and it appears to have rubbed off. Of course we can't believe everything we read on the internet, we are each responsible for evaluating the information, taking into consideration source, logic, and empirical evidence as you appear to understand. Although you don't seem to grasp the subtleties and nuance of intentional exaggeration (aka sarcasm) of someone claiming Bush has an IQ of 40. This exaggeration was also intentional, but I'll leave it up to you to see if you can figure out why.

Even the most cursory reading of GWB's life and decisions would reveal someone whose lack of intelligence made him wholly unqualified to take the office of POTUS. Throw all politics aside and just use common sense and what we know to be true from what we have experienced the past 8 years. What we find is an incurious man, uninterested in the details of governing to the point of negligence.

You want facts?

For starters, 911 happened on his watch. It's well known now that Bush and other members of his administration had been warned repeatedly in CIA briefings beforehand of Al Qaeda's plans to hijack planes, with warnings coming even from the CIA director of the time George Tenet himself. Bush and others in his circle like Rice and Ashcroft blew this off and by refusing to even consider it a possibility to look into, well what does that tell you about his competence? Instead, he spent 40% of his pre 911 days on vacation.

The horrific part is that this continued uninterest in any details of governing became a recurring theme throughout his presidency and he was even re-elected! He was told repeatedly of the lack of WMD evidence in Iraq and as we know from the Downing Street Memos, he had decided to invade Iraq regardless of this fact instead choosing to sell the war to the American people based on a lie. He incompetently pursued his 'war of choice' instead of going after our immediate enemy Bin Laden who is still at large. He put absolutely no forethought into planning for the following occupation of Iraq, leading to widescale disaster. He didn't have the slightest inkling of what the consequences of his actions might be, due to his ignorance of *beep* history, and that he was ultimately empowering Iran. He then pressed for war with Iran EVEN AFTER he knew the NIE concluded that Iran had shut down their WMD program in 2003, but the report had not been released to the public yet.

The way he responded and the personnel he appointed to FEMA that dealt with Katrina was of utmost incompetence. He made appointments based on party loyalty rather than competence, leading to his horse association appointment of 'Heckuva job Brownie'. Cronyism, and the obvious corruption that follows from this, were rampant in his administration in this regard. Billions of taxpayer dollars spent in Iraq just disappeared due to the extent of corruption and lack of oversight on contracts there, to the nobid contracts awarded here where Halliburton and the rest overcharged for services.

And due to his lack of attention to details, they were left to his cabinet to deal with and they dealt with them poorly due to infighting and his failure to care enough to resolve disputes between his top level officials.

Again, we see the final result of injury from his insulting incompetence by his failure to pay any heed to the very obvious warning signs behind the current global economic crisis, including ignoring the warnings he was given by congress members of an impending housing bubble and mortgage crisis that manifested before our very eyes. It was HIS appointments such as SEC chair Chris Cox and the latter's utter lack of oversight (just like his boss) to properly police the securities industry leading to the Madoff scandal. It was HIS decision to give a virtual blank check of 700 billion to his treasury secretary to bailout financial institutions with no strings attached. And don't for a minute try to offload blame on a dem congress or Clinton. Democrats supported the bailout, but it is the PRESIDENT that is responsible for ensuring the details of an arrangement where strings are attached WITH TEETH and not a blank check. Clinton did away with Glass-Stegall because of his proactive approach with working very closely with the Fed and acting on the prevailing wisdom of economists of the time, especially Alan Greenspan, that unfettered market forces would police itself but he always had an eye on the markets and the details to ensure its upkeep and smooth sailing. Bush didn't have such capacity to even understand underlying economic principles like the Laffler curve to know what details and warning signs in the market to look for, not that he would even have the slightest interest in them if he did. Nope, instead he was like Nero and Hoover in the respects of fiddling while Rome burned.

How much more evidence or 'facts' do you need that this man was incompetent and outrageously unqualified as a manager, much less the leader of the free world?
Seriously, your pitiful defense of using the divisions in popular opinion at the time of Abraham Lincoln and FDR's administrations as examples simply does not apply here. Both of the presidents you describe emphatically and unquestionably won the wars they were managing, and the competence they displayed as Commander in Chief in conducting their wars was recognized and praised each in their respective times. Without finishing either the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq, and instead making the US a global pariah and a target for a new generation of Jihadists Bush has only increased the threat of terrorism. FDR's New Deal was massively popular and well received during his kadministration for stimulating the economy out of the Great Depression. Even mentioning GWB in the same breath as presidents like Lincoln and FDR is insulting to every educated American. GWB doesn't have even a hint of the managerial skills and competence that those greats had. There might have been disagreements with their opinions on issues of the times for them, but there was never a question of outright competence. From the facts we have, it's more appropriate to compare Bush with Warren Harding; lazy, incompetent, and corrupt.

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