Fifty-nine deceits

"Kos shot that down"


Man, that makes me laugh!

Yup, that’s right. DailyKos debunked these. So for those who can be bothered, go to DailyKos and do some searches, and weep as the alleged deceits crumble one by one.

of over 1000, or 2000 points that Moore makes in Fahrenheit 9/11, Kopel was able to crack 59??

hmmm... a little embarrasing.


-some of the points, and how important they are-:

1."The Gore “victory” rally isn’t celebrating a Florida win. It was held before the polls had even opened."

DAMN, that just changed my entire perspective of the movie!!... NOWHERE did Moore sayd that they were celebrating a florida win, this one of those points in wich Moore supposedly "makes it seem like...", "Gives the impression...", "Emmiting high sensitive brain washing waves, Moore brainwashes us into believing that...". Even so, how really is this important enough to change the entire point of the movie?, beats me

3. A 6-month study by a consortium of major newspapers shows that Bush would have won the Florida recount under any of the terms which Gore sought in his lawsuits.

This part refers to the point (wich was changed from the original Kopel article) in wich it denies that "in every scenario, Gore won", problem is: MOORE NEVER SAYS THAT!. He shows footage from a pundit talking about it, nothing else. What Moore says is "although numerous independent investigations gaved the victory to Gore", wich is hardly saying that "in every scenario...".

35."John Ashcroft didn’t really lose a Senate election to a “dead guy.”"

He actually did lost an election, and his oponnent was dead. Thus= he lost a senate election to a "dead guy" (is this even a point??)

39."Moore say Saddam’s Iraq “had never murdered a single American citizen.” In fact, Saddam paid for terrorist bombers
in Israel who murdered Americans, along with people of other nationalities. Saddam also sheltered the American-kill-ing terrorist Abu Nidal, and the bomb-maker for the 1993 World Trade Center bombings."

In fact nothing Ted, the americans killed in Israel were killed in Israel, no here. In all cases never did Iraq actually planned any of these killings, they are all allegations.


45."The only Iraqi casualties which Moore shows are civilians,
although military casualties far outnumbered civilian."

actually not, civilian casualties were around 48.000+, while military casualties for Iraqi forces were around 5000+. Coalition casualties are around 3000+.


47."A humorous sequence making fun of tiny countries in the Iraq liberation Coalition does not even mention the major countries in the Coalition, such as the U.K., Australia, Italy, and Japan."

Actually not (again), of all countries, it was just America the one who sent the most troops (with the UK being second). Proof?, american casualties are 20-30 times bigger than all of these countries, meanning that all in all, America is pretty much alone doing the fighting.

American casualties (so far): 2,741
from the UK: 119
from other countries:119 (32 Italian, 18 Ukrainian, 17 Polish, 13 Bulgarian, 11 Spanish, 6 Danes, 4 Salvadorans, 3 Slovaks, 2 Australians, 2 Dutch, 2 Estonians, 2 Romanians, 2 Thai, 1 Fijian, 1 Hungarian, 1 Kazakh, 1 Latvian)



49."The scene of American soldiers making fun of a man underneath a sheet is not torture of a prisoner of war. They are making fun of a drunk who passed out in the street."

Moore never refers to it as torture, this movie came up before the torture scandal. And even so, torture did happend, and it probably still happenning.



52."While making false claims about a Bush pay cut, Moore omits the fact that Bush sought and won a 3.7% military pay raise in 2003."

Gee, you are right Ted, Moore did omit the part were Bush cuts down several budgets, such as education, for example (3.2 billion budget cut). What would we do without you Ted?



57."Moore calls Flint, Michigan, “my hometown.” In fact, he grew up in Davison, a much wealthier and much whiter suburb".

Actually Davison is just outside of Flint. But how remarkable the way that you tell us not to believe in someone based on where he grew up (man we better not believe in Ted... his surname starts with a K, like in KKK, see im already debuking this using the "Koppelmaster 3000").



58."In Fahrenheit, Moore pretends to support our troops. But in fact, he supports the enemy in Iraq-the coalition of Saddam loyalists, al Qaeda operatives, and terrorists controlled by Iran or Syria-who are united in their desire to murder Iraqis, and to destroy any possibility of democracy in Iraq."

This is nowhere to be found in Fahrenhype 9/11 Ted, have we becomed chauvinists all of the sudden???. The only way Moore could had truly supported "terrorists" is if he had given any money to them.

59."As reported in the trade journal Screen Daily, affiliates of the Iranian and Syrian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah are promoting Fahrenheit 9/11, and Moore’s Middle East distributor, Front Row, is accepting the terrorist assistance"

THIS IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN FAHRENHEIT 9/11!!!... how is this a "lie" Ted??. If a group of nazis see this movie, does that mean that Moore himself is a nazi?. You are just confussing yourself there Ted.

So its pretty much just 57 points, if we consider that points 58 and 59 never show up in the movie and that they are misquotes and misinterpretations of Koppel. If we consider that most of these points arent actually important whatsoever ("Moore grew up in Davison" for example), then we have here probably less than 10 real points. Truth is, the 59 points (actually 57) work very well if you never actually read them or investigate a little bit to see if they are true to begin with.

If we consider that Ted manufactured and outright lied in his 59 points, with what moral does he attack Moore saying that HE'S the liar. Its just too much for me, all these things end up backfiring in the end.

Says the racist Democrat!

Honest Democrats don't like F 9/11.