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For people who only like to Bash

posted 8 years ago by tapswilsonhawes
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This is for people who obviously don't understand the purpose of the show or anything about the paranormal for that matter. The whole purpose of the show is to watch how an investigation is done in the paranormal, and it focuses on the members only. Simple. That's why the camera's are always on them BECAUSE IT"S ABOUT THEM!. The paranormal don't perform on cue, and when the team sees or hears things that only they can hear, is because they are there in person, and we're watching on a bloody TV! There's a huge difference between psychically being in a location and watching something on TV. It's not gonna be the same. And audio and visual stuff is not always picked up on camera or audio devices. Sometimes you only hear it with the ear or see it with the eyes but the cameras never pick it up or vise versa. I've been a paranormal investigator for years, and what they do on the how is how it's really done. It's just they don't show you everything that goes into it obviously. An episode takes roughly 2 weeks to film. Depending on the size of the location or the severity of the claims, TAPS will investigate the location anywhere from 2 to 9 days, so they can have a chance to catch something. And during those days, they will wear similar cloths to make it look like they were only there for one night, so it's easier for the editors to edit it. There are A LOT! of investigations that never air on TV because they never caught anything or SYFY didn't want to air it for whatever reason.

And when it looks like they catch something right off the bat in the beginning, that my friend is called editing. They edit and only keep in, what they think is entertaining. Sometimes what happens in the beginning, could be 5 hours into the investigation, on whatever night they were there. It could the 1st night, the 5th night, the 3rd night etc.. They just never make it clear on the show, because it's supposed to look like they were only there for one night. TAPS always never knows what's happening in the editing room. They edit the show they way they do, to make it entertaining. Simple. Because, if they didn't make the show all glossy and flashy, then it would be pretty damn boring to watch people in the dark investigating. But they add all that stuff to make it visually appealing. And they reason they (We paranormal investigators) investigate in the dark, is for 2 reasons. 1: Because that's the only time we actually have because we work all day. 2: Paranormal happenings usually occur between 8pm to 6am. Why? Because when people get out of work, and are home relaxing and clearing their minds, and the noise and the rush of the day dies down, that's when people begin to notice things that otherwise they wouldn't because their either out of the house working, or doing *beep* and just plain busy, where they don't notice it at all or that much. That's not to say it don't happen during the day, because it does.

Of course people are going to make fun of the show and say it's fake (Even though those people are just ignorant *beep* with no proof whatsoever. They just like running their mouths.) because it's on TV. "Oh it's on TV, so it must be fake!" That my friend, is just stupid thinking.

[–] jdh2425-445-184688 8 years ago

The purpose of this show is to make money. There are no such things as ghosts.

[–] tapswilsonhawes 8 years ago

Says you. You never had your own personal experience. I have, and I can tell you, they do exist. All a skeptic is, is someone who never had their own personal experience. You just don't have an open mind. And don't bother trying to convince me otherwise, because until you have stared it in the face, you can't tell someone that has, it doesn't exist.

[–] michelle_31 8 years ago

You can't expect reasoned arguments from a troll. Anyone posting their opinions as unassailable absolutes (i.e., "there is no such thing as...") are utterly incapable of reasoned dialogue.

IMDB's ignore user button = priceless :)

[–] jdh2425-445-184688 8 years ago

That is true. Until I actually see it, or until the scientific community discovers and publishes actual proof, I will be a skeptic, or as I'd rather be called, a realist.
And moreso about the show, it is not a documentary. It is blatantly obvious it is a PRODUCED tv show designed to entertain and gain viewers, therefore profits.

[–] tapswilsonhawes 8 years ago

When it comes to the paranormal, there will never be enough proof for a skeptic. You can have the best evidence in the world, and you're always going to have people who shoot it down, and say it was faked. It's just sad that people have to argue about it. People need to learn to meet in the middle, and try to figure it out and stop insulting each other. It's ridiculous. And when it comes to the show, we have no idea if it's truly produced or if it's 100% real, because we are not there when it happens. It's all speculation. I just wish people would stop trying to convince others that what they say about the show is fact. Let people believe what they want to believe. Simple. I also wanted to say, is that if they were going to fake evidence on the show, it would be a lot more impressive that just a little footstep here or a whisper there. Or a little shot with the thermal there. As I've said before, I've been a paranormal investigator for years, and what they usually catch on the show, is what we usually catch in real life. It's not phenomenal but it's neat. Just saying lol

[–] jdh2425-445-184688 8 years ago

"And when it comes to the show, we have no idea if it's truly produced or if it's 100% real, because we are not there when it happens. It's all speculation."

That sounds good and reasonable, but if you know ANYTHING about the industry (Tv & film), you can easily see how this show is put together and made up to produce a final product whose one and only objective is to gain/keep viewership thus keeping ad time profitable.

It's like someone going to a magician's show, and since no one said it was 'fake' or showed how it was done, believing the only alternative was that the magician was truly gifted with the special powers he performed in front of everyone's eyes! They saw it for themselves! He SAID he was gonna float in the air and he did! He never said it was a trick! He even said he needed to concentrate on his mental powers because it was all his mind control giving him the supernatural power to levitate! SO IT MUST BE TRUE!!!

But it's NOT true. It's a PERFORMANCE, designed and produced to make money. Just like wrestling was for all those years when the wrestlers and everyone involved SWORE it was all real, until Vince McMahon took over and admitted it was all a show. The smart people knew all along that wrestling was 'fake' and only for entertainment, but millions of people still swore it was totally real, until those involved actually spelled it out for them! (given today's society, I wouldn't be surprised if there're still some people who think wrestling is real. Probably magicians too, however, I'll add a caveat to my example above. Not until recent times have 'magicians' changed their name to 'illusionists', and generally no longer claim to use supernatural powers to perform their tricks. I dont remember when the change happened, but in the 70's, magicians were highly offended if anyone challenged their other-worldly powers and suggested they were simply using sleight-of-hand and special props. Remember Uri Gellar and the rest?)

You can believe what you want about the paranormal, but the TELEVISION show is a set up production and NOTHING seen on TV has been a real 'ghost'.

[–] G-angel 8 years ago

So jdh2425-445-184688...based upon you requiring actual proof...I guess then that in your opinion there is no such thing as God, or the moon landings.

"God must love stupid people because he made so many of them"

[–] jdh2425-445-184688 8 years ago

Keep guessing. That's probably your problem.
My opinions of God and the moon landings have nothing to do with this show.
This show is FAKE - produced for entertainment purposes only. It's really as simple as that.
If you don't believe me, come out to Hollywood and join a production crew for any of the production companies. Maybe then you will understand how these shows work.
NOTHING you saw on this TV show was a ghost.

[–] G-angel 8 years ago

I am not talking about the show as to whether it is real or not. I am referring to your comments about ghosts. In particular the comment.

"That is true. Until I actually see it, or until the scientific community discovers and publishes actual proof, I will be a skeptic,"

So back to my original comment..Do you believe in God based upon your above comment? And if yes then why can't you believe in Ghosts or life on other planets (not saying alien visitors)

"God must love stupid people because he made so many of them"

[–] spasek 8 years ago

Then you would have to admit that you also can't say that "there are no such things as ghosts." At best, you can simply say that you "don't know." You have no proof either way. Nothing wrong with being a skeptic, but saying that there isn't "something" without proof is just as ignorant as saying that there is "something" without proof.

[–] haze58 8 years ago

You never had your own personal experience. I have, and I can tell you, they do exist.

How do you know what you experienced was a ghost?

Couldn't it have been something else?

Have you explored non-paranormal explanations?

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[–] tapswilsonhawes 8 years ago

When I go into a paranormal investigation, I have the same mindset that TAPS has. I try to find reasonable real world explanations for that's happening. I try debunk them. And a lot of the times, I'm able to. But when you're pushed with decent force, when you're standing in the middle of a room, doing an evp session, there is no reasonable explanation for that. Can I say it was a ghost that pushed me? No, but something pushed me, and there was nobody else in that room with me.

[–] haze58 8 years ago

Can I say it was a ghost that pushed me? No, but something pushed me, and there was nobody else in that room with me.

You being pushed is speculation, all you really know is you changed position, without conscious intent.

I once had a similar experience:

I was standing on a small step ladder putting up a ceiling light, when suddenly I got thrown off the ladder. I was unhurt but very confused.

A minute or so later, the homeower walks in very upset, and asks if I had felt the earthquake. There had been a small tremor, very unusual for the East coast.

With my field of vision fully on the ceiling above my head, I hadn't sensed any movement around me, and was oblivious to the shaking.

But when you're pushed with decent force, when you're standing in the middle of a room, doing an evp session, there is no reasonable explanation for that.

Often time explanations are unusual, but still quite reasonable.

And don't you think doing an EVP scan at the time, promotes a bit of speculation bias?

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[–] tapswilsonhawes 8 years ago

I love how you try to explain to me what happen, when what happened to me, and to you are 2 totally different scenarios. I know what I felt, and I know I got pushed. It even felt like hands touched my back when happened. You were not even there, when it happened, so what gives you the right to tell me, it was something else? I live in Vermont, and we don't get earthquakes (it's very rare, and if we do, it's not very noticeable.) I've been investigating for years, and I've never been pushed, until that particular investigation. I'm pretty sure you know what it feels like, when someone pushes you, don't you? When it happened to me, I fell forward and my head snapped back, as if someone pushed me with decent force. Trust me, when it happened, I looked around trying to figure out, what else could have done that to me, and nothing that I came up with made no sense., and as I've said, I was the only one in that room.

And it's not speculation. Until YOU have your OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, you can't tell someone that has, that it didn't happen. All a skeptic is, is someone who's never had their own personal experience. And I am skeptic, and I do try my hardest to disprove these things, but sometimes, you can't.

All I can say is this; the only way we will find out if spirits do exist, is the day we die. Because people today, are so thick headed and to be honest, morons, that all they want to do is argue, and try to tell everyone that they don't exist, when they have absolutely no proof that they don't. And the proof our investigators bring forth for the world to see, people are always going to shoot it down, and it say it's this or that or that we faked it. THEY WERE NOT EVEN THERE!. It upsets me, when people always have to be so confrontational. I'm not talking about you exactly, but I just have this on my chest and need to get it off my chest. I hope you understand where I'm coming from.

[–] haze58 8 years ago

I love how you try to explain to me what happen, when what happened to me, and to you are 2 totally different scenarios.

I wasn't trying to tell you what happened to you. I was relating what happened to me, and how the actual expalantion was quite unusual, but not paranormal.

And it's not speculation.

I looked around trying to figure out, what else could have done that to me, and nothing that I came up with made no sense., and as I've said, I was the only one in that room.

It's total speculation, you have no idea what actually caused you to fall, only how you reacted to it.

Because people today, are so thick headed and to be honest, morons, that all they want to do is argue, and try to tell everyone that they don't exist, when they have absolutely no proof that they don't.

You can't prove something doesn't exist. That is why the burden of proof is on the one claiming something does exist.

I hope you understand where I'm coming from.

I do completely. You had a strange, and I would expect frightening experience, for which you can find no explanation.

I just don't know why you are assuming it's paranormal, instead of simply unexplained.

[–] LaurieStrode1985 8 years ago

@ tapwilsonhawes, thank you very much for your post. We should compare notes sometime. Others too are welcome.

I'd also like to add that, why is it (some)people (who do) believe in God(or whatnot) are so quick WITHOUT proof that God exists or organized religion isn't FAKE yet do around telling people that God does exist because I'm sure that they too have NEVER EVER seen God. But I'm not here to convince otherwise. Just more or less asking a rhetorical question.

I, too have had my "paranormal"/ghostly/apparition experiences. For example, I once thought I saw a 'ghost' of the man who used to own my current home. He built it. And, he apparently loved his creation/home so much that when he moved, he had his house relocated to where it sits today. When my hubby and I were planning on moving, we were looking around at a few other houses but for some unexplained reason, I got some weird (good) vibes. This was not our first choice for our new home. When the house we orginally wanted was sold to someone else, I remembered our current home. Anyways, we were lucky enough to have this house. After a few months after moving in, we had a terrible storm and a huge tree got up-rooted and fell over. Serious enough we made the community newspapers LOL. We still have the article hanging on our fridge. The way the tree fell, it missed toppling on our house and cars.. It simply fell over in a voided area where it didn't cause damage to anything. A few years after this experience had passed, I was walking to the bathroom (which is down another hallway), I swear I thought I saw a figure of a man. He had just a head and shoulders. I don't remember if he had legs or not. I was surprised but not scared. I was talking to a neighbor who has lived here longer. I described my vision of the man in great detail as possible and he said that it sounded like the man who built the house and also lived and died in it. Needless to say I think I spooked the crap out of my neighbor. I had renovations done to the house and during that time, some workers had found some old photos and trinkets in the basement. I had met the previous owners and it didn't look like this stuff belonged to them. I don't understand why they didn't find this stuff? One other experience that happens on a regular basis are the voices of a man and woman having a conversation. There were a few times where I've heard my name being called or it was loud enough that it woke me up. For years I was convinced that my hubby thought I was crazy because he'd never heard the voices. When I was in another room in the house, I heard a conversation between a man and woman. I quickly ran to get my hubby and fortunately, the voices were still going. I felt vindicated when my hubby admitted that he too, after all these years, could hear the voices. He tried to rationalize it by saying things like maybe he left the tv or a radio on. No tv or radio was on. Besides the voices going on, there are also the dark/black shadows seen down the hallways and other rooms, the sounds of loud walking/footsteps on bare floors (we have carpeted floors except the kitchen and bathroom), the sound of my hubby's voice when he's not home. I look pretty silly shouting back at nothing LOL and things go missing (if I have my hubby ask me 'where did I last see it'? once more). The last house my hubby and I lived in, strange thing happened too like the dark shadows, etc. I would say that of all the things that have happenedin our home, none of it seems vicious or wants to do us harm. In fact, it appears protective and doesn't wish to do us harm. Whether that is to protect us or the house, I don't know which or if it's aware that we're here or we even exist to him/them. But without concrete proof to say it's the man who built and loved the house, who knows or if it's somebody else. Regardless, we respect the spirit(s) and welcome him/them enough to live in harmony.

Just so whoever knows, these occurrences don't happen every second, minute, day, week or month. Ghosts/appartions ARE NOT circus performers and don't just perform on command if I snap my fingers.

To those who have never had a personal experience, you have no idea what you're missing. But for pete sakes, don't BE bitter about it!

"Why me?...I mean, why me?"

[–] mcdemuth 8 years ago

One of the things that I have always disliked about the show involving TAPS is how investigations are always being presented as being done in ONE night. I think investigations need to be done several nights in row, just in case one night is a bust...

If the show is actually done over several nights, then, WHY don't they note this? I don't mind if ONLY the highlights of a week are shown in 45 min long episode. (Even one night involving several hours is already cut down anyway! What difference does it make?)

While I wish there would be investigations done during the daytime, when ghosts are only seen during the day... my biggest issue is, not with investigating at night, but with the teams investigating in total darkness...

When home owners report seeing ghosts roaming their homes in the middle of the night, are the homeowners walking around in TOTAL DARKNESS? NO! They usually have a least a night light on, or something... so they can see where they are going in the middle of the night, when they need to go to the bathroom and pee! You can't report seeing shadow figures if the room is in total darkness! DUH!

Teams need to look at the reports at a location, and try to do their investigations, based on how the environments were when the majority of the reports were made. If a home had several lights on... TURN SEVERAL LIGHTS ON!

I see no point in ONLY doing an investigation with ALL THE ELECTRICITY OFF.

As pointed out by TAPS, High Electromagnetic Fields can cause strange effects on humans, and ghosts can tap that energy to manifest. If you turn off all those potential fields, how can any investigation be legit? Especially the honest investigations that are not faked... Ghosts won't manifest without that energy!

At least do one night with the lights on, and the next night with them off... The more nights (or days) in each of those categories, the better too...