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where did the thousand dollars come from?


I may have simply missed some moment of exposition, but who was handing out thousand dollar donations? This beardless young man couldn't find a particular old man so, at the instructions of a rabbi (who may have been the same rabbi that Moshe consults later in the film, I'm not sure) chooses a number at random, which leads him to Moshe...what is going on? Is this a standard charitable activity within the Orthodox world? Or was his beardlessness supposed to indicate something otherworldly? (Obviously this was the hand of God either way, but I'm wondering if the young man was supposed to be a literal divine messenger.)

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No, Jews actually give tons of charity without any specific thing in mind but people in poverty. Activity like that go on all the time in Israel and in the US. The Rabbi was not the same as Moshe's.

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BS"D
(by the grace of heaven...)

I recognized the clean shaven man from other Israeli videos he has appeared in, & was momentarily distracted from the subtitles. I believe, however that an elderly man had just passed away & had left $1000 to be distributed to the poor.The clean shaven man was responsible for carrying out these wishes immediately, but was at a loss as to how to pick a recipient. The older man behind the desk was a superintendent of sorts and produced a huge list of poor tenants from whom he could choose. Still unable to decide, the man behind the desk said "pick a number!" The clean shaven man said "35" & and was urged to now count down the list. Simultaneously, of course, we see our desperate (yet faithful) couple pouring their hearts out to G-d & the result is a miracle. This scene gave me goosebumps & brought me to tears! G-d performs miracles EVERY DAY, yet we are not often privy to seeing them unfold before our eyes!

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This is just another simple-minded device to move this astonishingly stupid plot along. The thousand bucks came out of the feeble mind of the screenwriter, same place as the rest of the drivel

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Do people get really depressed when they're around you?

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Skunks,
I have to tell you, I normally just read people's posts and move along, but your simple yet on target reply made me laugh out loud. I'm still chuckling several minutes later.
Your comment is so appropriate for so many on these boards.
Thank you.

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that is so wrong... tzedakah (charity) like this is commonplace in religious communities, especially ones where the men spend all their time learning - they depend on the anonymous donations and support of others. around the high holidays the amounts go up because people need more to properly celebrate. anonymous charity is one of the biggest mitzvot, not a plot device!!!

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Dear Sharona,
I agree with your comment. Only want to stress that it not only is commonplace inside the religious communities, but also as a part of the contact between them and the "outside world".
<b>Tzedaka</b> (normally translated as charity although the exact meaning you surely know is <b>"justice"</b> ) is given always. Primarily to the nearer (community members and relatives) but is given to the rest of the world also.
And I know this first-hand.
Tzedaka has specific laws and customs (there are some wrote by the Rambam / Maimonides), and it's not an sometimes act, it's part of the daily life.
Of course this is a movie. A beautyfull one!

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I liked this movie very much but, being a Gentile largely ignorant of ultra-conservative Jewish ways, was left with two major questions about Hasid life. The queries posed about the thousand dollars and the informative replies to the same provided me with an answer to one of my questions. But I'm still left with the other question, for which I hope I will be forgiven. In short, what is Moshe's job? I see in the film that Moshe spends much time at the yeshiva, studying and praying. Indeed, early in the film, Mali berates Moshe for being so retiring with the bigwigs at the yeshiva, saying that another student there would have burned the place down if subjected to the same treatment as Moshe. So is going to yeshiva what Moshe does for a living? Or is that even the right question to ask? I know that ultra-conservative Jews in Israel enjoy a set of special privileges and even, in some cases, support from the government. Would that be the case with a man in Moshe's position? If not, how would he support himself and a family?

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I liked this movie very much but, being a Gentile largely ignorant of ultra-conservative Jewish ways, was left with two major questions about Hasid life. The queries posed about the thousand dollars and the informative replies to the same provided me with an answer to one of my questions. But I'm still left with the other question, for which I hope I will be forgiven. In short, what is Moshe's job? I see in the film that Moshe spends much time at the yeshiva, studying and praying. Indeed, early in the film, Mali berates Moshe for being so retiring with the bigwigs at the yeshiva, saying that another student there would have burned the place down if subjected to the same treatment as Moshe. So is going to yeshiva what Moshe does for a living? Or is that even the right question to ask? I know that ultra-conservative Jews in Israel enjoy a set of special privileges and even, in some cases, support from the government. Would that be the case with a man in Moshe's position? If not, how would he support himself and a family?


Speaking as a Jew, there are some Jews who learn in Yeshiva and are supported by the community. This is due to a belief that there should always be Torah learning in the world. So in essence, Moshe's job is learning in Yeshiva. What Mali was berating him about, was that the Yeshiva claimed Moshe wasn't "measuring up" and therefore did not receive as much as other students, and that the only reason the Yeshiva got away with it, was bc they knew Moshe wouldn't protest the fact that he didn't receive as much. Basically, she was saying, something to the effect of, 'stand up for yourself, and don't let them walk over you.'

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I just have to say, I loved this movie, I am watching it again, this was so powerful, miracles like these happen everyday, I am a christian, I love God so much and seeing the faith and love these people have made me love God even more, I loved the way Moshe spoke to God, just like a child to a father asking for answers, also the love he had for his wife was beautiful. Also, I was happy there was no nudity, cursing, and sex. This is a movie the whole family can watch.

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This is just another simple-minded device to move this astonishingly stupid plot along. The thousand bucks came out of the feeble mind of the screenwriter, same place as the rest of the drivel

A typical response from someone who doesn't believe in anything. How sad.

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Well, not entirely. It would be a plot device in this context. However, the concept of giving to charity during religious holidays is very common in many religions - obviously, it is strongly felt in this particularly strong religious community seen in the movie. Together, the leaders chose from a random list of (community dwellers?) a random name, to whom they will give the donation (probably a percentage of the year's collection?) without naming its source. The 'plot device' as some have called it did perform a function to move this story along, but it was also contextually placed and did not derail the story or seem to come from outer space. It fit right in with the rest of the orthodox and religious behaviors of the community.

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You're wrong.................it was Ed McMann%&#?*&@?>

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"This is just another simple-minded device to move this astonishingly stupid plot along. The thousand bucks came out of the feeble mind of the screenwriter, same place as the rest of the drivel"

If I'm interpreting you correctly, you seem to be objecting to the use of coincidence (or divine providence) to move a plot along. While such devices can be a sign of desperation on the part of the storyteller, by no means is that always true. It depends greatly on how much is set up in advance. If a giant boulder comes out of the sky and squashes the villain at the end of a film, it destroys the story's credibility. However, coincidences can be very effective if set up early. The thousand-dollar donation comes in the first thirty minutes of "Ushpizin," a film intended to explore the meaning of small "miracles" in ordinary people's lives. As such, it fits neatly into the whole structure of the story. It is not desperation, since that is what the film is about. It wouldn't work any other way.

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Maybe a better question would be, how likely is it that the rabbi would give all $1000 to a single person? Wouldn't it make more sense to give $100 to 10 people, or $250 to 4 people? I know the courier or whatever he was said he had to go out of town and was in a hurry to "unload" the money, but is that an acceptable excuse, since I'm guessing it was this guy's job to distribute donations all day long? Seems like poor planning to me.
Was it imperative that the money get distributed that day (I guess because Sukkot was coming up, maybe it was)?

I guess it is a cultural barrier more than anything. Americans are certainly charitable, but there is less giving in this manner of "here, do something with this $1000". That is a purer version of charity, that also requires a lot of trust that it will get to a deserving person. In the U.S., it is quite likely that such a donation would end up in the pocket of an unscrupulous person.

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"Wouldn't it make more sense to give $100 to 10 people, or $250 to 4 people?"
Not necessarily. When you think of it, how much good will $100 do a single person? How great will the collective joy be over such a quantity? With the lot given to one person, the joy is considerable, and the likelihood that joy and gratitude will be passed on to others is increased.

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Note also that the first thing Moshe did with his $1000 was to give $100 to Ben Boruch as charity.

Hardly an artificial plot device... My family and I have worked on charities like this for years specifically targeting the extra expenses of Passover and Sukkot for poor families in Jerusalem.

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I don't think it was a 'plot device' any worse than those used by established writers (eg, Thomas Hardy, when the whole course of a novel is changed because somebody pushes an important letter under a door and it goes under the carpet and so never gets read).

The great thing is the $1000 donation can be looked at in two ways. To the religious person, it was divine providence in response to prayer. To the non-religious person, it is just chance, but a chance which has a huge effect on an individual.

Such things do happen in every day life - whether they are 'miracles' are not is open to debate, but to me there seemed nothing unrealistic about it.

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in response to gross-958-416406 (Sun Oct 16 2011 23:02:46)

Of course: Moshe receives some "income", and the first thing is to set apart "maaser". Just following the law.

May be a problem to understand if you don't know the customs.

Again, so enjoyable movie!



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Maybe a better question would be, how likely is it that the rabbi would give all $1000 to a single person? Wouldn't it make more sense to give $100 to 10 people, or $250 to 4 people? I know the courier or whatever he was said he had to go out of town and was in a hurry to "unload" the money, but is that an acceptable excuse, since I'm guessing it was this guy's job to distribute donations all day long? Seems like poor planning to me.
Was it imperative that the money get distributed that day (I guess because Sukkot was coming up, maybe it was)?


The younger man had just come from delivering many many envelopes to poor ppl, probably each containing $1,000. However, one of the intended recipients had just passed away so he had an "extra" envelop. The older man even said, 'oh yes, i forgot to tell you he died' and then they used the number method to choose Moshe.

that also requires a lot of trust that it will get to a deserving person.


the list the older man was a list of deserving families. obviously, Moshe and Mali were not in the first "batch" but if they were on the list, it meant that they were known to be deserving.

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