Animal Abuse
Loved the film, but was disgusted by the horse tripping and it is the only thing I can think of after the fact. In this era of amazing CGI, it is not necessary to trip horses for your film. Right?
shareLoved the film, but was disgusted by the horse tripping and it is the only thing I can think of after the fact. In this era of amazing CGI, it is not necessary to trip horses for your film. Right?
shareI didn't think anything of it until you enlightened me into doing some internet research.
I too am disgusted at this. While the movie is made internationally Magnolia (the american distributor - comcast, etc.) should take notice of movies that don't follow the same animal rights standards as american made movies.
Dang,, We haven't messed up our own country enough with this liberal 'Political Correctness' crap, now you want to shove it down the throats of people who fortunately aren't subject to our panty waist laws...
It's people like you that has turned this world to crap, where a person has to watch everything they say, do or feel else they offend someone else...
It's simple.. Thank god not every country has to put up with PETA laws.. As far as the horse is concerned (and I for one could care less) probably wasn't damaged (a trained horse is more valuable than most actors).. the tripping scene, was probably filmed for a lot less than what a convincing CGI shot would have cost.. (hiring a compitant CGI crew, outside of the states,, is actually more expensive for 1 or 2 scenes than in bulk) and you'd be more than likely be complaining about the low quality of the CGI.. I hope the Director was able to able to buy nice gas guzzling Jag with the money...
Because of people like you.. 'ILLEGAL ALIENS' now have to be referred to as undocumented immigrants.. What a laugh... They commited a crime to get here and they have no intention of filing immigration papers...
Women no matter what their own reputation can now claim any man, of any reputation said or did this or that.. And without being convicted, He's automatically quilty of Sexual Harrassment or even the more obscure Improper behavior...
People like you have no right making any comments about any movies, foreign or domestic...
There's nothing politically incorrect about abusing animals. The environment, plants, fellow man... we're all a part of the same ecosystem, and we should respect that.
Caveman is commenting on another subject. I actually agree with some of his 'politically correct on overboard' views, it just doesn't pertain to this thread.
Man some of you just make me laugh. You hear some broadcaster say something that resonates with you and without thinking you jump on their bandwagon without even thinking about what you are saying yourself.
I looooooove this one...
It's people like you that has turned this world to crap, where a person has to watch everything they say, do or feel else they offend someone else
"Thank god not every country has to put up with PETA laws."
Because of people like you.. 'ILLEGAL ALIENS' now have to be referred to as undocumented immigrants.. What a laugh... They commited a crime to get here and they have no intention of filing immigration papers...
Women no matter what their own reputation can now claim any man, of any reputation said or did this or that.
People like you have no right making any comments about any movies, foreign or domestic.
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I liked your reply. Allthough the caveman won't learn, it is nice to see intelligent civlised people getting angry from time to time. At least I'm not the only one.
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Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? - Who watches the watchmen?
This is the false idol you worship;
Political Correctness: The Scourge of Our Times
Agustin Blazquez with the collaboration of Jaums Sutton
Monday, April 8, 2002
Does anyone know the origins of Political Correctness? Who originally developed it and what was its purpose?
I looked it up. It was developed at the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt, Germany, which was founded in 1923 and came to be known as the "Frankfurt School." It was a group of thinkers who pulled together to find a solution to the biggest problem facing the implementers of communism in Russia.
The problem? Why wasn't communism spreading?
Their answer? Because Western Civilization was in its way.
What was the problem with Western Civilization? Its belief in the individual, that an individual could develop valid ideas. At the root of communism was the theory that all valid ideas come from the effect of the social group of the masses. The individual is nothing.
And they believed that the only way for communism to advance was to help (or force, if necessary) Western Civilization to destroy itself. How to do that? Undermine its foundations by chipping away at the rights of those annoying individuals.
One way to do that? Change their speech and thought patterns by spreading the idea that vocalizing your beliefs is disrespectful to others and must be avoided to make up for past inequities and injustices.
And call it something that sounds positive: "Political Correctness."
Inspired by the brand new communist technique, Mao, in the 1930s, wrote an article on the "correct" handling of contradictions among the people. "Sensitive training" – sound familiar? – and speech codes were born.
In 1935, after Hitler came to power, the Frankfurt School moved to New York City, where they continued their work by translating Marxism from economic to cultural terms using Sigmund Freud's psychological conditioning mechanisms to get Americans to buy into Political Correctness. In 1941, they moved to California to spread their wings.
But Political Correctness remains just what it was intended to be: a sophisticated and dangerous form of censorship and oppression, imposed upon the citizenry with the ultimate goal of manipulating, brainwashing and destroying our society.
PC Cuba
My first conscious exposure to Political Correctness was in 1959 – the first year of Castro's revolution in Cuba – while attending an indoctrination session at a neighborhood elementary school in Havana. There I learned for the first time of the claimed superiority of life in the Soviet Union vs. the U.S.
There I also learned that the word "compañero" (filtered version of the communist "comrade" – Fidel was denying his communist preferences) was the correct way to refer to the other members of the new Cuban society-in-the-making.
Mr., Mrs. and Miss were no longer acceptable, and their further use could reveal that you were not a Fidelista. Since repression and violations of human rights came roaring in right behind Castro's sweep down from the mountains in 1959, objection or rejection of Fidel Castro's revolution would (and still will) land you in a lot of trouble. You could easily lose your life in those summary executions at La Cabaña prison under the direction of Che Guevara.
But don't worry about Che. Che was later transformed and cleansed by the masters of Political Correctness. His likeness became a revered icon of the far left, with T-shirts and posters still adorning the campuses of America.
The same techniques were used to cleanse one of today's "heroes," Mumia Abu-Jamal (even if he was convicted, by overwhelming evidence, of killing a cop).
And under the pervasive guidance of Political Correctness that took hold from elementary school to university, from the media to the arts, from the country fields to factories and offices, Cubans learned to say what it was safe to say. Always in line with the overpowering state. Always following the dictums of the only political party left: the Communist Party.
The self-censorship resulting from Political Correctness easily trampled freedom of speech. Political Correctness has succeeded in Cuba by creating a uniform political discourse that has lasted for 43 years.
Political Correctness has given the state (Castro) complete control of speech. That is the main reason why the U.S. media cannot extract the truth of what Cubans really feel when they interview regular citizens and deceptively present their comments as valid to the American public.
The same was true in the former Soviet Union and the former satellite countries. The same continues in the remaining communist world.
It's nothing new. The U.S. media must know that, so why don't they openly report that fact instead of misleading the public? Perhaps that is the reason why the American people are so uneducated about the Cuban tragedy and acted regrettably during the Elian Gonzalez affair.
The PC U.S.
With profound dismay, I have seen how the scourge of Political Correctness has taken hold in the U.S. It is very well entrenched in our educational system, at scientific, religious and community levels, the media, the workplace and even our government.
It is changing the American society from within, and the citizens of this nation are increasingly censoring themselves and losing their freedom of speech out of fear of Political Correctness repression.
It is the nature of Western Civilization to be civilized – respectful of others and concerned with correcting injustices. We don't need Political Correctness to make us think we are not civilized on our own and must have our thoughts and words restricted.
In December 2001, in Kensington, Md., an annual firefighters Santa Claus festivity to light the Christmas tree was objected to by two families. The city council, in the name of Political Correctness, voted to ban Santa from the parade. Fortunately, due to citizen outcry, the decision was reversed in the end and many people protested by dressing up as Santa.
Logically and respectfully, how can one person's benign icon be objectionable to the point of banishment? Offer to add other people's icons. Make it a broader celebration. That's the Perfectly Correct American way.
The rulers of Political Correctness reach absurd levels when they refer to the betrayal of America by the spies Julius and Ethel Rosenberg – executed in 1953 – as "non-traditional patriotism"!
We see shameful situations created in our schools and universities in America that have fallen prey to Political Correctness. Some professors, students and publications are being attacked for expressing a point of view that differs from that imposed by a fanatical far left, under the guise of Political Correctness.
In schools and workplaces we see that "diversity" has degenerated into reverse discrimination, where often the less qualified are admitted and the incompetent cannot be fired. We have seen characters like Rev. Jesse Jackson shamelessly blackmailing and threatening to boycott entire corporations if they don't hire those selected by him or simply make "donations" to his organizations.
The Double Standard Emerges
Our Constitution requires the separation of church and state, which has always discouraged our public education system from teaching religion. However, in December 2001, while Christmas cards, symbols and decorations were being objected to for the first time in American public schools in Georgia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Minnesota and Oregon, in an elementary school in Texas, a girl was allowed to give to her classmates an overview and show a video about her Muslim religion.
And in January 2002, a public middle school in San Luis Obispo, Calif., had its students pretend to be warriors fighting for Islam. Another school near Oakland, Calif., also encouraged 125 seventh-grade students to dress up in Muslim robes for a three-week course on Islam.
This arbitrary double standard was applied in the name of Political Correctness following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
According to Ellen Sorokin's "No Founding Fathers?" published by the Washington Times on its front page on Jan. 28, 2002, even our Founding Fathers have fallen victim to the travesty. The article says of the New Jersey Department of Education's history standards,
"The latest revisions to the state standards have disappointed educators across the country, who said the board's exclusion of the Founding Fathers' names is 'Political Correctness to the nth degree.' "
Sorokin points out that "the standards specifically note that students should identify slavery, the Holocaust and modern Iraq as examples in which 'people have behaved in cruel and inhumane ways.' " Conveniently, communism is absent from that short list.
In another article by Sorokin, published by the Washington Times on March 10, "Report Blames Anti-Americanism on College Teachers," she presents two examples of upcoming courses for next spring and fall. They are " 'The Sexuality of Terrorism' at University of California at Hayward; and 'Terrorism and the Politics of Knowledge' at UCLA, a class that, according to its course description, examines 'America's record of imperialistic adventurism.' "
Recently, a historic photograph of the New York firefighters raising the American flag over the ruins of the World Trade Center was going to be made into a sculpture as a memorial.
But history's revisionists used Political Correctness to dictate that other minority faces replace some of the faces in the historical photograph! Fortunately, in the end that didn't fly either, due to the outcry of firefighters and the public.
The Goal of the PC Dictators
For people with the background and firsthand experience of living inside a totalitarian communist society, the tilt and goal of the dictators of Political Correctness in America are obvious.
The beneficiaries in the end will be the fanatic believers in the totalitarian state, who, in spite of the dismal failure of communism and the 100 million people exterminated pursuing that criminal system, have not given up.
Political and religious fanatics, as demonstrated by the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and the subsequent war in Afghanistan, are extremely dangerous in today's world.
All citizens who cherish liberty must reject the scourge of Political Correctness. Freedom of speech must be preserved in America if we are to continue to be free.
Let's say it: Castro is not a 'president,' as the U.S. media's Political Correctness calls him. Castro has not been democratically elected to anything in Cuba. The correct word to define him is 'tyrant.' He is not just a 'leader,' as the U.S. media also calls him. He is more of a criminal Mafioso-type character.
Why criminal? Because he has caused the deaths of more than 100,000 Cubans. Thousands have died through his support of guerrillas in Central and South America. Thousands of blacks were killed by Castro's soldiers in Africa. Castro in the 1980s introduced the use of bacteriological weapons to kill blacks in Angola.
How many thousands have died in America as a result of his drug trafficking into the U.S.? How many thousands have died all over the world due to terrorists trained in Castro's Cuba?
Former Soviet colonel Ken Alibek, who defected to America, was once in charge of the Soviet Union's production of biological weapons. In Alibek's 1999 book, "Biohazard," he revealed that with the help of the Soviet Union, in the 1980s Cuba created laboratories to produce chemical and bacteriological weapons of mass destruction – just 90 miles from U.S. shores.
The information about Castro's involvement with bacteriological weapons also comes from various independent sources. We must not forget either that Cuba is on the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist nations.
Why Mafioso? Well, Castro is like an untouchable godfather, surrounded by bodyguards and thugs and a private army of about 40,000 soldiers for his personal protection (roughly the size of the entire army of Cuba prior to 1959).
He stole foreign and national properties in Cuba. He has become one of the richest men in the world, according to Forbes magazine. He has created a despotic and corrupt elite to exploit the Cuban people and keep himself in power. He has made the Cuban people hostages and slaves of his corrupt regime.
The U.S. media do not call Al Capone "the former leader" of the Italian Mafia. Why the double standard with Fidel and other far-left regimes? The answer can be traced to where the sympathies lie – with the elite dictating Political Correctness in America.
It's one thing is to be educated, considerate, polite and have good manners, and another to be forced to self-censor and say things that are totally incorrect in order to comply with the arbitrary dictums of a deceiving and fanatical far-left agenda.
Let's preserve our freedom and say NO to the scourge of Political Correctness
So basically your a communist hippy!!!
To Caveman:
That was an extremely intelligent and well-written reply. My first thought was that imdb (with it's hordes of semi-literate and punctuationally-challenged (yes I know "punctuationally" is not a word) people) may not be the best place to have a thoughtful discussion devoid of personal or off-the-f'ing-point attacks (such as pointing out you used "your" instead of "you're" in the last line of your post.)
But then I realized that I don't know where on the internet that you can have a rational discussion where both sides provide insight and logic to support their perspective on any subject. Here's why: if you post somewhere where people disagree with you, inevitably the majority of the responses will be antagonistic and have no intention of enlightening you, but merely tell you why you're wrong. Conversely, if you post somewhere that people agree with you, people will agree with you. What point is there in that? You won't learn anything that might change your opinion (even if only slightly) and you won't be presenting an alternate view to everyone else on the site that may change their opinion (also, if only slightly.)
By the way, I love speaking parenthetically (yes it is a word; look it up.)
Q!
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You were obviously never taught what true Communism actually is. It's nothing against you personally, most people don't know what true Communism is and what it means to be Communist.
It's okay. The Powers that Be in this country would not have it any other way.
lol only poor and unsuccessful people want communism in western society. Especially people who dont want to work hard to get a good career.
People just want what others have without doing as much work.
How innovative would you be in life if you knew there really was no reason to be besides someone JUST saying "good job"
the basic problem of communism is life gets boring and there is no competition. Its a naive mindset, especially in modern times. It helps reinforce my believe that its just lazy, uneducated people that support it in the west. ESPECIALLY in america, where there are actually people who bitch about not being able to make ends meat (and having no kids or anything).
I am from canada and basically everything is 2-4x as much money, we make less money, AND we get taxed more. It's basically america hard version. So basically all canadians just laugh at americans when they act like life is unfair for them. I mean, they were bitching about gas prices like it was unfair and insane when they were paying 3.50 a gallon, meanwhile we were paying close to 6 dollars a gallon on less income, so its obvious how pathetic some americans are.
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I'm loathe to criticise a post that I agree with much of, but I can't let this stand:
"... there is no excuse at all to EVER to cause pain to another living thing for the amusement of anyone else, AND the majority of CIVILIZED SOCIETY will agree with that ..."
Factory farming causes pain to animals all the time and whilst that isn't for amusement, it is for pleasure. Getting into a rant about one injured horse when the people who made the film probably ate hundreds of animals while it was being made is faintly ridiculous.
Suck it hippie.
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i gotta say that basically every person online that bitches about animal abuse are always full of hot air and do nothing BUT bitch.
you guys are the ones shaking ur finger at everyone else, yet i guarentee you arent even vegan let alone someone who actually does ANYTHING for animals.
Just becuase you got ur cat at the pound does not mean you are an animal activist.
Usually people who are animal activists are people who do not understand the world and are trying to shove their own morality down other people's throats, regardless of culture, preference, CHOICE, etc.
I also gotta say that people who hate on other for "war" as if it was some kind of new problem showing up in humanity recently are the absolute WORST lol.
War is so much better than it used to be. You do realize that war used to be a bunch of people hacking at eachother with swords, then moving on to RAPE AND PILLAGE people like yourself. Its always people who have nothing going on in their life that always try to tell others how to live their life.
Get it through your head. Other countries have their own ways of doing things. Saying they should follow american standards just because you believe it to be morally right is so incredibly naive it makes me sick. If you have the money to pay for people to live the way you want, by all means tell them. Otherwhise ur just some moronic kid that doesnt realize that not everyone is as dumb and naive as you, and they need to live their lives even if you think its not the right way.
tl;dr. gtfo noob.
shareOOOHHH, caveman thinks he's a macho man because he thinks like a Rush Limbaugh clone!
Oooooh, your manly stance on political correctness makes me so HAAARRDD!!
Tough macho stud, you!
ONLY right wingers have big dicks - and liberals, as pointed out by big boy here, are little panty waist pussies.
The only way to be a man in this world, is to forever prove how tough you are!
ROOOAARRR!!!
ME BIG STUD BOY, HEAR ME ROOOAAARRRR!!!!
Please present a intelligible argument.. All I see you spouting is grade school name calling.. What are you some 9 year old?? That would explain your infantile post..
Either that or your a Political Correctness hippy,, whose done too much LSD to present anything resembling intelligent.. If that is the case, I must appologize.. I refuse to make fun of the mentally handicaped...
Hey Caveman
I dont want to talk to you intelligently. i wanna call you the *beep* you are.
I dont care if i get banned for it.. that felt good
twat
My point exactly...
none of you can generate an intelligent argument..
You just wanna whine and name call, like the emotoinal children you are...
*an intelligible argument...
There's a few more, but I'll let you find them yourself.
Once again the moromic masses speak up.. Not with an intelligent argument..
But with a vague implication an intelligent argument was made..
Yet too stupid to have located an argument they agree with and at least copy paste it themselves.. That is proof that the nay sayers are truely pathetic..
Good Movie though, innit? :-)
He's not the Messiah! He's a very naughty boy..
your username is "caveman"
dude, that's priceless, spot on.
kinda went off the rails with your argument but i sorta agree, if only on the animal aspect. animal abuse? i doubt tripping is not going to permanently cripple the horse, the stuntmen were probably hurt a lot worse than any animal on set.
The Dude Abides
Caveman, meet my ignore list.
sharei hope you die.. slow and painful
shareYou again, with you infantile little posts..
Are you even old enough to be posting...
Obviously you have don't have enough brain cells to generate proper argument..
All your about is school yard name calling.. that wont get you very far in the real word.. From your posts, I think you need to prepare yourself for your future careers - repeat ' do you want fries with that' untiol you can get hired..
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In the director's commentary for Conan The Barbarian, John Milius talks about the horses who trip and fall down a hill toward the end of the movie. He said that they used stunt horses who are specially trained to fall over, head over heels. According to him, the stuntmen riding them are far more likely to be hurt than the horses themselves, and that the horses actually seem to enjoy doing it.
So, assuming that that's true, there's nothing inherently wrong with having horses fall over in a movie. And I'm sure that John Woo was able to get those trained stunt horses for Red Cliff, what with his monstrous budget.
Were some of the horses actually hurt during the filming of that "mirror" scene, though? I haven't heard anything about that. In fact, I just did a Yahoo search and found information indicating that no horses were hurt in the filming of Red Cliff, and that John Woo ensured that all precautions were taken to keep the horses from being injured.
On the other hand, a stuntman was killed during filming of the final battle. Because of hot weather, hundreds of extras got heat stroke during filming. Instead of being upset about people being hurt or killed, though, you're upset that the horses APPEARED to be hurt (even though they were just fine).
If you're an animal rights activist, or at least feel very strongly about the welfare of animals, you should actually ENJOY the scenes with the falling horses. You can rewind that scene and replay it over and over again, laughing your butt off, because you know that the horses were having the time of their lives while the stuntmen riding them were scared out of their minds.
In support of what Danishjuggler is saying, I read an article a few years back about "stunt horses" who are specially trained to take front and side falls safely, and that these horses are used specifically for scenes in which horses tumble. I agree, short of that it is animal abuse, no question. I tend to think that in this case, given that it's John Woo and a movie with an enormous promotional budget, it is very likely that such precautions were taken. Think about it: This is the biggest-budgeted film in Asian cinema history. Why would the investors risk the bad publicity of abusing animals given their investment, knowing that this movie would be distributed in markets where that would be vilified?
I'm not saying that it absolutely didn't happen; I don't know. But I would be shocked to learn that, given what is now possible both in terms of technology and horse training, that such precautions weren't taken, all the more so given the visibility of this film. To the OP, I hope this helps allay your fears, which I certainly understand. As to the knuckle-dragging trolls here, you know it's best to ignore them, of course.
What, I don't get credit for mentioning that this was a trained stunt horse??
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As far as the horse is concerned (and I for one could care less) probably wasn't damaged (a trained horse is more valuable than most actors).. the tripping scene, was probably filmed for a lot less than what a convincing CGI shot would have cost..
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No, people ((Politically correctness freaks) aka communist hippies) with no legitiamate arguments just want to take juvenile potshots at my handle..
But then that is just what is taught in college, if you can't make a valid argument against your opponants point of view attack your opponant...
Lookup Political Correctness, it's history and use is well documented;
It was developed at the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt, Germany, which was founded in 1923 and came to be known as the "Frankfurt School." It was a group of thinkers who pulled together to find a solution to the biggest problem facing the implementers of communism in Russia.
If it's politically correct it's gotta be wrong!!!!
Hong Kong in known for hurting animals in films. I mean Sammo Hung has sacrificed many innocent creatures for the sake of entertainment.
shareLook up people against animal cruelty: you'll see the biggest communist freak in the land: Rush Limbaugh.
He EVEN donates money to organizations dedicated to stopping animal cruelty!
And there you were, thinking he hated the world with the same childish ignorance, bitterness and spite as you obviously do...
You really ought to get yourself checked out. Such obvious extreme self hatred can only lead to self harm - unless you get yourself some help.
You know what else "they" teach in college? Spelling, grammar, punctuation, and citing your sources.
Cutting and pasting from Newsmax doesn't make you an authority, but it does make you a plagiarist.
Like I've said before...
When tree humping liberals, like you don't have a reasonable arguement.. They don't stop trying debating, and start attacking the person they're bating..
You claim your an atheist and more intelligent than I am, lacking a valid way to compare IQs.. I submit this..
In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views. (Albert Einstein)
Compared to him, you truely are a tree numping drooling idiot..
"In the view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognise (sic), there are yet people who say there is no God. But what makes me really angry is that they quote me for support for such views. (Albert Einstein) "
Funny that you should use the words of a socialist to defend your point of view!
My views are very eclectic.. Because I don't 'think' any one group has all the right answers..
I take that back, followers of Ayn Rand's objectivism, most closely describe what I personally believe in... That the proper moral purpose of one's life is the pursuit of one's own happiness or rational self-interest; that the only social system consistent with this morality is full respect for 'individual' rights..
Unfortunately as I get older, it's proven to me that people on a whole are incapable of independant thought.. The massess are sheep.. Collage students are indoctrinated to believe a softer form of Communisum called Political Correctness... Collage Deans and Professors are always encouraging students to anonymously report anyone that says or does anything that makes them feel uncomfortable or just bad... Like one of my favorite T-shirts says - I'll try being nicer.. If you try being smarter.. I don't hide who I am, or what I think ..
It's like in the circus documentries they talk about the sideshow freaks.. How social do gooders complained about how the freaks were being exploited.. However the freaks themselves, put it this way.. They couldn't get normal jobs next to these social do gooders.. Kind of likt that show about the actress (she was in Total Recall) she's making her family life into a video circus for your intertainment.
Personally I believe 90% of the people out there are mouth breathers...
FYI- mouth-breather n. a stupid person; a moron, dolt, imbecile.
as a Randroid you might want to use rationale in your argumentation.
You can copy/paste another persons article that's all fine and dandy, but you haven't contributed anything yourself except showing us what a pathetic little racist you are. Please keep living in your own little world where everyone else is wrong because they aren't completly obsessed with themselves. And keep your argumentation like you've done here so everyone can see the small and narrowminded persons objectivism creates.
i do agree with the political correctness though let anti-social people like yourself spew all the hate they want so people quickly can identify them and
ignore them.
Now get back in the cave you troll
The hypocrisy of saying resorting to namecalling is childish and idiotic while resorting to namecalling yourself several times in this thread is hilarious. In the same post you said:
"When tree humping liberals, like you don't have a reasonable arguement.. They don't stop trying debating, and start attacking the person they're bating.. " - which is immediately contradictory.
As well as:
"Compared to him, you truely are a tree numping drooling idiot.."
If resorting to namecalling makes one an idiot, surely you must also be an idiot correct?
Get over it. Animals never trip? Or are you gonna come from the camp of 'how many times did they have to trip that poor horse'? I too am tired of the PC thinking in this country. If they were going to be held to our standards they could have filmed it here. Aside from the obvious (if it bothers you don't watch it) you are obviously clouded by something as mundane as horse tripping (this is TOO FUNNY. Gotta share this post) and missing the fact that when this actually happend there was horse tripping and, oh I don't know, killing. In the interest of Art they chose their own way to do this and it is NOT up to you or I to say otherwise. I say F the damn horses anyway, we need more glue
shareHell yeah! I got things that I need to stick to other things. If we could make glue out of kittens, that's be better. But, we can't. Hopefully science will catch up.
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Disregarding all the idiots with their "damn liberals!" and "dang.. I hate political correctness" commentary.. I'll try to stay on topic. Because matters of animal cruelty should not be confused with politics.. it's about common morality and should apply equally to the left-wing nuts, the right-wing nuts or even the dictator-nut.
ANYWAY!
I believe horses used for these kinds of stunts are highly trained animals that don't get harmed or stressed by falling. Mostly you can see them fall in a specific controlled fashion to avoid damage (they tend to "roll" to the side or front as they fall.. just like people do in some martial arts to avoid damage). They have been taught to do this on command and probably have done it thousands of times in training. This is combined with trick photography to make it look less controlled and/or a lot faster.
I noticed no signs of animal cruelty in this movie. And it did look a lot better with these live animals than it would have with a load of high budget CGI fakery.
More importantly.. I think we should worry less about the limited "might be" animal cruelty in movies and more about the lives of the animals we eat every day!
People care more for the animal than the human actor. I care about animals to a certain extent. You little whiney babies make me ashamed of even considering myself a liberal.
shareThis has nothing to do with politics! You are stereotyping against your own political affiliation. Saying that only liberals care about animals is just ignorant. Animal-lovers are at all ends of the political spectrum. You should be ashamed.. but only of your own prejudice nature.
shareWOW...this entire thread is a troll convention.
you are all idiots for the simple fact you hate each other based on prejudiced propaganda, when did "liberal" and "conservative" become an insult?
man i just want to take a club to all the trolls of the world
Yeah idiot.. and you can start with yourself! Think about it. That comment is just about the most "off-topic" (and thereby you are a troll) and prejudiced comment on this board. It only proves that you have not read and/or understood any of the comments here. Especially not the comment you just replied to.. which is saying exactly that political affiliation do not matter in this context!
shareThe horse-tripping "stunt" has always bugged me. Yes, horses have died from it. No, they don't "enjoy" plunging facefirst into the ground during a full gallop. No amount of training can make this either safe or enjoyable for a horse. Try it yourself sometime and see how much fun it is.
This isn't a matter of political correctness, which I despise. And I'm a Republican...we can care about animals, too.
As for whether the stunt is more dangerous for the horse or rider--the rider has a choice, the horse doesn't.
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Sigh again with the animal abuse bullcrap. Dont watch asian movies if you "trip" over that so hard. Asians dont care much for that. Real life dogs getting kicked in the head, life chickens getting the head chopped off, horses falling down in very unpleasant ways. And all because it fits the story.
Why nobody ever complaining when an actor has to be caried of to the hospital because an actionscene failed ?
Cant make a decent omelet without breaking eggs.
Personally I love asian movies because the realism is alot more in your face then hollywoods rules. And im not talking about ropefu or one guy slaughtering hundreds and hudnreds of trained spearmen with a shortsword. im talking about those little details, like horses tripping or chopping of a chickens head for a voodoo ritual.
I wanna see one medieval battlefield in a movie where theres not one horse tripping because its disgusting ... Wow, that gonna be a believable battle ...
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Shut the *beep* up
I have a friend who is very conservative, voted for Bush, loves Dick Cheney, hates Obama, owns guns, loves Sarah Palin ... and won't eat most kinds of meat because of animal suffering.
So, it really doesn't have to do with politics.
There is no need to harm or injure horses. Clint Eastwood was a leader in setting higher standard for not mistreating animals, and he's hardly a liberal. He simply believes that it's wrong to mistreat an animal just to make a movie. You don't need to.
If you watch American films, which follow a code, you'll notice that horses fall sideways. This is natural and doesn't injure them. It's when the horses are tripped by wires and fall forward that they can be hurt. It's needless.
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I was actually more concerned about that newborn colt.
As for the "stunt horses" mentioned above, I wouldn't count on the People's Republic of China using or having them.
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