Lets Diagnose Phoebe


For those readers who share my interest in the matters of the psyche, how about some ideas and discussions about the various psychopathologies that Phoebe exhibits?

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She's one twwwwwwisted little kitty cat. Displacement... Pretending to be someone else, inventing an entire life to fool someone and/or use them for their own bizarre end, schizophrenia quite possibly, maybe even a bit of Asperger's or Autism which could be indicative of why she has problems relating to other people?

The more I watch her, the more uncomfortable I feel - so I guess that's the sign of an actress who has really 'got' her character, her acting's really bowled me for six so to speak.

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"You'll best be puttin down that gun now... [click] Or we can talk some more"

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The word is "schizo", as in "schizophrenic". :) I believe she already had a condition before she did that. She obviously had a lot of repressed anger as well.

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My guess was Borderline Personality Disorder - with more than a little Antisocial PD mixed in...

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YES...she's a classic Borderline.

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...I did see her as a nut but...not that bad. I mean, I saw her as obsessive, posessive, BPD, but...I never saw her trying to be someone else. She invited him into her real work life, her friends and everything so..how is that being fake?

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I agree with WMP2304...BPD, but APD definitely as well. BPD isn't always THAT ruthless and extreme, I don't think.

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The photo she shows Ashad, she talks about "that day", was she talking about 9/11? The way she felt empowered, while all crumbled around her, in other words, she's behaving like a addict, fueled by the tragedy around her, and even her own, such as killing her own dog.

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Could her state of mind be a direct result of her friend's career and family success compared to her own stagnancy? It does appear that some of her coworker's rise came off her back, so could she have just "snapped"? It also doesn't help that her friend, while not glaringly self-vaunting, throws her accomplishments in her face.

There were a few gems in her confession to Ashad that helped with understanding her. She wanted some control. She had none at work or in her personal life. She also held a grudge against middle easterners for the 9/11 attacks. I found it disturbing how she was cruising for Indian cabbies to frame.

However, she also seemed hell bent on destruction. Why did she exit the cab to deface the limo? Was she jealous of the women laughing and enjoying themselves?

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I think you hit all the nails on the head with your intuition about this movie. I think her state of mind is a direct result of her friend's happiness, not only that, but think of the scene at the restaurant when her friend is telling her how grateful she is to her, and Phoebe is stabbing her own hand with her fork under the table.
About the scene with the women in the limo, she is hellbent on doing just that, destroying things-she defaces their limo just as she defaced her friend Phyllis's new Lexus SUV. Good points.

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Her state of mind was a direct result of her Borderline Personality Disorder. Here is the criteria for it, she fits it perfectly

1.Frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment such as lying, stealing, temper tantrums, etc. [Not including suicidal or self-mutilating behavior covered in Criterion 5]
2.A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterized by alternating between extremes of idealization and devaluation.
3.Identity disturbance: markedly and persistently unstable self-image or sense of self.
4.Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., promiscuous sex, eating disorders, binge eating, substance abuse, reckless driving, overspending, stealing). [Again, not including suicidal or self-mutilating behavior covered in Criterion 5]
5. Recurrent suicidal behavior, gestures, threats, or self-mutilating behavior.
6. Affective instability due to a marked reactivity of mood (e.g., intense episodic dysphoria, irritability, or anxiety usually lasting a few hours and only rarely more than a few days).
7. Chronic feelings of emptiness, worthlessness.
8. Inappropriate anger or difficulty controlling anger (e.g., frequent displays of temper, constant anger, recurrent physical fights).
9. Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms

She didn't hold a grudge about 9/11 she loved that day because everyone felt like she did. Everyone on 9/11 felt out of control and unable to function normally.

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The point that everyone here seems to be missing, is that her successful friend was just a loser from queens, and she was a buttoned up (or down/cant remember) Calvinist from bumblefahq Michigan. Her friend had at least been nurtured in the psychotic environment of NY, TV being no excepetion. But for a 'privileged' one froma place so sheltered (believe me, I've met these people) as Michigan, to wind up in New York, and in New York Televsion, well lets just say the transistion would not have been easy or realistically possible. At least to keep the 'sanity' that was taught to her in Michigan that is, for the possibble part. MIDWEST DOESNT MIX WELL WITH NY, and thats the facts. Until they become screwed up enough to fit in, that is...

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how can you objectively classify someone as having a disorder that is so subjectively defined? depending on how loosely you use the terms "frantic", "unstable", "chronic" or "paranoid" you could consider most people to fit most of those criteria. is the reason modern psychology is making up new disorders all the time with such subjective definitions so that the pharmaceutical and psychiatric industries can more easily market their products and services?

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You can't think of the DSM as the psychology bible. They view everything on a spectrum. the DSM is just a reference. It's not the end-all of psychology. But in order to treat these people you at least need figure out what it is that is wrong. Plus people like concrete diagnoses.

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She was obviously mentally ill before she allowed her circumstances to spiral her deeper into madness.

As far as the pressure of big city living causing people to snap, sure it happens, but not on this absurd level depicted in this film.

We are dealing with so many types of mental illness going on, people here are stepping over each other to define her characters type of mental illness! She's also self absorbed, arrogant etc. 'Everything' is about her, Meanwhile, in the scenes where she's dealing with Sandra Oh's character in the office, she appears awkward, withdrawn, beaten by her circumstances and just plain sad.

Of course, tying her mental illness in with both 9/11 and her over the top obsessive jealously about her co-workers successful career and happy marriage, brings her illness into a whole other level.

I didn't get what she was doing with the limo......did she pour some toxic chemical on the the car? I was expecting her to light a match at that point to blow up the car. Y'know...some random act of violence to show us just how 'sick' she was, a little something to prove to the audience she would kill 'anyone', not just a mid Eastern person.

What was the point of even scrapping the limo with her heel? The car didn't belong to the women laughing inside, she was hurting no one by doing that.

She sure was hell bent on destruction, others and perhaps her own.

She was so out of control, the last few acts made it appear as if she would eventually commit suicide, especially when she then got rid of the only thing she supposedly loved so much and obsessed over, her beloved dog. On the other hand, she was so mentally ill, did she really love that dog?


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She is a classic case of borderline personality disorder: passive-aggressive personality, inadequate personality, manipulative personality, multiple personality / ego confusion, "nervous" personality, sadistic personality. She suffers from depression, perhaps schizophrenia.

From all of her behavior, I think she could be categorized as a sociopath:

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

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p.s. with all respect I seriously doubt it is just because she is a midwesterner living in NY or has a dead-end job while her friend's career took off. There are thousands of midwesterners living in NY and they are not doing acts of domestic terrorism. Also I think that her stagnant career and personal life are a result of her psychosis not the other way around. After all her friend worked her way up from the bottom, they both started out sharing a cube in the same company and if anyone would have had an advantage it's all-American Phoebe not Chinese-American Phyllis. Also her friend even tried to set her up with a guy but Phoebe didn't give him 2 glances..she was too busy lusting after her friend's life to create one of her own...I agree her friend was a little snooty about her success but how many friends have you had like that...

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A miserable person who wanted to spread her misery on others, who was proud of the harmful influences her program had on the viewers and took joy in having the company of people more miserable than herself.

At the end, she said she hated herself, apparently as much as she hated others.

Simply put, she was a sorry hater.

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psychopath (plural psychopaths)

A person with a personality disorder indicated by a pattern of lying, exploitiveness, heedlessness, arrogance, sexual promiscuity, low self-control, and lack of empathy and remorse. Such an individual may be especially prone to violent and criminal offenses.
A person diagnosed with antisocial or dissocial personality disorder.
A person who has no moral conscience.
Popular A person who perpetrates especially gruesome or bizarre violent acts.

In her case, for one thing, she was head trippin' on her co-worker's success and seething with jealousy. She was very self centered and looking for ways to act out. She wanted any kind of revenge for anything. She wanted to get away with it, not get caught. She kind of reminds me of a female antichrist, except that she serves no one, not even Satan. She just serves her twisted impulses.
She reminds me of those type of movies where a kid is real evil, and a bully and pushes people down wells and things and everyone keeps doting on her anyway and not suspecting a thing.
I keep picturing her in a robe scuffling around in a mental institution. That's where she (her character) needs to be. In the movie "Needful Things" the store owner was Satan, or his minion. He did anything he could to cause chaos and havoc, destuction and pain. He had all of these news articles where he had been like with Hitler, the Atomic bomb at heroshima, on and on. She reminded me of that. Someone who is a catalyst for ruination and downfall.

That movie definitely makes you think. It does me anyway.

~Hollar, don't hit- Mr Ed~

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