Sleeping Around


Doesn't anyone have a problem with Asha sleeping with Todd ??? And just before her marriage ???

In Western culture it would seem as a simple thing, but in Eastern culture, that is a HUGE crime. Asha is shown as a traditional Indian girl, and a traditional Indian girl would not even consider spending the night in the same room with a man, who is not her husband or boy friend. And if you think they bonded over the trip, and Todd was her boyfriend in a way, a traditional Indian girl would NEVER sleep with her boyfriend in their "first date". Loosing virginity before marriage is a huge issue in Eastern cultures.

Actually any girl behaving they way she did in this film would be seen as a "sl@t" and a "wh@re" in East.

And it is very untrue that she had "fight" with her parents to get an education. Middle class Indian girls are well educated these days. If they are not, it's because they can't afford it; not because they are girls.

This film as I see it, has way too many stereotypes. They did a very poor job in capturing Indian culture.

I think this is VERY insulting to the people in India, and East in general.

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I don't think it's that far fetched, to be honest with you. Indian culture has transformed and currently is more westernized than you might think. Granted not in the villages, but in bigger cities, girls do have boyfriends and though it might not have been the case a few years, its not as uncommon nowadays for girls to sleep with their boyfriends. A few liberties were of course taken in the film, to move the movie along I assume, but if you were to go to India now and visit some of the more urban cities, you might see a huge different in today's culture. Though the definition of a tradition Indian girl remains the same, the MODERN Indian girl can be very different.

As for the fact that Asha slept with Todd while being engaged to someone else, how many Indian movies have you seen where the engaged girl falls in love with someone who is not her fiance? It's story repeated in so many movies, you should frankly be used to it by now. Yes, Bollywood doesn't go as far as having the characters sleep together, but this is not a Bollywood movie. As for why she did it, I can understand her reasoning. She was promised to the man at age 4, hardly an age you consent marriage at. It wasn't a choice she was given. This was. So yes, it may be controversial, but she admits that she's not in love with him. And who knows, perhaps the connection Todd and Asha had might have been deeper than the one her and her fiance shared. Being promised to someone, and falling in love with them are two wholly separate things. Hell, some people are married for years and never truly fall in love- they adapt. If you knew that for the next 50 odd years, all you had to look forward to was a person you had to adapt to, but not love, can you blame her wanting a few days of self indulgence?

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I agree.
They may have been attracted to each other, but I doubt (typically anyway) a girl like Asha would have leaped into bed with a man she barely knows out of the workplace. Just leaving it at a kiss would have probably been more realistic.
It was weird because just seconds earlier in the scene she was appalled at the very idea of sharing a bedroom with Todd because of "what her parents might think" so clearly her parents opinions mattered to her. As traditional Indian parents, I doubt they would approve of premarital sex. So, even out of the cultural context, from the story's perspective it didn't quite add up.

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I agree that modern Indian city life is more westernized than say a decade ago (perhaps more westernized than West itself). But the setting in the film was a small town, and Aisha is not a modern Indian city girl by no means.

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I agree that modern Indian city life is more westernized than say a decade ago (perhaps more westernized than West itself)


so true there such a rush to copy the west in the worst ways, copy the better infrastructure, healthcare, get the literacy rates up, don't copy the stereotypes or stuff they see on tv

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I, too, have seen a number of Indian movies in which one of the characters falls for someone other than their betrothed. As well, I feel it is important to point out this would not be a "simple thing" in Western culture. It would not be considered a crime, but nor would it be considered something to gloss over. Promising to marry someone and be with them forever is a serious matter in any monogamously-based culture. But the movie does not indicate that Asha is in fact a virgin. She does not behave like one at any point in the story, in fact, it seems like she knows just what to do to have this sort of relationship, as though she's done it before.

However, stories like this are fantasies, though somewhat based on real life, and most people do not take them as serious documentaries on cultural tradition.

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Actually, in all likelihood I DO think that Asha was a virgin...
Remember when she's telling Todd about what the term 'Holiday in Goa' means, and then she points out "You're my ONLY Holiday in Goa"

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I agree with you about Indian values being different than what is portrayed in this movie. This kind of debate where poor values in a movie are compared to the West only serves to down grade the West, too. In my life time of considerable years I have never know a woman in the West who was this loose who would be respected. But, I did like the movie very much.

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well thats what they tried to portray in the movie..do you have any idea how badly brown ppl in india wants to have sex with white ppl?thats what she wanted to do as well and she did it

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"In Western culture it would seem as a simple thing, but in Eastern culture, that is a HUGE crime."

Actually, I would think it would be the opposite. In Western culture, people mostly marry someone they choose, and are in love with. So there would be more of a commitment before the marriage, therefore, quite scandalous to sleep with someone else while you're engaged. But if you've been engaged since you were a child to someone that you didn't choose and don't even know anything about, you'd hardly think of it as cheating. Yes, you'd want to honor your family by staying chaste, but it doesn't seem so far fetched that these women would want to have some fun before being stuck with a stranger for the rest of their lives.

I do agree that this movie stereotypes the culture a bit too much. And they could have handled this romance better, making it more gradual, maybe even ending with him deciding to stay, or her deciding to leave with him.

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I don't think you quite understood what the poster said/meant.

by - winstonlite on Thu Jun 10 2010 09:44:15

"In Western culture it would seem as a simple thing, but in Eastern culture, that is a HUGE crime."

Actually, I would think it would be the opposite. In Western culture, people mostly marry someone they choose, and are in love with. So there would be more of a commitment before the marriage, therefore, quite scandalous to sleep with someone else while you're engaged. But if you've been engaged since you were a child to someone that you didn't choose and don't even know anything about, you'd hardly think of it as cheating. Yes, you'd want to honor your family by staying chaste, but it doesn't seem so far fetched that these women would want to have some fun before being stuck with a stranger for the rest of their lives.

I do agree that this movie stereotypes the culture a bit too much. And they could have handled this romance better, making it more gradual, maybe even ending with him deciding to stay, or her deciding to leave with him.

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I understood. I guess we're just looking at it from different points of view. He/She implied that cheating on your fiance in Western culture is no big deal. Of course it's a big deal. You've made a commitment to this person and you'd be violating their trust.

On the other hand, how committed would you feel to someone that you've been arranged with? In this case it's a matter of shaming yourself and your family rather than betraying the person you love.

So perhaps I misspoke when I said it would be the opposite. In both cultures it's look upon as something wrong, but for different reasons. I just wanted to emphasize that it's not something that would be taken lightly in Western culture.

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What I thought was more weird was that she seemed in her late 20's and not married despite having been engaged since she was 4. What is the age of marriage for people who are engaged in childhood? I find it hard to believe that it's 27-28. All the Indian movies I have seen with arranged marriages are usually around 20-22. Or I guess maybe she was supposed to be that young, even if she didn't look it.

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Yes, I also thought it was absurd that she would so casually spend the night with Todd. And she didn't seem surprised by her actions, leading me to believe it wasn't her first time.

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Even in western culture people don't usually sleep with someone they met a day ago.

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Arranged Marriages are the actual crime against humanity. India's crawling out of the dark ages ahead of most other countries in it's region, and with it, these "traditions" are dying off. Once they become a world superpower (inevitable) such backwards, terrible ideas will be entirely gone weather you like it or not.

If you're complaining about this, you're pretty much India's version of American right wingers, who are basically forcing the reverse scenario in the US - dragging it back down to a 2nd rate nation and trying to impose archaic rules, logic and religious-superstition.

Basically in terms of culture and power, the US will pass India on the way down and one day India will probably be the next superpower. Hopefully ideas such as freedom will end up dominate by then.

Long/short: Arranged marriages are terrible things, left over from the days when women were property. Almost all nations had them (this is hardly exclusive to the East) in some form or another, but with world power and notions of equality, they died out. Please remember India actually has a freaking caste system, too, which is even drastically WORSE and will probably have to go first; that's outright indefensible as it's just a polite way of enforcing internal racism.

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Remember: Not all chains are visible.

People in East are bound by chains that are visible (Caste, social pressure etc.). But the people in the West are bound by invisible chains. They think they are free, but far from it they are just as bound as the Easterners (maybe even more).

Elaborating on one point you made, there is a cast system in West too. It is based on money and social status. Imagine, will Bill Gates ever invite you for his drinking parties ?


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Yes, but I always think it's interesting that EVERY Indian movie that deals with the subject feels obligated to spout statistics about how their is less divorce in India. There is also a certain religion that dominates entirely the countries where it is prevalent and there is very little divorce. And just like when they defend it in with statistics, I wonder if that's because the people are so much happier or there is just far less/no other options.

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@ Morson - What are you talking about?.........

You said:

"If you're complaining about this, you're pretty much India's version of American right wingers, who are basically forcing the reverse scenario in the US - dragging it back down to a 2nd rate nation and trying to impose archaic rules, logic and religious-superstition. "


That doesn't make any sense...... You're talking about arranged marriages and American Right Wingers?...... and India becoming a world power?..... In the next paragraph talking about culture and the US of A passing India on the way down the list?.....

Let me guess... you're talking about the Gay Marriage discussion in the US of A? Is that what's got your panties in a bunch?

By saying 2nd rate nation trying to impose archaic rules, but then you don't say archaic logic, are you then saying that the US of A is trying to impose logic? You're all over the place here......


We do agree that arranged marriages and racism are wrong. So, we've got that goin' for us, but the rest of what you said is just plain interesting.

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swtlilsonl -- It's been awhile since I saw the movie, but I'm pretty sure when she slept with him they had known each other for more than a day. They were co-workers. I had the impression that she had her eye on him from the beginning. After all, she volunteered to go with him to pick up the mis-delivered merchandise -- I think she was looking for some one-one-one time to get to know him out of the office.

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