THE ONE ULTIMATE PLOT HOLE


ive watched this film multiple times, thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of it ... theres just one thing that stands out to me though.
How did Bruce Willis know that the boss would hire him to extract revenge for the death of his son. We know that Hartnett killed his son, and successfully made the boss think it was the rabbi, and again successfully made the boss want to get revenge by killing the rabbi's son. And the movie tells us that the boss wanted 'someone from out of town' to do it ... at which point Willis says 'then all there was to do was to wait for the call' BUT how did Willis know he would be the one asked to do the job. Surely there are more world class assassins that the boss could have hired. Anyone agree/disagree? It just seemed to me like they were lucky the boss decided to hire Goodkat otherwise the whole plot they planned would not have been possible. Ya know ?


"My name is Goodkat. You can call me Mr. Goodkat"

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Did freeman (boss) not mention something about knowing or having been aquainted with Willis (goodkat) before... I know the rabbi knew of him quite well... the whole scene where he says I thought u didnt work new york anymore (even though the rabbi didnt contact willis willis went to him)...I think hes just supposed to be a well known assassin...regardless its still a plothole because in the real world, thats one hell of an unknown variable to wager your entire plan on...Im not sure Im guessing...

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He hired Goodkat because he takes the jobs no-one else wants!
That's why he was hired to kill Slevin at the beginning

So he knew straight away that if he called Goodkat he would take the job!

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yeahh but killing the rabbi's son isnt really an unusual job for an assassin is it, hes a grown man, not a young boy so there would be less moral questioning on the assassins part. u not think though the boss could have hired any assassin for the job, there was no essential need for him to hire goodkat, ya know ?

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Yes but...

The boss even says he wants a specialist, and he knows for a fact that Goodkat would take the job
so why waste time looking around for someone, when he knows that Goodkat will do it for him, no questions asked...

and he knows that Goodkat is world class so he believes Goodkat is the best to come up with an idea to not make it look like a job!!

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lol yeeeahhh i see what u mean BUT its hard to beleive Goodkat is the ONLY world class assassin ... i just think that the fact they expected the boss to automatically ask Goodkat to take the job regardless of the other ppl he could no doubt be connected to was a bit farfetched.

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Yeah, it was a little farfetched. You can also take into account that he's already worked with goodkat before so he may go to him again. But nevertheless its a plot hole. I thought about the same thing the second or third time I saw it.

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But nevertheless its a plot hole.


No, it isn't a plot hole. People have no idea what that term means anymore. I recently saw a film where a guy is in a car accident. He goes to the impound garage looking for evidence, and finds his car is missing and the mechanic acts as though it was never there. Later in the film, he convinces the police to check the car over again, goes to the same garage, and the car is there. No mention is made of it ever having been missing. THAT is a plot hole. This is just a plan which wasn't 100% guaranteed to work, but which did. That happens in reality all the time. Had it not worked, they'd have tried some other way of getting to the two bosses. It's not too hard to see why it did work-it's clear that The Boss had used Goodkat before, so he knew (or thought) he could be counted on. He wants the killing to look like it's not a hit, so he doesn't use any local guys to do the job, lest word get around.

-There is no such word as "alot."

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well the film wud have been pretty pointless if he hadn't of ask goodkat

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i think if the boss had hired another assassin, Goodkat would have killed him/her to ensure he gets the job. but instead of wasting time in the film on that, we're shown him getting hired for his previous experience with the boss.

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that's exactly what i was thinking.

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I'm thinking boldly here, couldn't we just look at it at a simpler level? Couldn't it just be that Goodkat and Slevin just waited until one day the Rabbi or the Boss would hire Goodkat? Of course Slevin had to be trained first, but after that.. It could have taken 18 years, it could have taken 24 years.. 20 years is just a 'coincidental' (hey, it's a movie) round number, that's all.

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What I dont get is that after Goodkat did not kill Slevin as a boy, he said in the car they have to both "go away for a long time" - effectively dissapear....

If they dissapeared from the Rabbi/Boss for, what, 15 years..........

1) The Boss/Rabbi dosn't suspect somethings up when Goodkat disappears...?
2) They dont need Goodkat for a job in the interveining years until...
3) They contact Goodkat for the revenge job....

All a bit far fetched....

Plus, "how to get to two people who can't be got at".....Both the Rabbi and the Boss had, what, two bodyguards each, that seemed to get killed fairly easily....I wouldnt say a world class assasin was necessary! Not exactly Corleone style protection there.....


I still liked the film, stylewise, and enjoyable, but its the details that let the plot down I think...

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The Boss and Rabbi do have other bodyguards, such as the man on the balcony, the man Slevin mistakes for The Boss, the man on top of the elevator, the men out on the street when Slevin is brought in... and probably more we don't see individually.

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Changing the town doesn't mean disappearing. He only changed the address, but he was available. However, if he stayed in the town, there was a danger that someone might see him with a boy.

1) Professional killers usually don't have to explain much. If he left town, it might have been for better job, for matter of security etc.

2) Both Boss and Rabbi, as we find out during movie, weren't often involved in violent or brutal activities. It has been said that killing Max, his family and Roth was made as a warning, a threatening example for others who might do the same. There is not much evidence of similar crimes afterwards. And as they were (almost) partners they didn't have to use killers for gang wars.

3) As we were told, only a short while ago Boss and Rabbi became hostile to each other. It is easy to imagine that Goodkat had something to do with it. Once whey Boss wants revenge, it is not illogical that he calls the last (or only) one that he ever hired for such a job.

Plus) Goodkat surely could have killed them at any time, but Slevin was the one who wanted revenge, and he wasn't a professional; while Goodkat was always welcome to Boss and Rabbi, he couldn't simply enter their offices with Slevin without causing some concern or suspicion.

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goodkat was a perfect choice because throughout the movie they say he does things that others wont. like killing Slevin when he was a lil kid in the beginning of the movie. so to do this job, goodkat was a reasonable pick

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Readng through many of the responses here. It is plain to see that people are too analytical, but at the same time, have absolutely NO clue what they're talking about.

1. "Why after 15 years..."

A. It was 20 years, and there is a widely known peace treaty between the two rivals. Bringing in some 'regular', would surely have the word out on the street; in no time. They needed someone they could trust, which is where Goodkat comes in. Its not hard to figure out at all!

2. How did they get to them so easily? ...easily? This probably took months if not years of planning. Goodkat was training 'Slevin' for years. Put it into perspective. He takes him under his wing, teaches him, shows him the ropes. He grows up, badda-boom badda-bing! He gets his revenge. End of story.

3. "They don't need Goodkat until..."

A. They don't need him until a job like this comes along. Were you not paying attention to the film? You know, at the begining of the movie, where they say they hire him to do the jobs nobody else wants. Thought that might have been a dead givaway. I see that people's powers of perception are failing, as always.

There is nothing far-fethced about it at all. If people actually pay atention and interpret the film properly, you'll see there are not "plot holes", such as the afformentioned. Just lousy viewers.

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You wrote this 7 years ago, so you probably won't see this.

But no, it had to be specific so that he could get the Boss and the Rabbi together. That's why Slevin is the guy who sniped Boss' son first, for them to call Goodkat. They didn't just wait.

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You make a good case, but it is worth noting that the Boss had hired Goodkat before to do job no one else wanted. And while the Rabbi's son was a grown man, he was being guarded by Israeli commandos and his father commanded a powerful, presumably well-known, criminal outfit. And the Boss did not want it getting back to him that it was an assasination. It's the kind of job you'd want your top man to do and only a top man would be willing to take on.

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The whole plot is supposedly an elaborate set-up to get at the supposedly inaccessible Kingsley and Freeman. But "world-class assassin" Willis can apparently come and go as he pleases in their offices and could have killed both of them 20 minutes into the film.

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But that wasn't what Slevin wanted. Slevin wanted to kill them himself, and to make sure they knew who was killing them and why. He was the one who had to get into the room, and into the room with both of them.

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You're talking about a guy who's a world-class assassin and is a former associate of both The Rabbi and The Boss, though.

Keep in mind that neither man has left their building in decades, so they wouldn't have a ton of connections in that particular line of work.

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Yes but most assassins probably don't want to get in the middle of th e war beween the crime lords.

"Why do we fall Bruce?"

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Actually Willis was hired to the Kid at the beginning by Freeman and the Rabbi so it wasn`T just a coincidence they knew each other. The only Plot holes that i have seen is firstly that The rabbis Bodyguards are following him all the day and they should see him kidnapped and brought to the Bosses Appartment and yet they Never asked him what The Boss wanted or get suspicious about it. It really made no sense. Other than that the Rabbi had no good relationship with Bruce willis charakter [forgot the name] and he believes what he says to him which also makes no sense A Mafia Boss does never Believe anyone. It was a descent Movie but not a Masterpiece or something 6/10.

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Maybe the only other time that the Rabbi and the Boss needed to hire an assassin was for the Sleven situation. We know that those owing gambling debts were employeed. Could be the Bruce Willis character did all of their regular out of town hits witout meeting them face to face in NY.

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Remember that it was suppposed to look like an accident and bruce willis was supposed to set it up like a gay joint suicide. Morgan freeman a.k.a the boss didnt want the rabbi to know that he was the one who hired an assasin to kill his son cuz he was afraid of a war. Mr. Goodcat was known by both the rabbi and the boss mainly because they worked together before they were mortal enemies.

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People like them don't go for someone unreliable and someone they haven't worked with. Both of them worked with Goodkat before and both of them were satisfied with his work. The bonus was that he had to be someone out of town, and Goodkat fit right in.

Sure it's not a 100% certainty that The Boss would choose Goodkat but it was a pretty good bet. They waited for the bait.

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It is not a plot hole, open your eyes.

They both know Goodkat and his abilities, so they would rather go to him then to somebody who either isn't as good, or as trustworthy. It's common sense ffs.

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The real reason that Bruce Willis was hired is, of course, there would be no film otherwise.

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just because its unlikely that Goodkat would be the assasin hired doesnt make it a plot hole. The movie's plot doesn't unravel because they hired him therefore its not a plot hole.

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Like The Boss said, it was important to make it NOT look like a job, and thus he had to bring in an outsider, a specialist, the best there is... Mr. Goodkat.

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Well since Goodkat is the kind of guy who takes any job, even the most dangerous, of course he'd be consulted

and even if he wasn't consulted first, that was the risk Slevin and Goodkat were taking.
Not really a plot hole. just strategic planning and a gamble which paid off in their favor

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This is not the ultimate plot hole you friggin retard.

The ultimate plot hole is how RIDICULOUS it is that the copper didn't identify Lucy liu while she was eating dinner. Don't tell me he couldn't see her because of his angle. He got up went for a walk and was supposedly PIGTAILING them.
Shocking.

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Actually he could only see the back of her head, so he's seen just her hair. It's not exactly a passport photo we're talking about here.

Considering the other "supposed plot hole", did you consider that Rabbi and the Boss were the most powerful gangsters in town? They owned everything. Even the police (as we see later). No ordinary assasin goes against them. Yeah, there are probably more than one world-class assassin, but they knew him and worked with him before. Ask yourselves, if you have a specific job in mind (any job, not criminal in particular), that you know only several people can do, would you try to make new contacts or would you just call the guy you worked with in the past?

It's calculated risk.

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Freeman's Son, Whom he loved was killed, He wanted the best for the retaliation, someone who would get the job done, no questions asked...Goodcat was that man....no plot hole.

There's a mad man in there with his hand on a...on a BUTTON!

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Mummycat625: The implication is that Goodkat specifically decided to say he wasn't working in New York during the intervening years - an assassin of his quality could easily get work elsewhere, and there could be any of 1000 legitimate reasons why he might not want to work in a particular city.

The OP is wrong that it is a plothole, it's just farfetched. It might be a bit risky of them to rely on that kind of variable, but it's still theoretically plausible.

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This isn't a plot hole at all. Definitely not the "ultimate" plot hole.

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Why would any assasin want to take this job. killing the rabbi's son would make you a marked man forever. no assasin who knew who the rabbi was would not want to bring that much heat on themselves by killing the son of the most powerful crime lord in new york. thats why the boss brought in someone he knew would do the job. a "specialist"

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look at how much heat is still on the people who killed JFK. 45 years later and the search still goes on for the killer or killers.

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look at how much heat is still on the people who killed JFK. 45 years later and the search still goes on for the killer or killers.


Well the 'detectives' can spend all the time they want on that 'case.'

There's a mad man in there with his hand on a...on a BUTTON!

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No it doesn't. They're all dead by now, and the likely killers were adequately identified within days of the assassination by the people whose job it was to find them. Everybody decided to let the sleeping dogs lie, the Warren Commission covered it up (barely), and the world carried on as usual. But the Kennedys know, and the FBI knows, and the Mafia knows. In another fifty years, the rest of us will know, and knowing won't ever have mattered.

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This movie is not set in the real world. Get over it.

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what movie

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That's quite obvious, cuz Goodcat has worked for The Boss before.
But the actual plot hole is this:
They captured Rabbi and The Boss by entering their houses and killing all the guards. That was pure brute force, that had nothing to do with the whole sophisticated plan. The whole heist with Nick Fisher, Rabbis son etc and starting a gang war had nothing to do with what hapened later.

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they but they planned to kill the bald cop aswell.

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how is explaining what happened revealing a plot hole?

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yes, but the sophisticated plan allowed the rabbi and the boss to feel the pain that Slevin once felt. they took slevins mom and dad from him, and in return he took the lives of their sons and eventually theirs as well. and the point of the sophisticated plan is to be called upon by the rabbi and the boss. slevin would have had no way of walking in there, unless he was brought over there, which he was, by both parties

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