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Please Explain! (Spoilers)


1) The whole religious theme (Jack, Marieclaira). What was that all about?
2) Why did Nigel kill all those people?
3) Who was the woman in the photos? Nigel's mom (or step-mom? What was that all that about?
4) Why did Alex take Susan's head and why didn't he cover the tomb?
5) Is Alex to blame or not, I mean, was he lying to the psychologist cause in the end she says "this sick f*uck" or something referring I suppose to Alex or did Nigel's spirit got into Alex?

Sorry for so many questions but I was really confused by all of the events in this movie.

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.

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Here are some answers to your questions. (SPOILERS)

1) The whole religious theme (Jack, Marieclaira). What was that all about?
Obsession, a psychopathic trait:

It is a common trait for a psychopath to become obsessed with something. In Nigel's case he chooses the Templar myth of Maraclea.

One Example of the ‘Maraclea’ myth (there are many versions – google for more):

"A great lady of Maraclea was loved by a Templar, A Lord of Sidon; but she died in her youth, and on the night of her burial, this wicked lover crept to the grave, dug up her body and violated it. then a voice from the void bade him return in nine months time...” “He obeyed the injunction and at the appointed time he opened the grave again and found a head on the leg bones of the skeleton (skull and crossbones). The same voice bade him 'guard it well, for it would be the giver of all good things', and so he carried it away with him. It became his protecting genius, and he was able to defeat his enemies by merely showing them the magic head. In due course, it passed to the possession of the order."

Reasons Nigel chooses the Maraclea myth as the object of his obsession:

1. The re-enactment of this myth, would satisfy his Sociopathic urges for ownership, control and power.

2. Nigel’s father was a member of a Brotherhood with Templar roots. This Society occupied all his time and left none for his own son. Nigel wanted to believe this was justified but try as might, he could not see the society as anything more than pathetic “male bonding”. It made him deeply angry that something so unimportant had such a huge impact on his life, so he became fixated on making the society matter. By possessing the skull, Nigel believed he could restore this Templar based society to its original medieval power and glory, as per the myth.

How the playing card fits in:

Within Nigel’s delusional world, he literally sees the images on the Jack of Spades as an illustration of his relationship with Alex. He interpreted them as proof of the inevitability of Nigel and Alex’s coming together, to operate as one and how this partnership would bring them ultimate power for eternity.
This is what Nigel thought the images on the card represented:

The Spade (the head of a spear) = Himself, a tool for killing.

The Jack (knave/rogue) = Alex, his partner.

The “eternity” symbol on the hand of the Jack = the inevitability and permanence of his relationship with Alex.

2) Why did Nigel kill all those people?

Nigel only killed one person - Susan. He kills her because he wants to give his “partner” (Alex) the chance to obtain the power as layed out in the Templar myth. He saw Susan, as Alex’s true love.

3) Who was the woman in the photos? Nigel's mom (or step-mom? What was that all that about?

The photos are of Nigel’s mother. Nigel had sent them to the society in the hope that they would set in motion a chain of events that would unhinge his father. This ultimately results in his mother’s death, which plays into Nigel’s hands, as his mother is his one true love. So, Nigel sees his chance to get “their” Maraclea, particularly as he couldn’t be certain whether Alex had fulfilled his request at the morgue.

4) Why did Alex take Susan's head and why didn't he cover the tomb?

Alex digs up the grave and takes the skull to make it look like he is re-enacting the Templar myth. However, all he cares about is toying destructively with Sally, not the power of the skull. She is his new psychological “victim”. His plan was to publicly humiliate Sally and cause her to loose any ounce of professional credibility. He waits for her to have her day in the sun so he can rip it away. To a Sociopath like Alex, this is the glory.

5) Is Alex to blame or not, I mean, was he lying to the psychologist cause in the end she says "this sick f*uck" or something referring I suppose to Alex or did Nigel's spirit got into Alex?

Who is to blame? Gestalt is to blame, as without this condition nothing would have happened. It was the combination of Alex and Nigel that created the lethal mix.

Alex is affected by Nigel, however it is at a psychological level, not supernatural. Nothing in the back story is a lie. So everything he tells us about what happened with Nigel and who murdered whom, is true. The power struggle Alex describes (that leads to Alex’s unhinging), is a typical part of the dynamic of this sort of Gestalt relationship.

When Sally says “Evil little *beep* she is realizing that while Alex didn’t pull the trigger, he is equally responsible for creating the fatal psychological environment.

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Thank you for your elaborated answers, it helped me to understand this mixed up story a bit.

All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.

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Huh!! Now I get it LOL....very detailed answer!!!

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"Nigel only killed one person - Susan."

i beg to differ, he pretty much killed josh.
or at the very least contributed to his not being alive.

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He let him die yes but didn't actively murder him.

JESSIE There, now I cn change my ID as often as I damn well please.

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Good explanation! Also interesting is the reference to the head on the crossed legbones since "Skull and Bones" is an actual secret society on the Yale campus.

These "brotherhoods" do seem to trace their lineage back to the Knights Templar and have numerous bizarre rites and symbolic icons. Many in that society end up in high places in American politics, i.e. George W. Bush and John Kerry.

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thanks for explaining it for me. i didn't understand the significance of the ending. so did alex cross susan's legs or nigel? what is a gestalt?

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thank you so much for such an incredible answer. i pretty much thought all the same, but i came to the boards to see what other people thought. you laid it out perfectly. epic

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Youre wrong there - they're definitely of Nigels mum - they're quite erotic obviously to cast the doubt in Nigel's dad's head.

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Just watched the movie...

The photos are definitely of Nigel's mother.

When she says "I don't know" it is in answer to his father's question "Who took the pictures?"

The inference I took from this is that they had obviously been taken while she was asleep, but then sent to the father's lodge, as the original poster said, to destroy his reputation and send him off the rails.

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thanks for your explanation! i seriously did not understand a thing before you explained.

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Very good answers. I agree with everything you said except for the bit about the ending.
I don't think he is simply trying to mess with Sally, sure he wants to do that, which is why he gives her the card. But I think the significance of it is that Nigel has succeeded in getting into Alex's head, and that this influence continues after Nigel's death (which the dvd blurb alludes to). If you recall the very final scene, where Alex carries Susan's head onto the train, and sits behind a young boy, asking him if he likes history... This is Alex using the "power" that he believes he is getting from Susan's head. He now has become the psychopath that Nigel was, and wants to mess with this new boy. Him adding to Nigel's bible is evidence of this obsession he has inherited, I believe.
I think that the fact that Alex believes he now has power from the head means he completed the ritual... meaning he had sex with Susan's corpse in the morgue. If he didn't really believe in the power of the myth why would he add to the bible? And why would he carry the head with him?

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What about Nigel's death? Was it suicide or did Alex actually pull the trigger? I'm sure it's the former.

So the only murder Alex committed (accidentally, though) was that of Nigel's father?

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Heh... I am SO glad you posted this forever ago, thanks! 😊

After watching the lovely HD print of the film, I realized when it got to the evisceration scene of the girl, I had a feeling that I had seen this movie before (a pretty vivid scene, hard to forget) Sure enough, after bringing up my movie list (over 9500 titles 😁) I found that I did indeed already have the DVD and had seen it.

So, it's great to get your detailed input and excellent answers to the query above!

Cheers!

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I know this was written several years ago but I was hoping you could help me understand something.

For one, what did you mean when you said this: When Sally says “Evil little *beep* she is realizing that while Alex didn’t pull the trigger, he is equally responsible for creating the fatal psychological environment.

How was he responsible for that? Do you mean because he sort of kept pushing inside of Nigel's head and that pretty much put them together as one person? I guess the card thing got me really confused because I wasn't sure what he was trying to say. My only conclusion was that he was lying about stuff (though I know from another board or this one that his story was all truth). It just baffled me and I don't like not understand ha.

Also, what was happening during that train station thing right when the gun is held up to Nigel? I know part of it is that he wants to die and sort of merge with Alex, but what else was he trying to say? I can't remember word for word but I know that scene had another meaning..

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Why not try watching it again.

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I thought the photos were of the school girl that gat murdered. She had dark hair like the photos. His mom had some nasty curly red hair or something along that color.

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