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Karla was freed due to shoddy police work, plain and simple


Alot of the posts on here go on and on about the fact that Karla got such a light sentence. The reason she got out so early is because the police didn't do their jobs well enough and didn't have all of the answers to the prosecuters by the time the prosecuters gave her the deal. They knew Paul had done many terrible crimes and they wanted to hang him. They knew that getting Karla to testify against Paul would seal the deal and get him put away forever. Rather than wait to make sure Karla was not more at fault than they believed, they offered her a deal and she jumped at it. They regret the decision, but they couldn't go back on the deal. If they had and word had gotten out, which it would have, they would never get people to turn against their partners in crime. In this case, it turned out poorly.

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They regret the decision, but they couldn't go back on the deal.
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Actually, they could have put her away for a lot longer without going back on the deal at all.

The deal was that as long as her actions weren't directly responsible for any deaths, she'd get the bargain... For whatever reason, when it came to light that she WAS directly responsible for Tammy's death, they went through with the plea deal anyways.


I'll be completely honest... I mean, Karla is a complete psychopath who should be behind bars forever, and I'd be extremely happy if I woke up tomorrow to ehar that she was murdered, BUT...

I'd much rather have her walking the streets than Paul.


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I agree. I doubt she's much of a danger on her own, while Paul would be a complete menace with or without Karla.

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I agree. I doubt she's much of a danger on her own, while Paul would be a complete menace with or without Karla.


The punishment did not fit her crimes. She's got kids of her own now ~ three ~ *shudder*. Do you know how those kids are going to suffer when they find out who their *mommy* really is??? She still a selfish, self-centered sociopath or some kind of 'pathos'. And never once did she show remorse for what she did.

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I feel bad for the victims and feel bad for the kids Karla had

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and how do you know how many kids karla has?

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http://watchingkarlahomolka.yuku.com/directory

Anything you want to know about Karla Homolka who is now known as Emily Bordelais (she married her lawyer, Sylvie Bordelais' brother, Thierry) you can find in the link provided. She has a 4 year old son, a 2-3 year old daughter and a newborn son. She posts on baby sites as Emily. She owns an online baby diaper web business. She TEACHES in the French Antilles (Guadaloupe) part of the year and lives in Quebec part of the year. The website above is devoted to 'Watching Karla Homolka'.

That's how I know. Investigate that site and you will find out all kinds of things about the child killer Karla.



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Yeah thats what i figured. I've seen that before but a lot of people think that woman is just a very good storyteller. She's been caught in lies before so i dont really believe much of what she writes.

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What? Have you been ON the site? There are nothing but FACTS on that site ... FACTS ... links to pictures and printed stories and videotaped interviews. And, no, 'alot of people' don't think she's a good storyteller. Look at the stats of her site. How many views and posts. If you don't want to read that site then just google 'Karla Homolka and Thierry Bordelais'; other sources will come up with her new name and if you google babymaggie and babymaggie1 you will see her on baby sites.


Who are these 'alot of people'? The woman who runs the site reports facts; she doesn't tell stories. There are sources for everything she writes.

So are you a Karla/Emily Bordelais (baby killer) supporter?

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It's ok , we have different opinions on a couple things, I dont think shes as credible as you do and thats fine! What is the babymaggie thing you are talking about?

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[url]http://hyenacart.com/phpbb/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=7233&sid=7b805006faf87fb8d26c5c7e3fcd1c05[url]

If the link doesn't work, just 'Google' 'babymaggie hyenacart' and you will see at least 600+ posts from her.

She is love.you.forever on babycenter.

This is one of the sites that Karla posts as Emily Bordelais. She's changed many of her information because she knows we are onto her on 'Watching Karla Homolka'. She gave her childrens' names here at one time. I won't post them here because her children will have enough crap to deal with when they find out who their mom really is. That will be her karma.

Yes, we can agree to disagree. I've been with 'Watching Karla Homolka' since it started in 2005 and have never been given bad information.

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http://hyenacart.com/phpbb/search.php?search_author=babymaggie&sid =7ab45dd363071aaa796c8a01ab8b5375

Here, try this one.

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thanks!

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I'm NOT defending Karla in the least and yes I dont know a ton about the case but I saw the movie and went through the websites devoted to the case and the movie definately makes it seem like Karla is more on the innocent side. Why is it so hard for people to believe that maybe Paul did force her to do a lot of the crimes? She was an abused housewife, if she went along with everything and was just as sick and twisted as Paul than why did he have to beat her? Yes what she did to her sister was TERRIBLE and I'm NOT defending Karla if she is in fact sick in the head. I know the people that are from the area are very sensitive to the case so I'm not trying to offend but I just want to know some of the facts. Also there was that Jane Doe incident but what if she was just insecure and pathetic and was completely desperate for her husband's approval? Shes a mother now, of three kids and is remarried, how can a sociopath get her life together enough to get married and have kids? I'm just trying to see both sides of this and trying to be a little bit open minded.

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Karla isn't innocent for beep sake after she drug her sister she and Paul rape her sister and in one of the tapes the cops have discovered that Karla dress up like her one of her victims whom both of them Karla and Paul rape and kill Leslie Mahaffy

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alright settle down I was just trying to be a little open minded. It just doesnt make sense why he has to beat her so much if she was a willing participant.

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That would be referred to as battered-wife syndrome. I'm not defending Karla. I can't stand what she did. I don't think she is a victim by any means because when she could have walked away, she didn't. She also could have let one of the girls go when Paul was out, but she did not do that either. He kept beating her, sure, to cooperate, but she went crawling back to him like a crazed puppy. I'm not saying she didn't love him in her own way, or that I would not have done the same thing. You can't say someone won't do something unless they have been in that position themselves. I know a lot of people who got abused and didn't want to leave their guy because they kept telling themselves that he loved her.

Never mind that her sentence was too short and far too lenient...I mean she got a university degree in prison! She had tv...she pretty much had luxury, and Paul has nothing (not that I'm saying he should have anything)

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That would be referred to as battered-wife syndrome.


Actually no it isn't.

Battered wife's syndrome would be if Karla killed Paul to get away from the abuse. If you want to see someone with battered wife's syndrome watch the movie Life with Billy, also a very disturbing true story.

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Fact is, he didn't beat her so much. The movie made it look like she was a battered wife. There were videotapes of her having sex with the victims and her sister and she was naked and there wasn't a bruise on her. It wasn't until everything was unravelling for Paul that he beat her so bad and THEN she left him. But she had to be DRAGGED OUT OF THE HOUSE AFTER THAT BEATING by her parents; she didn't leave willingly. She's no 'innocent victim' or 'battered wife'.

I'd buy the battered wife syndrome if she weren't allowed to go to work or if Paul kept her from her family but they lived with her family for THREE YEARS ... after three years, SOMEONE would have noticed that she was battered, don't you think? Especially since the house they lived in was very tiny. It wasn't until after Tammy was murdered by Karla that Paul and Karla got their own place. The movie is a big joke. Doesn't tell the story like it truly happened in real life. And yes, she did dress as her dead sister to have sex with Paul. It's on videotape.

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I agree with you. She was no battered wife by any means. The fact that she was a willing participant in the acts, was just plain outright disturbing. The movie is a huge joke, in part because it paints her as a victim, which she was a far cry from.

I never saw the videotapes (some people have said they've seen it) and I never want to. Knowing the details is bad enough. I had the opportunity to meet Paul's lawyer one time when I was at the Superior Court of Justice in Toronto, ON, and he said it was disturbing, even to him, and he was defending Paul Bernardo...he did quit on him though.

Point is, people should NOT rely on this movie to get the facts, because although a lot of is true, it's not the way it happened. Karla had bigger parts to play then this movie gave her credit for. She is by no means innocent, as the poster said before me.

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Yes, armyangel88, the videotapes were beyond disturbing. Imagine if that were your daughter being tortured and raped and videotaped and you had to watch them (actually, I believe when they were played for the jury, the galley was hooked up for sound only) or hear your baby girl screaming for her life to be spared. And what those two did to Kristen French and Leslie Mahaffey should have bought Karla life behind bars. She did only 2 years TWO YEARS for her own sister, Tammy. She stole the drugs from the clinic she worked at; she administered the drugs that killed Tammy (it was an animal anesthetic which was to be administered through a vaporizer; Karla wet a cloth with it and held it on Tammy's face ~ pictures of a dead Tammy with burns on her face can be found on the internet if you google Tammy Homolka ~ beyond disturbing).

The movie was supposed to be presented from Karla's point of view which is a total lie. She lied to get her deal. The Crown let the deal stand even though they had videotaped proof that she was an accomplice. She's an evil animal. And now she has three of her own children (three ~ a life for a life? She killed three girls and now she birthed three children ~ she's evil!).

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Evil is putting it mildly! I know what she did to her sister and how...what got to me is...how could you do that to your own family member? Much less your SISTER!? The Canadian legal justice system is flawed, I do agree...but the way it works is that once you make a plea bargain you can't back out from it, even if it comes to light that you had a bigger part to play.

Trust me though, the Crown regretted giving her that deal...it's known as the "deal with the devil" here in Canada. I am beyond disturbed of the fact that she has ANY kids of her own, never mind three! I could not imagine what I would do if something like that were to happen to my son, much less my daughter (seeing as I only have a son..right now). But as the saying goes...Karma is a b**** and she'll get what's coming to her. Most likely in the form of her kids, once they realize who their mother is and what she did.

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You are right. Karma will get Karla Homolka/Emily Bordelais. When she least expects it.



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Have you seen the video tapes? Eek that must be horrible, I was disturbed enough reading the transcripts!

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if she went along with everything and was just as sick and twisted as Paul than why did he have to beat her?


you're implying that abusive men only beat women when the women give them a reason to, and, when that's flipped around, it implies that women who are beaten are responsible for it because they've given the men a reason.

Paul abused Karla much less than the movie indicates, but he did it because he was a violent, psychopathic, abusive individual. she was perfect for him, in a sick and twisted way, but he still beat her, because that's who he was.. and she went along with what he was doing to those girls because that's who she was. you can speculate from any angle, but when you look at the evidence, the answer is clear. she was not a victim in regards to these crimes.

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No, I'm implying that people abuse others for a reason. Not that victims deserve it or provoke them but people are abusive for a reason and it's likely that if she was abused as much as she claimed that it's also likely that the reason would be because she didn't cooperate because if she was just as sick as him than it's likely to believe the abuse would be pointless and didn't happen.

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"people from the area" are not "very sensitive to the case". people from any area who followed this case as it was happening are very aware of the facts and the horrifying outcome. if you're interested in facts, you're best to look somewhere other than a message board on IMdB. all of the reports from the investigation are available online. i'll even provide you a few reputable webpages to get you started:

http://www.opconline.ca/depts/omcm/Campbell/Bernardo_Investigation_Review%20PDF.pdf


http://www.criminal-lawyers.ca/criminal-defence-news/the-ken-murray-case-defence-counsel-s-dilemma

the second site in particular includes the following evidence which answers your question about why it is hard to believe big bad Paul forced poor little Karla to participate in his crimes.

In the Murray case[4] it was proved that on May 6, 1993, after he was retained by defend Bernardo for domestic assault and a number of rapes in Scarborough, and while a police investigation was ongoing for two murders, on Bernardo’s written instructions, Mr. Murray retrieved six videotapes from the bathroom ceiling on the second floor of the house that Bernardo occupied with his wife, Karla Homolka. He was with his junior and a law clerk, and they made a pact not to reveal to anyone what they had found. Murray said he felt he had found a “bonanza” for the defence. The tapes were locked in a safe in his office. Twelve days later, on Bernardo’s written instructions, Mr. Murray viewed the tapes and made a copy that he kept in a secure place. Two of the tapes (the “critical tapes”) were horrific depictions of gross sexual assaults on Leslie Mahaffy and Kristen French, two young women who had disappeared from their family homes and whose bodies had been found in circumstances that suggested homicide. The tapes demonstrated that Bernardo was the prime culprit in the assaults while Karla assisted in them and in their videotaping. The tapes were circumstantial evidence that Bernardo killed the two girls and hard evidence that he sexually assaulted two others, Tammy Homolka and Jane Doe.

Also portrayed on the two critical tapes was Karla administering a noxious inhalant to her sister Tammy Homolka and to a woman identified as Jane Doe. While Tammy and Jane were unconscious, Bernardo could be seen sexually assaulting them. The inhalant ultimately led to Tammy’s death. On the tapes Karla could be seen subsequently luxuriating in the death of her sister while she and Bernardo made love in her sister’s bed.

Four of the tapes (the “non-critical tapes”) showed Karla performing sexually provocative acts, once with a prostitute, and once while play-acting for the camera, during which she made sexually explicit comments. It was later submitted that the critical tapes demonstrated that Karla was guilty of the murder of her sister and all the tapes put the lie to Karla’s statements to the authorities that she was an abused wife who was under the control of her husband.

In May 1993, Karla Homolka negotiated with the prosecuting authorities and ultimately a deal was struck whereby she would plead guilty to manslaughter in respect to the deaths of Leslie Mahaffy and Kristen French. The facts regarding the death of her sister Tammy would be read in during her sentencing hearing, and the crown and defence would jointly submit that imprisonment for 12 years would be an appropriate sentence for her. She agreed to be interviewed by the police and to give evidence for the prosecution at Bernardo’s trial for murder. Ultimately, the deal was implemented, and Karla was sentenced to 12 years.


i bolded the part about people far more knowledgeable about the case, and about criminals of her caliber in general, than you or i could ever be determining that Karla was lying about being under the control of her husband. that's why it's hard for us, the laypeople, to believe her - THE EXPERTS DIDN'T EVEN BELIEVE HER. the video evidence backs them up. she told her "i'm a victim" story before those tapes came to light, but the video evidence put proof to the lie. and it's still a hot topic because this woman is currently living her life free, with three children and a husband, instead of locked up where she belongs, because Bernardo's lawyer sat on those tapes so the police needed Homolka's testimony.

look, i'm all for keeping an open mind. i'm all for examining the evidence myself before drawing a conclusion. what i'm not all for is coming onto a board where people are discussing a still-heated situation about a monster who did monstrous things and then was turned loose, and implying that the people who know more than you admittedly do aren't keeping an open mind. your implication is offensive. the fact that you come on here and say you're looking for facts when you are on the internet and have, at your fingertips, EVERY piece of information you need to know about this case is astounding in its ignorance.

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Wow, I think you just take anything you read in however way you like. I was saying people from the area are very sensitive to the case because it seems to me that a lot of people from the area comment on the case and to be honest vilify her- I'm not saying she should be or not but they do. And also anytime horrific crimes happen of course it hits the people from the area the hardest because it is horrifying to think it happened so close to you and it might have been you.

By the way, I came here a WHILE ago and commented a while ago after I saw the movie. You are very easily offended and it's so annoying to read comments like that.


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i was only recently able to comment on your very old post because, unlike you, i just watched the movie a few nights ago and came here to comment. i wasn't aware there was a statute of limitations for commenting on a post. i'll keep that in mind next time i come across a post of yours. since this one is recent, however, i feel safe in replying. i'll point out 'people from the area' can only vilify her because she commited heinous atrocities. if you don't want people to speak badly of you, don't give them anything bad to say. and i'll condense both responses into one: again, Paul abused Karla because he was an abusive person - not because she was or wasn't following along with what he was doing. there are, however, as pointed out in the webpages i listed for you, doubts about exactly how much she was actually abused, and a consensus among the experts that even the abuse she suffered did not contribute to her participation in the crimes.

your signature is rather interesting. can you imagine how Kristen French's mother or Leslie Mahaffy's mother would feel if they stumbled on your post talking about how people are 'vilifying' poor Karla Homolka and implying nobody is keeping an open mind? can you imagine the despair they would feel seeing that this movie has inspired people who aren't familiar with the case to think that Karla may have been a victim and urge others to keep an open mind?

yes, i am easily offended when i think about what these families have gone through and what Karla was able to get away with. i'm not ashamed of that, and i don't think anyone ought to be ridiculed for it.

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Wow, way to take things the wrong way. Good luck with that.

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perhaps, my friend, you should consider the possibility that you say things the wrong way.

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I just watched this today. Sad but true. In a way, they both got away with murder (Paul initially because they police never followed up on DNA samples he provided and other police reports that ID'd him as a suspect. One even had his license plate number). They could have prevented the other deaths and attacks if the police hadnot been so incompetent and taken the reports more seriously. Had Paul not been a good-looking, white guy with charm, he probably would have been nicked right from the start. Also Canada's murder crime rate has always been much lower than most countries so I imagine at that time, it was easier for a seemingly upstanding citizen to put one over on them while they look for some greasy looking pervert.

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Yes, the police were incompetent. I guess human beings have a hard time believing that a good-looking charming person can be evil. It makes me ill to know that Karla married a wealthy man and is living a great life - she has her own children too. Those poor girls she killed will never get that chance. I think the police were in too much of a hurry. Also, they did not want to think a beautiful woman could be such a monster. Men have no idea what a lot of women are like. They always think men are more evil - women are somehow the gentler sex. What a joke, I am a women and other women can make life hell. Most are back-stabbers and will do anything to get revenge on a woman they don't like. My female bosses are unrelenting. Everything is tied up with their ego. You have to kiss up and hope they like you. God help you if they don't for whatever reason. I bet there are a lot more women out there like Karla - women who will do whatever to keep a man they fancy. I think she has no morality, no empathy and lacks a soul. Whatever made her do this, is still inside her. Her new hubby better be careful! She quickly turned on Paul when they were caught.
Just shows how dangerous it is to assume someone is okay because they are charming and attractive. It sure made the police waste a lot of time. Those girls would still be alive....

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Good post jillredman, and that is a scary thought, her married to another person like paul!!

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