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CANCEL THIS PIECE OF SH*T!

posted 19 years ago by Grand
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Jesus Christ! The blind cop is some kind of "hero" because he beats up a man who is insisting upon his innocence ... while four other cops watch? This is the sort of mindset that allows slack-jawed hillbilly yokels to disgrace the uniform of the U.S. Army by torturing naked men and women in Iraq and forcing them into "simulated sex" -- which would be felony sexual assault in every State of the Union. If this bastard is ABC's idea of a "role model" for the visually impaired, they all deserve to develop macular degeneration and go blind themselves.

I have been a fan of Ron Eldard's for decades, but no more. I want to see this show CANCELLED.

TORTURE IS A CRIME!

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[–] AlexMorgan13 19 years ago

the guy was a child molester!! why are you defending a guy who molested children?

they deserve the worst... Jim is a hero...

i wish Jim had done worst to him...

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[–] zatornator11 19 years ago

I'm sorry but I don't agree. The guy was lieing, and he was far from innocent. I loved that scene. He deserved everything he got.

[–] printsofdarkness 19 years ago

That wasn't torture, that was an interrogation technique that is tacitly accepeted by many police departments. At least as it has been portrayed on televison, a detective will use only it as a last resort if they feel they have sufficient evidence to believe a suspect guilty of a specific act, yet the suspect insists on denying it even after being confronted with said evidence. There also is a greater urgency to get a confession from a suspect if the prosecution witness necessary to to secure a conviction is young or unstable. A man suspected of child molestation, while lacking any prior convictions, fits this scenario. Jim wasn't a hero for beating someone suspected of one of the most depraved human acts-actually it makes him ambiguous to me; it raises the question of whether the ends justify the means. But that's what makes NYPD Blue and Blind Justice more intriguing than most of the other police procedurals on broadcast television, which are more interested in portraying a more idealised, squeaky-clean vision of a law enforcement. If the topic starter were to apply his standard to NYPD Blue, he would've demanded its cancellation years ago.

"Situation like this, there's a high potentiality for the common m$@%*rf^&!#r to bitch out."

[–] techone7 19 years ago

"That wasn't torture, that was an interrogation technique that is tacitly accepeted by many police departments."

Do you know anyone who is a cop? Obviuosly not. This "technique" is never used by good cops. First and foremost because it is obviously against the law. Second, professional detectives would never throw away their careers on a pile of crap by taking this kind of short cut, let alone four other officers including a Lieutenant. Third, torture, and that is what that was, is highly unreliable. Someone being tortured will generally say anything they think will stop the beatings, which of course makes their "confession" questionable to say the least. This is just another example of TV making it up as they go along and damaging the reputation of good hardworking police officers. There are plenty of other ways to get people to honestly confess without resorting to torture. Other shows have gone to great pains to show this: Law and Order and Homicide are great examples. I don't care how much you despise the suspect or what sense of urgency you feel there is, in a civilized society we simply do not act like this. EVER. It is the sign of a weak individual to resort to this kind of laziness or to give in to the hate for a suspect. It only lowers the individuals involved. I am very disappointed in the writers for this story development. The show was actually very good up until that point.

BTW, I still have questions regarding Sam's death. I believe they proved it was suicide and yet they still decided to go after Warren. While the boy in his building came forward to testify that Warren had abused him, that still didn't prove that Sam didn't commit suicide in an attempt to set him up. I never really felt that they satisfactorily resolved the case.

[–] printsofdarkness 19 years ago

Prior to the boy being brought in by the father to file a complaint, Dunbar and Bettancourt searched Sam's apartment again and found a claim check, they traced it to a uniform company which provided them with a receipt that showed that Sam ordered a work shirt to be embroidered with the suspect's name. This was their proof that Sam staged his suicide as a killing carried out by Doyle.

Alright, the first sentence was poorly worded, making it sound like I'm rationalising such behavior. And you're right-I have no experience in law enforcement; I qualified as much by the second sentence of my post. Still, however illegitemate a means of interrogation that was, it's hardly the first time such a thing has been portrayed in a television drama, and it won't discourage me from continuing to follow this series.

By the way, you must really despise "24". Actually, I do, but for other reasons.

"Situation like this, there's a high potentiality for the common m$@%*rf^&!#r to bitch out."

[–] sams0n3119 19 years ago

Man if you were offended by this show don't ever watch The Shield on FX, they beat confesions out of people at least once or twice in ever show.....

[–] Birdofire1 19 years ago

Interesting that The Shield was brought up, I was thinking as much in following the posts. I've never watched it all the way through but that was because I couldn't stand it. Giving a bad name to law enforcement? I can point to worse and stuff that's commonly accepted on TV.
As for law enforcement, I agree a good cop would not resort to such but I'm not naive enough to think it doesn't happen. There's nothing worse than a corrupt cop but don't forget that in general terms they're human too.
I do NOT agree with what happened but then again Doyle's hands weren't tied and he wasn't injured outright. I've been hit in the stomach/solar plexus in sparring and you get over it. Ok, that probably earned me a flame or three. What Jim did doesn't begin to compare to what Doyle did, there the victims might as well have had their hands and feet tied down. Bruises go away, scars like that never do quite.
At any rate, like someone else said, Jim hasn't always been an angel and I don't expect a halo now even though he's learning what vulnerability is. It fit.

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[–] dogma01 19 years ago

oh well,, you know what they say about opinions,,

"opinions are like a**holes,, they are all differant,, some just stink worse than others"

you don't like the show? i'll still sleep tonite,,

[–] AlexMorgan13 19 years ago

the shield and NYPD Blue suck...

it's just unrealistic that you would have fat, bald cops... cops need to be in shape...

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[–] printsofdarkness 19 years ago

My disagreement with the first and third posters is their objection to the show portraying an interrogation beating. I can respect their views on such behavior from law enforcement being abhorrent, but I don't think that makes it a subject unfit for dramatization in series television. What gets me are the people who, the instant they see questionable behavior portrayed on a program, assume the act is being endorsed, without contemplating the context in which it is being portrayed. I didn't think the beating of a suspected child molester was being presented as heroic, no matter that it was being carried out by the nominal hero of the show. I just think the writers were exploring a different facet of Jim's character, good or bad. Television has long had a tendency to portray things in black and white until recently, where grey is becoming more common, and for that, I am grateful.

"Situation like this, there's a high potentiality for the common m$@%*rf^&!#r to bitch out."

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[–] printsofdarkness 19 years ago

zuzuu, I know YOU didn't-I meant the fifth poster.

"Situation like this, there's a high potentiality for the common m$@%*rf^&!#r to bitch out."

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[–] Birdofire1 19 years ago

Thanks for clearing that up prints' :) I was cornfused as well :D
I have to agree with the comment on the context in which the interrogation was done. If it had been portrayed as reality TV and real cops who did it I would object very much so since that's not how any cop I know would act.
But as a dramatization, it's exploring Jim's character and as a piece of fiction I don't hold it to the same rules as real life.
If you want a show where the hero always does the right thing go watch Walker: Texas Ranger (which I happen to enjoy very muchly). However I have to say I get the feeling sometimes that Mr Walker should have had a big red S on his chest :D
Anyway, I am able to separate real life from fiction and so I thoroughly intend to enjoy the show in spite of all that.
May all those who can't, find something 'better' to amuse themselves with (preferably without writing in to cancel the show!) so that we who do may enjoy this peacefully as long as it may last, amen LOL
I still think they should give the dog some action :D you can't accuse the dog of torture when he's protecting his person right??? :P

[–] AlexMorgan13 19 years ago

people need to get over it... i'm tired of hearing people complain about defendant's rights...

obviously this kind of stuff shouldn't happen all the time... but i think it should be a case by case basis, where they pretty much know the guy is guilty like in the last episode...

i mean come on who really thought that the guy didn't molest the children?

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