The 'Whatever' dude


There always has to be some idiot cynic come along and make an ass of himself doesn't there? What was that guy's trip?

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I thought he was "hired" or scripted, at first, it seemed so off skelter. I was really upset at that guy. Knowing people like that in real life makes me wonder about his authenticity.

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I feel the same way about that guy, but also people must realize that not everyone goes with the flow about everything. He was obviously just trying to work the bird feeder up into a flurry for his own betterment. There's always someone who wants to bring the house down, so I'm not too surprised, especially in a city such as San Francisco. Who knows where he's from, but he was a jerk either way. I thought it was a cool opening though.

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I agree. I also felt that the encounter felt scripted. Their brief encounter allowed Mark to encapsulate very quickly and succinctly what the whole documentary was going to be about.

I also found it curious that the guy left and scurried away. Why did he do that? He had nothing to fear. Maybe because his job (acting as a foil to Mark's situation) was done??????

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It could have been scripted, but if it weren't I can understand why he left. The cameras. Probably got a bit self-conscious that there was at least one camera trained on him.

I also suspect the encounter was much longer than what we saw, and due to the film's editing, it appeared as if he left away suddenly.


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def and actor. You can tell because of the reverse angle shot. no way you can have a two shot dialogue without it being scripted..or having two camera setups, which i highly doubt they had.

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Can't you tell by pants?

He's a Republican!

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Absolutely, he was probably wondering why the birds liked Mark whereas children and animals flee from him like the plague. At least he has Iraq to be happy about.

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Without a doubt - totally scripted. It was no accident that schill was wearing kakis and a light blue oxford. Typical propoganda.

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Holy crap, you're paranoid. Maybe it was scripted, maybe it wasn't. I don't think he was meant to be of any political persuasion. He was just a huge freaking jerk. Geez.

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Holy crap, you're naive. Geez.

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Holy crap, you're just another whiny crybaby Republican. All you ever do is scream "WAHHHH everyone picks on me cause they don't do as I say." The whole lot of you and YOUR intolerant group should be removed from decent society. Why did you come in this thread for a wonderful film just to whine and cry? Might want to check your Pampers first before trying to wipe anyone eles's behind.

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In terms of his identity as a Republican, for me the horn-rimmed glasses were the tip off. And also the fact that he was reacting exactly as my dad would have reacted had he been there. Except I don't think my dad would have gone to the lengths of trying to shame Mark, which I think was his goal. But the thought process would have been the same, basically, "Get a JOB!"

I thought it was kind of heartless. It's his life, what's it hurting that guy.

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Man, there's a lot of prejudice going on here. You can tell someone's a Republican just by how they dress and what type of glasses they wear? I get tired of the blanket assumption that anyone a liberal remotely dislikes for any reason must be a Republican. It's prejudiced, both in the assumption that all Republicans are bad and that all liberals are good--that sort of simplistic us vs. them thinking is how wars start. I thought as liberals we're supposed to be open minded. The guy kind of got on my nerves a bit too, but I've met plenty of these types who carry their own little rain cloud of self-righteous disapproval with them wherever they go, and in my experience uptight jerks like this cross all boundaries of race, color, creed and religion. Besides, do they even let Republicans into San Francisco? I thought that's what the toll gates on the bridges were for.

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I think I know my own kind when I see one....and yes, I have been to San Francisco, so apparently, your security isn't that tight!

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Even better yet, what is anyone's problem with the "whatever" comment?

The temerity of people on this board?!

The guy obviously didn't understand, and he admitted so. But he did not condemn. He merely said, "whatever," and walked away. That is tantamount to saying, "to each his own."

Did he go after anyone? No.
Did he criticize? No.
Did he cry like a little loser on this site? No.
Did he quitely walk away and mind his own business after observing something new? Yes.

Apparantly the intolerant liberal Democrats have a problem with this (as usual). After all, if you don't agree with them, then you're open for ridicule and persecution.

San Francico Democrats - The most intolerant, self-indulgant bunch the world has ever seen. If you don't believe me, just check out the posts on this board.

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I thought inclusion of the "Whatever" man added a wonderful touch to the film. He says aloud what many others think to themselves. His repeated attempts to quickly categorize his experiences spoke volumes about the demands of his daily life.

But what I liked most was that the filmmaker was careful not to make fun of him or to make him look stupid. It would have been easy to do. Instead, the "Whatever" man asks the awkward and obvious questions, allowing the audience to set them aside.

I suspect the "Whatever" man was just as moved as the rest of us by this beautiful documentary. And if not, that's OK too.

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I'm glad there's a thread on this guy because he really stood out, and I was wondering if anyone else was irritated by him. There's certainly value in cynicism, and a city like San Francisco has its share of bleeding hearts (including me, at times), but the "Whatever" guy seemed needlessly confrontational.

Still, I agree that he served a needed role in the documentary, and I'm glad the filmmaker let him have his say without demonizing him. That's what the Internet is for! ;-)

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He just didn't get it. It's not his fault. You can't be angry at a rock for not moving. He was just at a different place in his journey.

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call me weird but i actually felt sorry for the 'whatever' guy, he seemed so wrapped up in his corporate existence that he couldn't quite understand the concept of someone doing something for free and for the love of something else. he seemed kind of lonely and dull. at least he took an interest in what was going on though, he didn't just walk past. questions are the first step to understanding another person's way of life, so we can give him that.

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"His corporate existence"

That is absolutely brainless.

How do you make any sort of assertion that he is part of the IRS classification of a corporation?

Do you know what a corporation is?

Before you answer that a corporation is "a group of people working towards a common goal," perhaps you should consider how the folks of SF would describe their existence.

The platitude has been put to you so much that you don't even know the denotation of the word. At least you are reading this and learning; I can give you that.

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According to the "American Heritage dictionary" - n. 1.A body of persons acting under a legal charter as a seperate entity having it's own rights, privileges, and liabilities. 2. Such a body created for purposes of government.

But whatever - right? lol

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they guy just didn't quite get why... He wasnt malicious or anything, just pretty damned indifferent.

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Yeah. There are a lot more "whatever dudes" in San Francisco now than there used to be. I think that's why he's in there. He's a part of teh message of the film, IMO. If you watch ending again there's a subtle message realting to the yuppies who kicked bird dude out. Did you notice they cut down a cypress tree? I think it's a metaphor for the changes going on in SF.

Yes, SF is being invaded by "whatever dudes." These uptight jerks followed to dot com money and never left. They are changing The City into an untight scene. These pople seem to actually enjoy being rude. They don't appreciate art, or music or beauty. All they care about is money. Their cars generally mean more to them than their wifes do. I wish they'd all go back where they came from and leave us alone to live our lives in peace.

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I totally have to agree with that. I've noticed those changes as well. I thought San Francisco represented the re-birth of the new age. The 60's movement was phenomenal and actually accpomplished a lot based there in SF. But damn, what is going on now?

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I really thought this scene seemed scripted.

Maybe it was meant to be a dramatization and synthesis of various people who have confronted Mark while he is with the parrots.

I didn't really see him as a "republican" or "yuppie." These are just labels anyway, and it's funny to use them on a guy that was obviously obsessed with labels.

He just seems to be a very closed off person. He's attached himself to a few basic concepts and the logic of how these concepts are related. Concepts like "wild" and "tame" or "owned" and "free."

Mark's whole situation didn't fit with his logic. He's kind of like a machine. "DOES NOT COMPUTE, whir, buzz." Or, in modern human speech, "Whatever."

There are many "liberals" and "free spirits" who are just as attached to their own dogmatic world views and whose reactions are just as automatic.

That was really what I liked about Mark. He has the wisdom to get beyond some of these dualistic thoughts.

How you gonna keep them down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus?

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"yuppies who kicked bird dude out"

Some folks might call them home owners.

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