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true story? + devastating


the films feels as if the writer had lived through many of these experiences... a really raw simple film...

*SPOILER*

otherwise, i found the rape scene toward the end to be devastating! i personally think it was a mistake to place this as a plot point and it ruined several elements of the film for me... probably since the story has this feeling of realness to it, so this scenario ends up being quite unbearable... although i think it was a mistake, the director at least managed to make me feel very angry about that whole situation... however, for what end or purpose? using such shocking moments can be engaging but as a whole i think it spoils the film.

the other twists were fine, particularly the case that she ended up changing his life for the better - but the ending also seemed a bit rushed...

Carpe Diem

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Based on a novel right?

I think it was not jus to evoke emotion out of you. You know it's coming, but I think it actually shows a bit more of her character. It's hard to find a photo album left behind after a girl moves away when there's no big change or reason to ahve her move away. Her being a virgin as well, definitely shows a different intriguing side about her and gives closure as to whether she was all talk or not.

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Well, one of the writer's is named Chimo... so I suppose that this was based (either partially or fully) on his real experiences.

Then as usual the more experienced director and co-writer polished up the screenplay... if the rape scene is based on a real event then he definitely cannot avoid it. if so, then writing this story would have some how helped him cope with the traumatic episode.

i'm sure there'd be some information about this in the French (or festival) media so if anyone has checked up they can let us know...

otherwise, there's not much to this film... it's this guys personal story. many people have such stories to tell and this at least made us know what it is to feel like in Chimo's shoes... thankfully, i don't have to wear it

Carpe Diem

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The rape was essential -- if you read the book, it's even worse -- actually it's unbearable to even think about. It's supposedly autobiographical -- but it's a mystery as to what is actually true. The writer did receive proceeds off the book and wrote another book and disappeared. The writing by Chimo is spectacular -- he has a real gift. Unfortunately, if the ending in the book is actually true, I am afraid it will haunt him the rest of his life.

The real story was set in October-November of 1995 and in the projects outside of Paris, not in Marseille. Lila's dialogue was even more sensational and the bike ride is one of most erotic descriptions ever.

The movie is actually really lyrical because of the music and airy because of the Marseille locale, although old and quaint. In the book, the writing is sheer storytelling at its best. Lila's dialogue is a strange form of poetry and Chimo's telling of it and the projects (which is examined in all its horror)is even better.

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The story wouldnt have proven its intentions without the rape, since for 90 minutes, the movie makes us believe like Chimo believes the 'truth'. We share his beliefs, his doubts and his regrets. However, when the rape occurs (which I believe is only committed by one of his 3 'friends'), a total new truth appears, explaining all unanswered questions, making a paradox itself. And as good stories do, they never end up good (in that way it leaves us with a 'regret feeling').
I can only surrender myself into the great plot and fantasy of this story, but it would be naive to assume it as a true story. Reality, spiced with imagination, is what creates a good story. Leave out the rape, the crazy aunt, and the separation of Chimo and Lila, and what remains is something close to what I believe the truth.

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Yeah the ending made me really angry. Not at the movie but at men, heh.

I loved the movie, though it was flawed there was just something about it that made me get involved with the characters, Chimo and Lila. And the truth is I suspected throughout the whole film that she was just playing at the fantasy of being this sexual being. The way that she experimented with what she said and always looked at him when she said it as if gaging is reaction, like she was a girl discovering what sexuality was and how she could use hers. But she only wanted to use it for him.

It was so sad at the end. And *SPOILERS*




When he says "I haven't seen Lila yet." I keep hoping that means that he'll see her again, and they'll be together. In the context of the movie(without the book or true story) I want that to be truth. I want them to be together. Because they were just perfect for one another.

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One big message here is that if you walk the walk and talk the talk, people are going to believe it! Girls need to wake up and realize that they can't act and talk trashy then have people believe they're sweet and innocent! The face you show the public is what is going to be believed.

The boys who attacked her and the man who ran after her on the street believed she was what she claimed to be. Why should they think she was an innocent if she never spoke or acted that way? It was difficult for me to feel sorry for her because she led all of the men to believe that she was available to the extreme. She never once acted as if she was a virgin and/or innocent. She acted as if she could tease males and remain safe. She tormented poor Chimo! Did she think acting as she did~available to anyone~would get him to have sex with her?

The truth about society is that, if you act a certain way, there are going to be repercussions. Those boys likely had no idea that that was rape, not with this girl boasting to everyone who would listen that the Devil visited her for sex, describing it to the priest. Wherever she lived, this would happen if she acted like such a nasty little creature. Again, I could not pity her. I pity the women and girls who do nothing to provoke that sort of thinking and, worse attacks. Most rape victims gave no provocation; often, their homes are broken into, or they are accosted places they thought were safe.

I see too many females acting like Lila and so much worse. The problem is, males will believe the "advertising". The attack that occurs is believable and should be a warning to girls. How do you suppose Lila could defend herself in court, which is what a rape victim can expect?

~~MystMoonstruck~~

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Great. So now it was Lila's fault. And the way you put it SIR, it's always the woman's fault. You SIR need to have your head examined!! And I wish I could warn all the future women who might encounter you ..

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I am not a sir. I am a 57-year-old woman with a lifetime of observance and experience of human behavior. What I said is painfully true. I had two friends who experienced this very thing. Both thought that they could act like Lila. Sadly, each was raped because her behavior was misinterpreted; I know because they admitted that they had acted as if they were~let us say~extremely experienced and ready for any guy who interested them. They were not together; these were separate incidents. It was our first year in college.

As I said, rape does happen to women who are not behaving that way. Those women have not placed themselves in harm's way. That's an important factor: placing yourself in harm's way~acting in a dangerous way and going places that can be dangerous for you. Watch series such as "City Confidential" and others that recreate crimes, and you will begin to see patterns.

I have never placed myself in a situation where my behavior will be misinterpreted. Do not act like what you are not. Once on a first date with someone, I was startled when he made references to going back to his place and "getting to know each other", and what he said after, made it clear that he expected sex. I was in my 30s then, so perhaps he thought I was an experienced person~which I was not. I told him that I thought we would go to a movie or simply go someplace to talk; I told him that that is how people get to know each other. When he persisted, I demanded that he take me back home, which I was relieved that he did because this seemingly nice guy had shown a side of himself that had put me on edge. If I had gone with him, who knows what might have happened?

Young girls and even women need to think about their actions. The way people see you act is what they believe you are. It's as simple as that. Why, people are even convinced that actors and actresses are the way they appear! I'm saying that Lila said and did foolish things that led men and boys to believe what they did. Look at Lila through their eyes, not your sympathetic ones. What does she look like? What is she acting like? What kind of girl is she? Chimo was someone she could trust. But, she can't play the same games with men!

Please learn to be cautious. I see girls and women acting in such ways and thinking that they're safe, that all they have to say is, "Stop." Sadly, this isn't true in the world, not back in the early Seventies, as with my friends (both of whom were virgins who hadn't even dated yet~yes, many of us were very innocent), or now, when a girl can leave a bar with a couple of guys and never be seen again. Gil Grissom on "CSI" had a line something like, "If people knew the dangers waiting for them out there, they'd never leave the house." You do not travel in a protective bubble. Act promiscious, and the wrong people are going to believe it. Please don't invite it by trying to prove how attractive you are. I see this behavior on TV, in the movies and, of course, in real life.

My rule throughout my life: Proceed with caution.

~~MystMoonstruck~~

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so you're really saying that it was all her fault, just phrasing it in a way that could seem logical, if you had no HEART.
No one, least of all a young girl, which is what i am, deserves that. NO ONE...
I watched this movie riveted by Lila as she tried to make sense of her sexuality. What she said she said only for Chimo. She never said such things for anyone else (Except the Priest).
As a female, i can't believe anyone would say what you did. Anyone has the right to say things that maybe people disagree with and people may assume from them what ever they want, but that does not should NEVER warrant assault.
Really, shame on you!

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I think you are missing her point. She, in my opinion, is obviously not saying that Lila's assault was warranted!

What she is saying, simply, is that perceived behavior can have consequences so caution is necessary. Shame on you for not "hearing" what someone with much more life experience than you is saying. You don't have to agree 100% but don't dismiss it either.

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here, here. Enough said.

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no matter how lascivious or slutty a girl may act, it never will and never has justified 'societal consequences' in the form of rape or abuse as you portray it here. It's not the girl's fault if society 'believes the advertising' and she should NOT have to change her behaviour to 'walk in caution'. It's a societal defect and that's what needs to be addressed, not the alleged promiscuity of any one girl. Applying simple cause-and-effect thinking to this is a rather fatuous approach to the rape matter, leave alone the implication that, if 'the advertising' were in fact true, the likelihood of the girl getting raped should be somehow higher.

While everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, I find the conclusions you draw from this wonderful and shocking film rather dangerous... and I'm a man.

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I think I only saw half an hour of this movie and turned it off not because I was shocked by Lila's dirty talk but that kind of people just piss me of who try to act cool and brag about the sex they had. Made me think of another utter boring and depressing movie American Beauty and indeed the girl proves here too to be a virgin in the end. Lila was not that innocent as she did play with Chimo's thing on the bike. I din't think of that as beautiful to be honest.
Ok I would have felt sorry is she was raped, she was not a bad girl. But on the other hand I am not too suprised about the ending and that she was a virgin too. I guess I was right turning it of...

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It's not the girl's fault if society 'believes the advertising' and she should NOT have to change her behaviour to 'walk in caution'


What a load of croc !!

Of course rape is never justified that is not what is being said here. What is being said is that if you are aware that your actions may lead to such consequences then you should MODIFY YOUR behavior to prevent such actions occurring.

Yes it may be a societal defect as you say but think about this. Would you walk down a dark alley in the Bronx wearing gold and diamonds on show and then blame the muggers who attack you for everything ? Are you not also a fool for going down there in the first place ?

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Yeah, but she lived alone in the dark alley. And the problem wasn't really reckless behavior, but hanging out with the most non-threatening guy...

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I'm really not sure I watched the same movie as some of you because I don't see anything wrong with Lila actions or how they could have possibly provoked the rape.

If I recall correctly the boys assumed she was a slut before she said a word just because of the way she looked. Before anything sexual was revealed to them the boy said "girls like that don't just have 1 boyfriend" They also assumed from the gray "limo" she got in at night which was revealed to be her babysitting job. Was it really her responsibility to exclaim to the world that she was babysitting and not prostituting? It really seems like her business to me and a result of a dumb assumption from stupid boys who can't think about anything but sex when they see a beautiful female.

Also the only person she said anything sexual to was Chimo, which is understandable being that she was trying to turn him on. None of the stuff she said to Chimo was meant for other people to hear and was only heard from a guy that was trespassing and eavesdropping.

When she tells her Aunt about the devil she points out its the first time she's said something sexual to her, and she did it to scare her creepy aunt who was constantly sexually abusing her. I don't think she believed the whole town would hear it.

And how in hell's name could the guys not know it was rape. They clearly broke into a locked door( if that doesn't say "no" I don't know what does). And every time they approached her with their lude comments(which I remind you the very first comments they made towards her were sexual)she ignored them. I don't see how in any way that's letting them on at all.

Now I'm not gonna say your comments don't hold any weight, but I do not see how they are very relevant to this movie because the only thing Lila was guilty of was being beautiful in a society that viewed attractive women as nothing more than sex objects.



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I disagree with this post.

While, for the most part, Chimo's friends assumed her type without having known her at all, his counterpart said that she touched herself when she looked at him --- though this may or may not be a lie, and either [lie or truth] has equal back-up.

So I can only say that, even though Lila may have only intended to share her come-hither's with Chimo, talking pornographically in public or dressing in short skirts without panties, aware of the elders in the waiting room who are hearing the explicitness of your "alter ego" --- and then brushing their, "You Slut!" reaction off shamelessly as though it would not translate to others outside of Chimo, is still recklessness, and mild awareness of that recklessness. She openly ignored this by choice.

Trusting Chimo's character is also irresponsible thinking; how could she have known that he wouldn't have shared her sexual acts on him with others? You can not predict or secure a guy's actions or reactions just because of the default traits they portray to you personally, especially not when he believes you and doesn't know what to make of it in his private mind. It's like a roll of dice. You do not know what goes on in another's mind, and there are some "sweet, shy, resistant guys" who will share received sexual acts and/or spite this kind of, "I'm an all-around girl" behavior at the end of the day to the point of exposing them.

His mother viewed her as a sexual teenager because that type of culture has certain socially pushed standards, and "showing your thighs" is "a sin" to them; these are things she openly ignored by choice.

And it doesn't matter for who it was. When has it, when it becomes used as a foothold for overexaggerated exposure?

Talking the way she was to Chimo, riding around on a bike in a skirt without underthings and walking throughout town with the wind flying it up, having fantasy porn comics, is still enough "expression" to possibly provoke a bad ending through other parties no matter what shape or form it comes in. You can not talk that way, dress that way, or act that way in general and expect it to be confined to "this one guy you're testing" when there's more than just "you and this guy" in your society. People WILL eavesdrop, people WILL overhear, people WILL pry [more or less women], people WILL find a way to use these actions against you, things WILL get around, you WILL put off a vibe, and to prevent all this from being used against you, it's best to not portray or have these messages/materials existing at all if you are not that portrayal [this is basic tact].

Or any kind of lie for that matter, because lies always catch up on you. It can build up to this, fair or not; these things are not about fairness, and thinking fairness is privileged or everyone is "victimized" is not realistic in a world where most of our actions hold some grain of responsibility.

However, I do agree that the jealousy of Chimo's friend was the biggest fuel to fire in all this. For that, I felt her actions weren't exactly equal to what ended up happening, and I don't think it was fully fueled by her actual provocation, it just gave the already jealous boys "a leg to stand on." At the same time, I also feel like she could've practiced much better responsibility in awareness and not have been flaunting a persona that didn't exist period, regardless of who it is you're "only telling" [and where you're telling it], and allow no such messages to hit the air at all, or it will bite you back in the most unexpected, painful way. On her part, she was a victim of her own naviete and there was indeed a lack of responsibility here, as I feel was the point, though the second side of this is also fuled by the envy in those boys, if not being the real root. But you don't want to give the root any "extra limbs" or have wrong-place-wrong-time "connect the dot" pieces lying in reach to "nurture it," because it ends up being used as "they're right" validation because you allowed it to exist.

So for me it's all the combination of both. Without these elements the add-up would not have felt real, so it all played its parts, because it was supposed to, and for that, it made a great movie.

After all, this movie was not like Malena, where the woman sends no messages to anyone at all and does not playfully/naively encite possible public mistranslations or accidental interpretations being exposed ---- save for what her misunderstood lifestyle eventually pushed her to. She was silent, close-lipped, and private; yet the town saw her as a whore because she was beautiful, and literally that was it; which admittedly made it hard for me to view it as a believable foundation, but still, it was a good movie. Lila's different attitude is partially due to her age and molestation by her aunt, and I feel that this naviete concoction it created was a big, important part of her; it showed a teen innocence to me. A greenness I see in teenaged girls today, who think selection can limit or prevent consequence when lying about being up under thousands of men.

I can only speak for the movie, though. I have never read the book.

That being said, I enjoyed the surreal sensuality this movie carried; I just also understand the argument being argued here, only because I've been Lila quite a few times in high school. Although I was only expressing overt sexuality to a sweet boy I liked [mainly through dress code], expressing it at all -- when it wasn't my character -- was counterproductive in different ways. For Lila, it was almost counterproductive in regards to her relationship with Chimo, who would grow insecure and begin to get angry at the image he believed to be the truth about her anyway because he questioned her loyalty or depth in any future romance --- so it could've sacrificed that if the story had been written that way, because some boys do get to that mentality.

All in all I think the movie went the way it was designed to, with all elements intending to play their parts [both Lila's, the boys, the society, and etc. It all went together].

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Your opinion is disgusting.

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It seemed to me as though Lila was living in an abusive household which greatly influenced her actions, especially her fixation on all things sexual. How would you process an aunt that wanted to stare at your heavenly, blonde vagina?

I thought that the whole point of all of her excessively provocative conversation matter was to reflect her naivety. She had never experienced all of the things she spoke of. They were only pictures in a book, a bizarre fantasy world of a confused girl. There's no way that a girl that young (or any woman) should have expected for her home to be broken into, have her aunt tied up, and to get raped.

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Shame on you. It doesn't matter if a girl is walking around totally covered up or completely naked, rape is rape. We should never shift the focus from the offender to the victim in rape cases. And you really are justifying the actions of the rapist by implying that he was provoked by the woman to rape her (because of her behaviour). As a man myself, let me enlighten you with a little knowledge: we, men, are not mindless sexual creatures who are unable to control ourselves once we are aroused. If a woman says 'no', we are able to walk away - no matter how she is dressed or how promiscuous she may appear. Some men unfortunately want to get a power-fix by degrading a women or person who they feel is easy to dominate (which is why many attackers wait until the victim is drunk, drugged, or vulnerable). So basically, there is never any justification for rape. A rapist is always going to rape because he craves power and control - as a woman, as a human, you should be ashamed by your hideous, misogynistic words.

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Yes, they were perfect for each other and in my heart, I hope so badly that they end up together again.

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pinkmoon just got bitch slapped.

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SPOILER!!!

I share your anger towards the rape scene, (basically the start of the end of this film), but at the same time, it is movies like this that make me love foreign films even more. "Hollywood" endings replaced by real life scenarios.

The fact that the movie ended the way it did sets it apart from the rest! More often than not I found myself being able to relate to Chimo, (Young love/lust for a girl more adventurous than myself, and figuring out how to figure her out((i.e. not going after her after she confesses her love for you)) It's frustrating, but it's REAL!

Movies that surprise you, and don't end the way you want them to are a dying breed. Don't give in to the ADD culture that is today, instead, embrace TRUE cinema when you see it.

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