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Saddam Hussein brought war upon his nation, period.


This movie touched me deeply. I am a mother to three young boys and could not for one minute imagine them (or anyone's children for that matter) alone, frightened and basically left for dead as these children were.
Many times during this film, I kept wondering where the adults were? I realize many if not all of these children were orphans, but why were there no adults to watch over them? Did anyone else notice the absence of females? Except for Agrin, there didn't seem to be any. I realize these were dire circumstances, but were there no adults to watch over these children?

While I firmly believe the US has the blood of the innocent on its own hands, people are quick to blame us soley for the war with Iraq. Saddam Hussein was a ruthless, sociopathic, murderer of his own people as well. While he slept in palaces made of 24 carat gold, his own people were starving to death. In July 1999, Forbes Magazine estimated Saddam Hussein's personal wealth at $6 billion, acquired primarily from oil and smuggling. For 20+ years, the greatest threat to Iraqis has been Saddam Hussein's regime...he has killed, tortured, raped and terrorized the Iraqi people and his neighbors for over 20 years. HE brought all the suffering and war upon his nation.

Amd who are the victims? Too bad we can't ask the mostly women and children who were chemically attacked in the 1988-89 Anfal campaign which targeted the Kurdish people in northern Iraq to the most widespread attack of chemical weapons ever used against a civilian population. Saddam's Iraqi military attacked a number of towns and villages in northern Iraq with a vengeance! In the town of Halabja alone, an estimated 5,000 civilians were killed and more than 10,000 were injured. I wonder which palace Saddam then settled into afterwards for a nice dinner and relaxation?

Where has our humanity gone? When did it become acceptable to watch people starve to death or die from lack of medical care? When did we acquire the right to burn someone's home to the ground and then commit the unthinkable and rape their children and leave them for dead? Is it because we have blood lust for more money, more power, more, more, more??! "You don't look like I do! You don't pray the way I do! You don't talk the way I do!" These children are victims of the worst kind of indifference. The kind that is so hell-bent on power and greed. The children in this film speak volumes on this. They, the future generations for their own countries, suffer the worst.

At the end of the film, we see Satellite standing by the side of the road, leaning on a crutch, holding the slippers of the now dead girl that held any possibility of hope of someone, anyone, to love and love him, watching as the American forces invade his country. He turns away and you can literally see the "man" in him shrink away. The "man" that had risen out of him on such young shoulders to lead and protect all the others. To give hope and purpose to their young lives. But now the child returns, brow-beaten and empty. The reality of his life now apparant. He is expendable. Just as the child and the girl were. Who will really notice or care that they are now gone? Will it make the world stop turning? The mines were metaphors for what they are. Once useful, now traded for something worth more, only to be used again and discarded. These children were used by all those around them for work, for sex, for the need to survive only to be forgotten and thrown away. The soldiers run past them as if the don't even exist. That is their reality now. That's is why Satellite walks away.




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yeah, bush invaded iraq because hussein was a very evil man, and he wanted to save the people from his regime.... if that's what you want to believe, then go ahead, whatever makes you feel less guilty. there are plenty of other nations whom are under the control of some 'evil doer', some that are even worse off than iraq was, but we seemed to have ignored them. if you don't ask yourself why, then i suggest you keep living in your bubble. this war, like most, boils down to money, which equals power, that's it. i don't blame the americans who were brave enough to join the forces, theyre in my thoughts, and i hope they come hope quickly, and safley, i blame to egomaniac super powers that to be honest, don't give a toss about one human life, never mind 1,000s.

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" there are plenty of other nations whom are under the control of some 'evil doer', some that are even worse off than iraq was, but we seemed to have ignored them. "

I agree. Like, dunno...half of the African continent?

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This is why the u.s is in iraq
get your head out of your ass


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The United States Of America is in Iraq simply because Saddam Hussein stuck his middle finger up at us and the world one too many times. We will continue to be there as many of the radicals make their way there to try to defeat us. All the while, Saddam treated his own people miserably. Those making comments somehow blaming Bush for all of this can sympathize with the enemy all they want, but if the enemy wins and you ever find yourself (or your children) living under their rule, you will wish you had seen it differently. The world is a messy place, and the consequences of our actions effect people far beyond ourselves.

Iraq could not have made this film while Saddam was in power. It the first made after he was overtaken. Think!

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I agree, America watched many genocidal events through the 20th century in Africa and now Iraq was the country selected to defeat a regime of "terror" Give me a break. Please watch Hotel Rwanda. There would have been welcomed US marine ass-kicking troops. Not the UN *beep* troops. Hum! How about this: Fireup google earth and load the Darfur plugin and watch the villages burned to the ground. But Fox News keep repeating like parrots that it was Irak the one that needed saving. Of course, that is where the bloody oil is!

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Oh, gawrsh...I thought we were in Iraq because there were WMDs and because Iraq was behind the 9-11 attacks, and and and...

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I don't think there's anyway to justify the killing of innocent people. If you think Iraqis are better off with a civil war than a ruthless dictator, you're wrong. There's no way you can win this war. You don't know who you're fighting or what you're fighting for. This is not the America that helped the world stop the Nazis, this is the America that has been mass-murdering brown people ever since.

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America was murdering brown people since before that.

But then, so were brown people. And white people were murdering white people too.

The problem with trying to generalize about "what a nation is" is that every answer is both right and wrong at the same time. The U.S. and its agents have committed many really terrible acts, indisputably so. They've also committed a lot of dollars to various kinds of efforts (including military) that have undeniably done the world a lot of good. Even when you try to go at it by looking at a particular event, you still have this problem. Looking at whether any particular U.S. war was good, even WWII (which many people still look at as a prime example of a "good war"), you're going to find a lot of good and a lot of bad.

The unique problem with Iraq (well, not that unique, when you think about events like the Gulf of Tonkin) is that it's so clear we never should have gone, that other people had the invasion of Iraq in mind so much earlier, and that this was a huge marketing effort (cf. Andy Card) designed to misdirect not only public opinion but Congress itself. It's undoubtedly true that when you try to come up with an absolute answer as to why we got into any particular war, you can't get one. Some people were involved in the Revolution because of a deep belief that it was right to gain freedom from England. Some supported it because it was going to be good for them money-and-property-wise. But it does seem that as time has gone on, both the percentage of people (and corporations) who are in it for the money and power angles is getting bigger, as are the efforts to cover up that cynical motivation with hyperpatriotic rhetoric; that is, the gap between the purported motivation and the actual motivation seems to be going very strongly in the wrong direction.

Anyway, bottom line, we shouldn't have been in Iraq. Of course they were living under a dictator. So are many other countries. Who's next in line, and how long does that line extend? Does anybody really believe "freedom" was ever the point, given the fact that the PNAC guys were pushing even Clinton to invade Iraq? Is it a coincidence that all this has happened under a White House headed by two big-oil guys? Seems obvious to me. Painfully. And how are those oil companies and construction subsidiaries (Halliburton et al.) doing these days? You know, the ones with the record profits?

Honestly, why even one person would vote for anybody behind this disaster is beyond me. And by "disaster," I mean disaster for us. For those in the top income brackets, things are absolutely great. For the big companies, never better.

I agree with you also that there's no way to win this war, thanks to President (or Vice President) Jack Ripper. Launch the attacks, get full commitment, now we're in it for good. We act while you report how we act--remember that White House staffer's statement? The one who said the problem with the interviewer (and with the rest of us, by extension) is that we're too wrapped up in the "reality-based" world, while guys like Bush and Cheney were out there creating their own realities for us?

Well, here we are after seven-plus years, with that reality-based world receding more and more into the distance.

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didn't you hear? Saddam made Colin Powell take his phony WMD diagrams to the UN and lie for Dubya and Cheney


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Yawn.

I bet you also like to justify events such as the slave trade and the stolen generation by saying the white men are elevating the black men from their primitive society.

Stupid Yank. At least admit the reason for your war. Not like we didn't know what Vietnam was all about...

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IF you believe that then why doesn't the US do anything about other countries which have a lot of civil war?

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I didnt see the movie, but I just have to react to this discussion because it makes me soooo mad. US invaded the country without any obvious reason (no, WMD wasnt there and most of 9/11 attackers was from Saudi Arabia). US killed Iraqi president. Yes he was a dictator who killed and hurt many people, but not more than Bush ( will there be any trial with him?I dont think so)did and he was respected by many people in Iraq and it is more and more obvious now that he was able to keep the country in relative peace and even though I dont agree with his methods we should aknowledge that whats happening there now is huge social and political catastrophy and nobody knows how to control things...US messed up big times and I find it very upseting that they are still able to cover their eyes and stubornly pretend that they are heros who bring the freedom

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heaven forbid people blame the US for falsifying intelligence, lying to the UN, starting a totally optional war based on false pretenses, and heavily propagandizing American citizens about how their freedom was in jeopardy, because Saddam was going to invade America again like he did on 9/11

what a load of horsesh*t!

I'm one of the Americans who was called a traitor and told to leave my country by a bunch of slack-jawed yokels who actually believed that crap, and I've got to say, your denial and finger pointing is pathetic


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