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very upset about this.... SPOILER of course

posted 15 years ago by mb935
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I understand Agrin's issue with her child and wanting to leave this world and her life behind. But what I dont get is why kill him and herself? Why kill the child - when she said herself someone would care for him if she and her brother left. She then tries to save the child by tying him to a tree in hopes someone would find him (or at least I think - someone mentioned she tied him to a minefield which of course would translate totally differently - but I dont remember seeing mines around - I thought he came untied and wandered there)

Anyway some people also mentioned that she killed the child for the sake of her brother but I actually think he WAS capable of caring for him. It would have been difficult - but he already proved he could - taking off the child's bandage, carrying him, picking him up etc. Plus the child was getting older too - the baby phase was coming to an end.

I just felt that her suicide would be enough. I know that sounds brutal - Im just saying why kill this child when she was going to leave this world anyway. We knew this would happen as did she because of the many attempts throughout the film. UNLESS (and Im just thinking this now) she tried so many times before but having him dead was the only way she could actually go through with it. When she was in the water she saved herself when she saw him (Im still wondering if it was really him or her imagination - because he was asleep when she returned). So maybe even though she desired death so much - it was he who was keeping her alive and when he was dead she could finally die as well.....

Which now leads me to think more into the mind of the writer of the film and ask why couldnt he have been saved. As viewers it was like our minds were toyed with. This child is first abandoned in the middle of nowhere - but he's found pretty quickly (and in a good mood). Im sure we all thought he was killed by the mine - but he wasnt even hurt. Then we see the premonition of him being drowned and I dont think Im alone in thinking (hoping) that he would be saved from that as well. So why couldnt/wouldnt he have been saved a third time - (thats where it seemed like it was going) he had a uncle who could see into the future for crying out loud (of course he tried).

I know its the typical Hollywood ending for everything to work out (even with Agril's suicide - as awful as it sounds its what she wanted) - but the horrible death of a baby??? Or at least dying in an explosion is less suffering than drowning. I just feel that his death was just cruel. Cruel to him, his brother, Satelite (who was there) and to us.

Which now i have to ask - why WAS satelite there?? And how did he know he was in the water????

[–] Iostars 15 years ago

I've only watched the movie once (so I'll probably need to watch it again to get a better idea), but I think Agrin probably killed herself because she felt guilty for killing the child. Remember that she shed tears when she left him in the mists. As for Satellite, he saw the child's body because he was looking for a real red fish in the pond, because the ones given to him by Shirookh turned out to be fake ones (they're red because they're bloodied).

[–] atrochez 14 years ago

Good observations, and just to add, I believe it was only her imagination when she saw the child in the scene where she was going to burn herself in the pond. When she returns to the tent, we see that the child is still tied up by the leg.

Perhaps she didn't* really want to kill herself and used the hallucination as a crutch to not yet take her life away. (at least that's what I got out of it, anyway)

[–] Indydan13 14 years ago

She's a adolescent girl, probably no more than 13 or so who after losing her parents was raped into pregnancy.

Do you really expect her to act rationally?

That's my belief and I'm sticking to it.

[–] doxmom 14 years ago

I agree that she's a 13 year old rape victim and there's no understanding her actions. I did think, however, that she didn't want him to have to grow up since he was disabled, and he was the product of a rape by another ethnicity. I thought that she felt that she was saving him from a life of hell.

[–] calutombley 13 years ago

What I think is that she felt the child was cursed, she called him bastard and obviously she felt like she could never love him because he was the constant reminder of what have happened. Remember their religion is no way similar to ours, as a woman she was doomed and so was her child. Maybe she felt like they were both better off dead. This was very sad indeed, especially since I'm a mother myself.

[–] lombano 10 years ago

I hadn't seen it quite that way - I'd thought Agrine was driven by hate for the boy as he was a reminder of what had been done to her. But your explanation seems more plausible - that though of course she didn't love the boy, she didn't hate him enough to really want to kill him. Let's face it, she could've done it by strangling him or whatever at any point when she was left alone with him. Also, it seems, at least that time in the pond, that thinking of the boy stopped her from going through with it - it makes sense that, although she didn't love him, she felt some degree of responsibility. In this context, telling her brother someone would find the boy and take care of him was as much about convincing herself as about convincing him, as that would reconcile her desire to never see him again with her sense of duty or responsibility.
Thus it makes sense that if she came to the conclusion that the boy would in fact be better off dead, then killing him would be the logical course of action, and without having any responsibility towards him there was nothing to keep her form killing herself.
What for me adds to the tragedy of the deaths of these two children is that her brother would've probably felt extremely guilty - because if he's agreed to abandon the boy, both the boy and Agrine might just have stood a chance, there's some chance somebody would indeed have taken care of him, and there's some chance Agrine would've found it easier without a constant reminder of what had been done to her.