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Spoilers Jin and Mugen's Fate

posted 10 years ago by techobo
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Ok, so I might be alone on this one, but I was under the impression that Mugen, Jin and the old man who was helping Fuu's dad died.

Mugen was right beside a massive explosion. Right before Jin delivered his final blow, there was a flashback explaining that if he was faced with a more skilled opponent, he could sacrifice himself to reveal an opening. Sooo he sacrificed himself to kill the assassin.

The assassin said that those associated with and family members would be killed. Why would he make an exception for some old guy who meant nothing?

To me, and again I realize I might have really missed the mark here, the scene where they all go their separate ways, Mugen and Jin were both standing under signs. While those signs probably have locations on them, they were also crosses. To me that symbolized that they were both dead, and that their conversation was Fuu's way of saying goodbye.

[–] cdnnavy8 10 years ago

Except we see Jin and Mugen recovering after the battle is over, so unless they suddenly took a turn for the worse and died and it was never shown they should be alive at the crossroads. As for how the old man survived I have no idea. We never actually see a sword enter him, it's kind of implied by the movements and the sound, but I suppose it's possible it didn't happen.

[–] techobo 10 years ago

Thanks for your reply! I should have also mentioned that when we saw them recovering it was also part of what I think to be part of Fuu's fantasy.

I just can't wrap my head around any of those three surviving. Mugen was beside an explosion, no burns and all his hair is still there? (I know it's a cartoon). The old man vs the assassin? Common, he's dead. Why would the assassin tell them he was going to kill them, and then just hit him in the stomach. And Jin used a move that he knew meant sacrificing himself... against arguably one of the best swordsmen they encountered in their journey.

[–] cdnnavy8 10 years ago

I imagine the explosives were black powder, which would a slow moving explosion (relative to say TNT or nitro) with a lot of smoke and little to no flame so it's possible Mugen could have jumped out of the way or been blown back (shrapnel from the bamboo casings would still be a problem). It's unlikely but in anime main characters have a knack for surviving the ridiculous. Also, if this were Fuu's fantasy, wouldn't her father be alive? I know she hated him when she first arrived at his shack, but it seemed like in the end she forgave him before he was killed. Fuu had no connection to the old man so I'm not sure why she would fantasize him being alive. Plus if she was really trying to say goodbye to Jin and Mugen I'm not sure taunting them with the fact that she tricked them into going with her is the best way. Might as well be saying "Ha ha! You guys died because I lied to you!" I know Fuu can be a bit of a c#@& but taunting the dead would take the piss! I guess in the end you can consider the ending brilliant writing because the two possibilities exist simultaneously (Schrodinger's cat strikes again!) or a slap in the face to fans since we won't have closure.

[–] Suzume-san 10 years ago

Why would the crosses at the crossroads symbolise death? Our characters are not Christians - we know this, not only from the historical context, but from the episode about 'Francis Xavier III'.

[–] Opteron 10 years ago

The old man was hit in the stomach. Listen to the sound. I guess the assassin decided he could kill the old man later since he's not going anywhere and figured it would be better to go after Fuu first.

[–] Kawada_Kira 9 years ago

I absolutely love this series and find it to be damn near perfect, but Jin and Mugen's survival in the end is really stretching the bounds of realism. Overall I like the ending and I wouldn't have wanted to see them die, but if they were going to live, they shouldn't have suffered such severe injuries. They were almost superhuman, it seemed like.

But no, there's no reason to believe they actually died and this was a fantasy of Fuu's. I think you're reading a bit too much into it.

The people, and the people alone, are the motive force in the making of history.
-Mao Zedong

[–] vlechtja 8 years ago

The ending put me off too a bit. If they wanted all of them to live the survivals should had been made more believable.