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The philosophy of the dog whisperer...


Is to exercise the dog first, then feed it and then give it affection in that order. I never knew that. I thought they would behave if they were given affection first. But I guess a bad dog cannot be bad if it is tired out from running all day. So I have been taking my dog out for an extra walk to tire him out. Then he won't rip my clothes to shreds and pee all over the blasted house.

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Actually, his philosophy is that we in America treat dogs like humans and use human psychology on them. According to Cesar, we deprive the dog of being a dog when we do this.
It makes plenty of sense too. If a nervous and fearful dog sees themself as the leader of the pack, that's a huge amount of responsiblity. Then he/she constantly has to watch out for the pack, when in nature he/she wouldn't have to deal with all that if there were a calm assertive dog around.
I love this show, so entertaining to watch.
CESAR RULES!

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To quote Cesar's philosophy more accurately: Cesar says a dog needs exercise, discipline, and affection, in that order. He says a lot of other things too, but that's the order of the main three things a dog needs.

Great show, huh? I love it. I wish there were more episodes.

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I disagree with his methods. OK some things he says are good but others... ah-ah. I had an aggressive dog and been working with tehniches vera similar to ones that Cesar uses. Only thing I got was more aggressive dog. He is fine now. after a lot of mistakes made by me...
Another problem with his show is that people who don't acctualy know more about dog training think that you become the pack leader and everyhing solves by its self. People think that you can see result in dog training in like 10 minutest just because Cesar does that. I'm 'rehabilitating' my own dog for 6 months now and I can see progres just by remembering how was it before. We are moving slowly, but going somewhere.
I don't say that Cesar's way is not good, but it doesn't work for all dogs. I have a stressed out dog and I can't do anything with her by correction. My other dog isn't fearfull at all, unless I put choche chain on him. working with him is impossible than.I did't try to copy Cesar's method. It was when I first saw his show thet I realised that I was soing the same thing...
But his show is great if you want to practise observing Calming signals, I must say that...

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I had the same thing happen to me. I did the same methods as Cesar's as far as feeding my dog. I watched his tape several times first. It caused terrible food aggression with my dog. I finally found this trainer who uses positive behavior methods. The food aggression has finally gone away, but it wasn't easy. I had really messed the dog's mind up trying to be as persistent as Cesar. I used to have a crazy chocolate lab that was totally out of control. And now I have this lovable well trained dog. When she is in a down stay nothing prevents her from staying until we give her the signal. She has numerous tricks that she enjoys performing and all of it was from positive behavior. I don't disagree with everything Caser says. I agree that it's wrong to treat her like a human child (you would think this would be common sense). I can't see any fault in exercise, discipline, and affection.
It's the persistent aggressive stuff that screwed my dog up. I have a feeling that this method works fine with some dogs but not all. I know the method that I used with my dog took longer but then again I don't have a film editor to make everything short, sweet and flawless.

The tough part was when we were trying to undo all the mistakes we made emulating Casar, We had to hear everyone's suggestion "You should take that dog to the "Dog Whisperer", We would smile and just say "yeah.. how bout that?" One time back when my dog was less behaved and more puppy like, I took my dog to the park. She was being especially out of control that day and this kid marches up and starts going "pssst! pssst! Anyone's who's ever had a Labrador a year or under knows that Psst will do nothing but make a Labrador jump up on your shoulder and lick your face.
I told the kid to please stop and that I was trying to train my dog. The kid says, "It works when Casar does it ?!!" I know ... I know. Can someone give me the name of Casar's Editor?

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I adopted a food aggressive German Shepherd. She was young and VERY smart, so it only took 10 minutes to break her of it.

I did exactly what Cesar does (but this was 1972, I was just going on instinct). I put the food down but kept the dog from it by position. See? It establishes that it is YOUR food, even when it is on the ground, and YOU grant the dog access to it. It only took once for this dog to catch on.

Your results may vary. Do not attempt these techniques yourself without consulting a professional. SPCA shelters euthanize adult dogs every day for longstanding food aggression. Once it becomes a habit it's much harder to break.

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Crazykeyman: I doubt that you were doing Cesar's methods properly. I have seen people on the show who were the same way - trying to copy Cesar, but it didn't work. Then Cesar works his magic and they learn how REALLY to do things.

The Dog Whisperer is my hero. When I get dogs, I will most surely follow his advise.

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That is fine just remember not to get frustrated if things don't come as quickly as they do on TV Cesar has the benefit of Editing and the choice to throw out what he wants. I do believe dogs can learn by his way but many dogs do better by the more modern methods of positive training. My dog has improved incredibly since the change.

Please do not underestimate the power of editing. It fooled me once until I started getting into editing myself. I once watched a supernanny episode where they were using clips of the kids being obedient and it was before the Nanny came. How I know this is a long and involved explaination and I will explain if asked. Just know that the editor's job is to take images that help tell a story and they will snip and cut where they will

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"Crazykeyman: I doubt that you were doing Cesar's methods properly. I have seen people on the show who were the same way - trying to copy Cesar, but it didn't work. Then Cesar works his magic and they learn how REALLY to do things".


I guess the assumption here is that I watched a few shows and screwed up. In actuality I have all his books and videos because I was just as sold on Cesar as anyone. I am by no means an expert but I have been trying to learn more about training dogs. My wife who has made incredible strides with our dog has been click training our dog. She hardly the same dog anymore she is so much more obedient and really loves the training. Our trainer stresses setting your dog up for success because the more your dog does the right thing the more she will do it naturally. My wife has told me that many of the industry leaders respect Cesar for his natural abilities but feel he falls short on teaching them. Many of hisassumptions about dogs and how they live in the dog pack are old school beliefs. Remember if you have read his book the rules he makes up about dogs are all based on watching them on his farm. His whole concept of pack leaders are flawed. Remember he is not educated he holds no degrees. watching a group of dogs on one farm is hardly what you would call good science. Of what I have been reading is that dogs do not intimidate other dogs into excepting them as pack leader. The other dogs just choose to submit. Also it's always changing and they do not just have one pack leader they have different pack leaders for different duties. These were observations from scientist that know how studies are done. I am pretty sure they watched more than a couple dog packs. Also there are different results from different canine breeds. For example wolves and coyotes are socially different. But Cesar lumps them conveniently all together.

The unfortunate thing is the best trainers are not as entertaining as Cesar and even good editing will not help that. So we have a society that sold on a man who is very good with dogs who does say some logical things here and there, but more importantly he is the only game in town when it comes to TV. Which is the most important way to talk to the masses. I doubt I will convince any Cesar believers because I don't have a TV studio.

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"Crazykeyman: I doubt that you were doing Cesar's methods properly. I have seen people on the show who were the same way - trying to copy Cesar, but it didn't work. Then Cesar works his magic and they learn how REALLY to do things".


I guess the assumption here is that I watched a few shows and screwed up. In actuality I have all his books and videos because I was just as sold on Cesar as anyone. I am by no means an expert but I have been trying to learn more about training dogs. My wife who has made incredible strides with our dog has been click training our dog. She hardly the same dog anymore she is so much more obedient and really loves the training. Our trainer stresses setting your dog up for success because the more your dog does the right thing the more she will do it naturally. My wife has told me that many of the industry leaders respect Cesar for his natural abilities but feel he falls short on teaching them. Many of hisassumptions about dogs and how they live in the dog pack are old school beliefs. Remember if you have read his book the rules he makes up about dogs are all based on watching them on his farm. His whole concept of pack leaders are flawed. Remember he is not educated he holds no degrees. watching a group of dogs on one farm is hardly what you would call good science. Of what I have been reading is that dogs do not intimidate other dogs into excepting them as pack leader. The other dogs just choose to submit. Also it's always changing and they do not just have one pack leader they have different pack leaders for different duties. These were observations from scientist that know how studies are done. I am pretty sure they watched more than a couple dog packs. Also there are different results from different canine breeds. For example wolves and coyotes are socially different. But Cesar lumps them conveniently all together.

The unfortunate thing is the best trainers are not as entertaining as Cesar and even good editing will not help that. So we have a society that sold on a man who is very good with dogs who does say some logical things here and there, but more importantly he is the only game in town when it comes to TV. Which is the most important way to talk to the masses. I doubt I will convince any Cesar believers because I don't have a TV studio.




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... Maybe you should watch a few epi's before judging Cesar & his ways, dear? (Assuming you haven't, as you seem to have just been told about him by a certain someone ...)

As for Crazykeyman (neat name BTW), personally, I think you tried to emulate Cesar's ways and techniques without perhaps being either fully understanding of how they worked, how to do / apply them, or when to use them? As Cesar says, different dog = different techniques. He evaluates the dog he treats (psychologically as well as physically), and then adapts his methods according to the dog. I'm not saying you did or didn't do this, or as well, I'm saying you need to KNOW what you're doing, not just 'monkey see monkey do' (don't take that with offense, I simply can't find another way of phrasing it. I mean utmost respect.) I mean, you see / read him do it, it's just not enough most of the time.

I don't have a dog. But I would give both my nuts and a few of my fingers for one though. Wanted one all my life.

Hurt people hurt people.
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Setting a dog up for success is important, I agree, but that isn't always possible, and sometimes dogs need to be corrected in order to actually understand what is and isn't wanted from them.

"My wife has told me that many of the industry leaders respect Cesar for his natural abilities but feel he falls short on teaching them."

I agree with this. He's much better at doing what he does, than he is explaining or teaching what it is he does, although he's improved a lot since back in his Dog Whisperer days.

His experience with dogs is far more extensive than observing a group of dogs on one farm. His education is practical experience, not book/classroom education. Often enough the latter is, in time, proven to be wrong or misguided as well. The fact that he holds no degree means nothing to me.

I do agree that he's gotten some things wrong, that wolves and coyotes behave differently than domesticated dogs, and therefore his basing part of his methods on this means he's, in part, off-base.

I've noticed many times your referring to the editing of the show as being deceptive. Sometimes it may be, but all shows are edited, and usually it's about cutting down the runtime to fit the time format.

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"I guess the assumption here is that I watched a few shows and screwed up. In actuality I have all his books and videos because I was just as sold on Cesar as anyone. I am by no means an expert but I have been trying to learn more about training dogs."

That isn't necessarily the assumption. Whether or not you have all his books and videos, that can't replace or come near to equaling his (or anyone else's) many years of practical experience, as well as innate ability to observe closely and instincts with dogs.

The greatest tools in Cesar's toolbox are his ability to be patient, and remain calm and assertive (not aggressive), along with his ability to read dogs. Even so, despite his claims otherwise, he's human, and I've observed him at times become frustrated, not calm, and not assertive. He also doesn't always read dogs correctly. Again, he's human.

Clicker training is one great method, and is much easier for most people to learn. The worst that can happen with it is the dog won't understand what's being asked of him or her, because the timing of the clicking is off. Timing is *critical*, be that with clicker training or any other type. The communication *has to be* very clear to the dog, in a way s/he can understand, or nothing is accomplished.

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The Dog Whisperer is my hero. When I get dogs, I will most surely follow his advise.
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You do not even have a dog and you are defending his methods. This reminds me of when single people (as in no children) become experts in child rearing. You are watching TV magic and believing in it. If Cesar messes up do you think you're going to see it. No way . He's like the magicians who use editing to amaze you. Get yourself a dog before you start telling others what they should or shouldn't do. BTW I bought all of his materials Books & DVDs what I did with my dog was not based on watching a chance episode. Talk to any trainer who has had any extensive training and they will tell you Cesar's methods are old school. Positive training is the new school. To train a dog right is not that entertaining and because of that Cesar will churn out hundreds of episodes that you all will buy because he's magical. He so magical that you are a fan and you defend him without the benefit of seeing if he's right. Without even having a dog. aaaarrrg!!! I just can't believe it!!

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Critics always claim that Caesar chokes the dogs or does "alpha rolls" and it's horrible and inhumane. I've never seen Caesar choke a dog. He even says the choke chain is used mainly for the sound and to snap a dog out of their anxious state of mind. He always uses short, sharp jerks. I've never seen a dog give up because he couldn't breathe. Caesar also only uses his "alpha roll" in the most dangerous, aggressive dogs. Often these are dogs who couldn't be fixed by all these new school, positive reinforcement trainers, who claim the "alpha roll" isn't natural. These are also dogs that would almost certainly be destroyed in a shelter as being way too dangerous to ever be trusted. If you watch the dogs in his Psychology center, they roll over without any physical force from Caesar, they submit naturally, so obviously Caesar is doing something right. Caesar doesn't just roll them on their side, hold them there, and claim he's fixed the problem. He often takes them to his center and spends months rehabilitating the dog. I feel a lot of critics of Caesar simply watch a few clips, then condemn his methods, with out really realizing the full scope of his methods.

I agree Caesar's methods shouldn't be used by most people, because it's next to impossible to truly realize what he's doing through the television. There have been many episodes where Caesar treats a case where the people say they've used his methods and it didn't work. It only takes a few minutes for Caesar to tell them why it didn't work and it's because you can't take one small clip of something Caesar did and think it will cure a dog, there's are many steps and each dog is different. Caesar often does different things for dogs who seem to have the same problem - so obviously Caesar knows there isn't a cure all for dogs and every dog is an individual and needs to be treated as such.

Positive reinforcement training is a better method for most people because it's much easier to understand and thus use. I agree that Caesars methods of "energy" and "state of mind" are not very concrete concepts. It's difficult for most people to grasp how to apply these methods, they get frustrated, and then the dog feeds off the frustration making the problem worse. Caesar's show should mainly be for entertainment value because 90% of people watching the show will not take the methods and use them correctly. Unfortunately many people don't understand this and don't heed the warning in the show that you should contact a dog behaviorist before using any of these methods!! That doesn't mean that Caesar's show or methods are bad, it just seems to support Caesar's motto that it's people that need to be trained, not the dogs.

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Did you click reply on my name just to make some points (people sometimes do that) or were you addressing me personally because though I am not in complete agreement, your points do not seem to reflect much of what I have said. I have never accused Cesar of choking a dog because I haven't seen him do it personally. There are those you claim to know that he does this those are the people you may want to address. I take no stand on that issue until I know one way or the other. I have posted a number of times that I had at one time bought into the Cesar way lock stock and barrel. Bought his books DVDs and everything I could get my hands on. I was not simply reacting to one episode. His books don't give disclaimers. BTW the disclaimers on TV I do not believe is Cesar's idea. I think it is Discovery Channels way of covering their ass and they don't ask you to find an animal behaviorist just a trained professional. I mean what is the point of the show to show what a magician Cesar is. If you believe that then you haven't watched many shows because Cesar wants to share is philosophy He believes that if you apply his methods that it will help. Remember he wants to rehabilitate you. His show depicts a lot of people treating their dogs like a human child and he is right to address those problems.

I do not think that he is evil I think he is a good person who believes in his way. But a lot of the facts he gives about dog packs are not based in science if you read his book Cesar's Way you'll find that it is based on observing the dogs on the farm he grew up on. He picked up a few things but his observation was limited to just the dogs he knew. The farm didn't reveal that different breeds have different social behavior. For example Wolves and Coyotes a very much different socially. That the pack leader often changes and sometimes depending on what the dogs are doing. If there is anyone interested I could suggest some books that real animal behaviorist and scientist have written on the subject.

I have never heard of positive training harming a dog and our trainer has been able to fix dogs with aggressive behavior from being damaged from old school methods. BTW your comment about positive training being easier I couldn't disagree more Old school has always been considered the dangerous short cut. Ever go to Sea World and watch all the wonderful dolphin tricks Sea World uses positive click training with incredible results It is the new more proven method. I wish you could see all the dogs that go through the training where we train our dog. No one has to assert their alpha dog leadership to get their dogs to behave they obey but they do it out of fun. Dogs are creatures of habit and if you set your dog up to successfully do the right things it becomes his habit to do so. Yes dogs will obey from intimidation but they have less problems if they obey from encouragement. Cesar does intimidate if you have a hard time seeing this try turning the sound down and just watch no he isn't cruel like those idiots that duct tape the dog's mouth or do near drownings but he does intimidate and that can cause problems.

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Of course saying pssst won't do anything. It's not about what you say, but the energy you convey. (hey, I'm a poet and I don't even know it!). You also have to back it up with action otherwise the dog won't take you seriously.

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I know this, I'm just saying there are people who do this and it's annoying.
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It`s because Cesar has 100% dominant/pack leader role from the first second. the dog probably looked on the kid as a follower and did not respect it. Like Cesar say, it`s not the SOUND "PSSST", it`s the projection of energy aka BODY LANGUAGE. This is after all, how dogs communicate!

You say that his methods does not work for all dogs. I say you are wrong. They are, after all the same SPECIES, so therefore one can apply the same psychology to all! Cesar has YET to give up on a dog, so sorry but you must have the insight to tell yourself that there is fundamentally YOU doing something wrong. It`s not Cesars methods ;)

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Caesars Methods are old and outdated. You can believe in him if you want, but know that what what you actually believing in is the magic of television editing.

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This is the disclaimer that is on the show: "DO NOT TRY THESE TECHNIQUES YOURSELF WITHOUT CONSULTING A PROFESSIONAL"

Cesar explained this on one of the episodes (I don't know which one). He said that we can't copy what he does because he operates a great deal on his instinct, which comes from his experiences. He observes the dog and then decides what is needed. The decision that he makes is for that particular dog, not for all dogs that have the same problem. The specifics from dog to dog will vary.

He has spent many years with dogs, from childhood on. Plus, he is a great observer of details. There have been times when he says, "Do you see that?" and I don't see it. I have to rewind and go back, maybe a number of times, to pick up what he's talking about. He knows what to watch for, I don't.

If I go to Ecuador, I need to speak Spanish if I want the people there to understand me. I can talk a lot there in English, but the Ecuadorians won't understand me. Communication involves the understanding of both parties speaking. A language that I learn when I am a child is a "native" language. A language that I learn as an adult is a "learned" language. These two types of languages are stored in two different parts of the brain. I will never understand my learned languages as well as I understand my native languages. That's just the way it is.

If I want to communicate (speak and be understood) with my dog, I have to speak his language, the language of "dog."

Cesar learned to speak "dog" when he was a child. It is one of his native languages, just as Spanish is. He learned to speak English when he was an adult. It is a learned language for him, and he will never understand English as well as he understands Spanish. I can study Cesar's methods, I can spend time observing him, I can have personal instruction from him, but I will never understand the language of dogs as well as he does.

Therefore, I cannot copy Cesar's methods. I'm not Cesar. If I had a dog with a serious problem, I would try to find an professional dog rehabilitator (NOT a trainer) who would come to my house and work with me on helping my dog. I would first talk with him (or her) to find out his background and experience and how he feels about Cesar's methods. If he belittles those methods, then I would find a different professional. When he comes to my house, I would observe him closely and expect him to explain to me what he thinks should be done and why. And maybe, just maybe, I would be able to get some help for my dog.

In order for someone to be able to speak "dog" like Cesar does, I think a person would have to have had similar childhood experiences as Cesar had. As a child, Cesar lived with a pack of dogs who could run free and he had an adult with him who helped him learn the language of "dog." How many people, do you think, are like that?

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It's delightful when people respond to a comment you made over 5 1/2 years ago.

A lot has happened since those 5 1/2 years I had 2 more dogs all raised with positive reinforcement. I would never use the negative reinforcement techniques that Caesar uses I could point you to video clips where Caesar chokes out a dog so bad that the dog shuts down completely and empties his bladder.

I am familiar with all his materials because before I got our lab I read all his books, saw his DVDs, watched his show religiously and the result was a dog with behavior problems so bad ha he took a piece of my son's lip off.

If you could see the difference in my other 2 dogs raised on positive reinforcement only, you would not blame me for saying far away from Caesar's philosophy as possible.

Caesar's methods while looking like magic on TV are largely unaccepted by most dog behaviorist.

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"I would never use the negative reinforcement techniques that Caesar uses I could point you to video clips where Caesar chokes out a dog so bad that the dog shuts down completely and empties his bladder."

Link, please.

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Maybe you call Cesar and see is he can come help - perhaps its your own intepretation of his methods that are incorrect and not necessarily his actual methods.

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For those of you who tried Ceaser's method and failed, ending up with an even more aggressive dog, you do realize that the start of the show it says "Do not try these techniques yourself before consulting a professional" right? Don't blame Ceaser and his methods for not working just because you watched a few shows and think you know how to handle your dog. His shows are not training videos but rather it's showing that today's society does not know how to handle dogs correctly. This is like watching Jackass and then going out and shoving firecrackers up your butt and getting run over by a car while your friend smacks you in the head with a shovel and then blaming it on the show.

"DO NOT TRY THESE TECHNIQUES YOURSELF WITHOUT CONSULTING A PROFESSIONAL" READ THE DISCLAIMER

Every case is different and using a technique he used on one case just might not help in your case.

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Remember, that the dog reacts more to your intent and energy than to what you do or what you say.

As in my example above on food aggression, this dog was a couple months old. It wasn't a threat to me. So food-training it, there was no doubt in my mind that I would 'win', and so I did. Had it been full grown and I was afraid of it, I would NOT have won, and probably have gotten bit.

There are so many variables that you can't take one example and have it work on every problem. That's the difference between watching Cesar and being Cesar.

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See, that's why I hate the show so much. If you have a show that gives advice like that, you have to expect people to say, "wow that really worked, I should try it". His methods are way to dangerous to attempt and can have severe consequences. As a dog trainer I've heard horror stories about people who think they're doing it "Cesar's Way" and end up with a dog who's even more aggressive or incredibly stressed out. I think the other dog training show on Animal Planet, It's Me or the Dog, is much much better. Although I don't agree with all of what the trainer does, if people try her training methods there's not a lot of damage that can be done because she's a primarily positive trainer.

You can't fix a dog in 30 mins. Period. I've worked with aggressive and abused dogs with severe anxiety and let me tell you, using methods like cutting off it's airways with a choke collar and doing alpha rolls do nothing but harm and are an insult to all credible dog trainers. Cesar Milan knows little about dog training. His techniques are out of date and dangerous. Why hurt and intimidate a dog when you don't have to?

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using methods like cutting off it's airways with a choke collar and doing alpha rolls do nothing but harm and are an insult to all credible dog trainers. Cesar Milan knows little about dog training. His techniques are out of date and dangerous. Why hurt and intimidate a dog when you don't have to?

Wildly innacurate. Do you even watch the show, read his books, anything? He NEVER choked a dog on TV, and I doubt he's ever done it in real life. He only uses the choke chain for quick snap 'snap-out-of-it' yanks, and you can say both that 1) the dog is not hurt and 2) it works flawlessly (most of the time).

Knows little about dog training? Fine. Pull up your irrefutible evidence or testimony, why don't you? Or is this more 'taking-rumors-and-stupid-claims-as-facts'? He's been with the things his entire life, I'm pretty sure he knows as much as anyone can hope to know, about dog behavior and psychology and training.

But in a way, I suppose you're right – he doesn't do much dog training. Why? He's not a dog trainer. He never says he was; he often denies it in fact. Dog behaviorist / psychologist does not equate to trainer.

As for the alpha rolls, again, just watch the bleedin' show. He doesn't injure those dogs, and he only uses that move in very rare and specific cases, or 'red-zone' dogs. Guess what? It's how dogs do it in nature, it's part of their behavior. Watch wolves (or wolf documentaries), or watch 'wild' feral dogs. It's how they do it, so naturally, it's how Cesar does it.

He has NEVER hurt a dog – not that anyone else but him knows, at least. As for intimidation, well, that's what you do with bullies. Show them you're the boss. Again, he does it safely and painlessly, and usually with good results.

Please just watch the darn show before criticising him or his methods. You should know better than to believe anything you hear. Thank you.

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I was just about to say the same thing: Cesar is not a trainer. He doesn't train dogs.

Never confuse training a dog (new) tricks, and rehabilitating a dog who is behaving in an unbalanced way! They are two very different things.

Quite often Cesar is the last resort, the one final try between being able to keep the dog or put it to sleep. In those circumstances, his methods work very well. Many times the dog throws a temper tantrum and wildly jumps around with the leash tightly around his neck. What should Cesar do? Follow the dog so he wouldn't choke himself? No. The dog stops struggling when he realizes Cesar doesn't give up.

I understand that positive methods can work as well BUT it will take considerably longer time to rehabilitate f.ex a severly aggressive dog by clicker training. There are cases where this type of training does not rehabilitate an unstable dog. Often the owners don't have the perseverance and time commit to this type of training for weeks, even months. This is a sad fact.

I have never seen Cesar hurt a dog in any of his Dog Whisperer episodes. Cesar also says that anything that doesn't hurt a dog is a good method and he does not rule out clicker training or other positive methods.





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Um not only does Cesar not have dog training he has not had an education in animal behavior. If you HAD read his books as I have you would know that all his knowledge comes from his time on his grandfather's farm and his time working for a dog grooming company. His observations are all his own and not from any education discipline.

Also watch this clip carefully and read the notes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh9YOyM2TAk

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you have not read his books in there full lengths. you are just pulling info from the web. and his methods do work I have five dogs and his books and videos have been really amazingly helpful. one does no need an education to acquire this knowledge of training dogs. you are just hater. if he only was raised on a "farm" he is still more qualified on animal training than your ass who's been raised in the city. so take a dump and put some ice on it....

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Your assumption is wrong, I totally bought into Cesar invested in everything he wrote and produced. DVDs, books, EVERYTHING. If you don't want to believe me that's up to you. I have no receipts kept to back up my claim just my word and my claim. What you choose to believe is up to you.

This thread is very old and I have moved on a long time ago. There really should be a time limit on far back you can respond to someone's comment because the passion I once had about the bad and outdated advice Cesar gives has been replace with the knowledge I've gained from positive training.

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His book doesn't have a disclaimer

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If you do more than watch his show, like read his books, you will get a more full circle on how to rehabilitate your dog. The show is very good because it shows a visual way to solve a certain dog problem. But his books "Cesar's Way" and "Be The Pack Leader" talk more about how to fulfill your dogs needs. But I realize that Exercise, Discipline, Affection solve about 99% of dog issues.

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I've also noticed, after watching the DVD's that you can't get any of this in just one or two episodes. You need to watch more than an entire season to really get what he does and how he does it.

After you watch enough shows, you start to see a pattern develop beyond just a single case scenario. His methodology and expertise is WAY too broad to be captured in just a few episodes. You do start to see a pattern after watching a season or more.

If someone had a dog with food aggression and only watched one episode (dealing with the same problem) then they probably didn't do it right trying to fix it because Cesar uses his ENTIRE knowledge base, even when he is fixing only one particular problem.

so......if you haven't had broad exposure to many different cases on his shows then you're only seeing a tiny sliver of what he does. The "dog psychology" is a very extensive method. You can't get it by just watching one or two shows. The food aggression case that someone mentioned probably had other issues going along with that and if you don't know how to address all of the issues, then you could potentially make it worse, not better. That's why there's an intro that says don't try the stuff without a professional.

But also keep in mind that some do take a longer time to rehabilitate than others. That's why he has his center - for the harder cases. The entire pack at the center is what helps make the dog's energy better. Also keep in mind that the first couple of times owners try new things on the show - they hardly ever get it right without Cesar fixing something about them first that is the wrong energy. So if you're at home trying to fix serious problems, the first wrong thing you do (without realizing it) your dog is going to pick up on. If you don't realize it and don't have a professional there to point it out, you're not doing your dog a service. That's just creating more bad behavior, not resolving the problem.

What's funny is a lot of the "psychology" part, such as projecting certain emotions/energy, etc., is totally parallel with issues/disorders for humans. There are several episodes where people with emotional issues were able to improve by letting go of past hurt/harm by working with Cesar along with their dog AND there are episodes where therapists or others who deal with unstable people mention the parallels in what he teaches and how it directly relates to their field as well.

It's a REALLY interesting show and I don't even have dogs.

Cheers.

"It's like the planet of the clangers in here!" - Vicar of Dibley

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I find it funny when people think they can do what Cesar does after a few episodes. Sure, there's editing but don't forget that Cesar's like a natural with dogs. You cannot ignore that he has a special talent that allows him to work with some of the more agressive dogs.

Before watching this show, my puppies would not walk and would pull every which way. Since watching the show, i have gotten a lot better at walking the dogs and my dogs are now seeing me as a pack leader whereas before they will do what they want. They calm down when I want them to and they can play when I let them.

I still am not as good as Cesar and probably won't be. But it takes time and patience and real understanding to get dogs be calm and submissive.

Cesar knows what he's doing.. I doubt everyone who watches his show does.

"Don't milk the cat!"

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I find it funny that people believe the magic of a good video editor.

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Cesar's methods are about understanding nature and how oue energy effects animals , something modern human's are disconnected from for the most part . Its also to do with dealing with our own issues that effect our energy , which in turn effects our ability to communicate non-verbally with out animals . This I think is the roadblock people who imitate Cesar's methods and don't get results run into . You always hear how '' I did what Cesar does and my dog got worse or didn't improve '' . Its very hard to work on our own issues or even admit we need to , but your animal is reflecting you .

Oh yeah !

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His philosophy is good, but his methods are horrible.
He is only remarkable for saving and rehabilitating loads of abandoned dogs (including many Pibulls).

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Rena_Mahone Tue Jul 19 2016 07:53:31

His philosophy is good, but his methods are horrible.
He is only remarkable for saving and rehabilitating loads of abandoned dogs (including many Pibulls).

🐺 Boycott movies that involve real animal violence (& their directors) 🐾

Just started to watch this show and finished the 2nd season.
Cesar Millan is the best what can happen to dogs, subsequently to humans.
Often it turned out to be vice versa (first the humans needed his treatment).

What exactly do you dislike of his methods?

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