Very disturbing scene....


Okay so...

The movie is hard.. the story is bad, but one scene is horrific.

At least IMHO.

The one where the kid gets out of his bed and walks crying to his dead mothers hands -distrubing and raw...

For this scene I congratulate the director, it made my heart stop for a bit (yeah.. Im still a human)

I dont know if any other scene was disturbing for anyone else, plz leave your opinions.

To the director: Yup, the 9/11 scenes are crap.......! Those inserts are, for my point of view, out of context.

Cheers!

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I liked the girl in the park restroom..the 3some on the bed scene with the straight razor..and the chainsaw to da head!! ouch! hehe

The soundtrack rocks (buy Zombi's new album), the chics are hot (mmm boobs!) and you can NEVER have enough on-screen child murder!

As for the 9/11 footage..this was made shortly after the attacks, so it was kinda fresh then still. In the video store, the killer mentions 'in his eyes he lights fire in our cities', and that also plays into the diatribe of his about the world going to shi*, etc, etc, so it kind of fits in to the context of the film ( keep in mind, during the 9/11 footage, the color footage, he's having an anxiety attack )


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Kill all the kids you want.

The fact is, this movie still sucks.

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LoL @ you, Cocolingus......go post in the "Threes Company" thread some more..I think that type of entertainment is more your speed, bud.


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Child murder isn't entertainment.

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Ahhh, the subtle art of watching people on the internet argue.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and their own sick fetishes, aslong as he's not out murdering children or raping them, I see now wrong in whatever he does.

And why are you calling it his piece of *beep* movie? I don't think he made it....
Maybe he did, but I doubt it.

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I'm SO sick of people calling posters on here "scumbags" because they liked a certain murder scene in a MOVIE. Get a life!



Your mother ate my dog!!!!!

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I totally agree; I loved Murder-Set-Pieces and am very glad I bought it. Enjoying child murders onscreen is no different than enjoying watching any other murder - the important point is that they are not being murdered. I think it's great that some directors are willing to break the taboo against having children harmed or killed in motion pictures.

It is sad that it happens in real life but at the same time, depictions of these acts should not be considered any more threatening (or less enjoyable for that matter) than depictions of any other heinous act. Because it is so rare to see in movies, I too must say that I enjoyed that particular scene.

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Glad to see there are some genre fans out there, with some intelligence, that have my back!


Have you ever seen Dawn of the Dead (78), Izo, The Untold Story, Haute Tension, Man Bites Dog or Men Behind the Sun? All those films listed have scenes (of various degrees of brutality) of child murder in them, and most of those are fantastic genre films.

And as far as newborn mutilation....check out a film called "Subconsious Cruelty"....but just don't talk too loud around uptight douchebags like Cocolingus and his ilk...they might get offended!!!

Oh yeah...I wish I worked for FrightFlix pictures..hell..or any film company for that matter)) but, alas, I am just a blue collar high-rise window cleaner, 5'11'' 155lb, so yeah...I'm far from a fat ass))

...but I'm sure Cocolingus fits that bill nicely))

LoL @ uptight douchebags who get offended by.....wait.....here it comes..........MOVIES...yes thats correct, these are all just MAKE BELIEVE!

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I agree entirely, there was no point to get mad because he likes that scene.
I'm sixteen and I enjoy that *beep* scene.
Oh, man, you were calling him a pedophile, what if he was underage and you were trying to get his address and all that?
Who is the pedophile then?
I just liked how the director didn't show much care and put the scene in.
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First and foremost, I haven't seen this film, but the number of shrills on other boards made me compulsively read a bit about it. I'm fairly convinced it's a piece of crap without even seeing it, however I'll get around to actually seeing it (and thus confirming one way or the other) later.

But...to damn a movie just because kids are killed in it? Isn't this a little harsh? I don't really believe there should be any line that should never be crossed in horror. As long as no one is hurt "real world" (e.g., "snuff films"), then it's fair play. Horror is about crossing the line, it's about shock, the things that disturb us; and there isn't much more disturbing than the death of a child.

In any case, cocolingus, isn't this your user comment on Battle Royale? If the killing of kids sparks such outrage in you, why did you love Battle Royale so much?

"After waiting a year and a half, I finally tracked this gem of a movie down. Although its not heavy on gore, the subject matter alone is reason enough it will never be available in the U.S.

A class of kids are sent to an island where they are forced to hunt each other with a variety of weapons (guns, knives, tazers) - the winner of the contest is set free. Definitely worth searching for viewing at least on"

http://gist.imdb.com/user/ur1469398/comments?order=date&start=10

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I have not seen this movie, so I am not qualified to make any comments about the movie itself.

I do wish to address the seemingly popular notion that it is completely unacceptable to kill children in movies.

I can't fathom the logic behind this sentiment. People howl with delight and pant for more, to see gruesome images of people being mutilated, murdered. The more graphic the better! cocolingus, you're right, teens have been a staple in horror movies for 30 years, and people eat it up with a spoon and ask for seconds. Yet subtract just a few years from those teens... and it's an outrage?

Is this so offensive because children are viewed as a model of purity and innocence? Surely it can't be because they cannot defend themselves, does one really believe that that 14 year old girl being mutilated had a hope in hell of defending herself? Take Battle Royale, the children in that movie were in grade 9. Is there an arbitrary age where it suddenly becomes acceptable for a person's blood to be splashed across the screen? Do people deserve to die more as they age? Is a child being killed really so much worse than say, a woman being graphically raped and mutilated in a movie, and then tortured to death? I make no reference to any specific movie, that's a pretty common element, especially in the more extreme Asian films.

This seems to me to be a symptom of that horrible notion that's going around that life itself is more important than quality of life.

Life, is life, is life. An eighty year old life is as important as a forty year old life. A forty year old life is as important as a twenty year old life. A twenty year old life is as important as a six year old life. The tragedy is not that we die, but that while we are alive we are subject to such horrible atrocity and deprivation and degredation.

Does it pain so much to watch a simulated child murder because it reminds people of the loss of children in real life? If this is so, then why it is deemed a jolly good time to watch say, a woman get brutally killed? What if that woman was raising children by herself? Not only is she now dead, but her children have lost their only parent and have to be subjected to the foster care system. Ah, but we don't think of these things when we're howling for more blood, do we? Simulated violence is simulated violence, no one really dies. It's only when we picture the scenario as real that we become upset.

Were these cases real, would one really be more outraged that a child had been killed? Would not the rape and murder of an innocent woman, who left behind orphans be more of an outrage?

It should also be noted that if we're viewing children as the epitome of innocence, take a look at the media. You'll see crimes committed by children all the time. Remember too that childhood is a recent societal construct, go back even 200 years (which is a blink in the life of the world itself, even in the history of man) and children were not esteemed as they are now.

I sum up by saying that this is not an advocacy of killing children in movies. It is however a pointing of the finger at horror/gore fans who decry violence against children (or any group) and a cry of "hypocrite". You can't praise a movie for it's excess brutality and gore and they cry foul because one of the victims was a child. Why were those other lives ok to entertain you with their suffering?

Either accept that all life is equally valid, and with regards to these kinds of movies, no holds should be barred... or just don't watch movies like this period. Anything else is hypocrisy.

C.

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OMG!!! I know this an ancient thread, but after reading this response, I just had to reply and say WTF?? what is this diatribe you just went into, we are talking about a pinche fking movie! You just went off on some pseudo psycho babble, like everything your talking about is a daily occurrence when in fact, we are here discussing movies. good god please.

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the only time RAPE and MURDER of anyone including children is ok, is when it is IN a MOVIE. there is something called IMPULSE CONTROL. your fantasies should never be censored. its if you choose to complete them in real life thats what makes you a sicko. as far as movies go, and fake images, I'm all for the rape and murder of anyone......except puppies. LOL

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You know what makes this movie awesome? Kids getting killed. Next we need to see a movie where nothing but babies get killed. That would be totally awesome.

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that sceen is from Terror firmer and that sceen is rely funy to. In many troma film there are chilsdren that gets eaten and *beep* and thats funny to:D

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No, it is a fact that you can never have too many ON SCREEM child murders. This isn't real life, this isn't reliving memories of when you were molested as a child, so shut up. It's a MOVIE. None of it really HAPPENED. If you can't handle that, stay away from horror in the first place, it's obviously way too extreme for your weak stomach.

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HEY cocolingus :


so you are tellin people what not to say because it may be offensive, but here you are wishing "painful cancer" on a person...what about all the people that have family members or friends that have/ or had cancer...maybe you should rethink your statements before posting them..if you dont like a persons comments fine, but dont go all crazy on them when in your last line you do the same thing...


ps, i have battle royale 1 and 2 and i am pretty sure in the first one is the equivalent to middle school kids so ages 13-15 so yeah kids genius...get a clue


release date for US is jan. 09 2007 so enjoy

he evens gets to kill candyman in the movie...lol

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*cocolingus* my question to you is, if you hate this so called sick film so much why have you posted so many comments about it, i gotta say your really making me want to see this film, i mean any film that has such a powerful effect to make someone post comment after comment saying how *beep* up it is must be one hell of a sick movie and dammit thanks to you im gonna go seek this movie out it sounds great!! cheers dude.

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Anyway, back to the actual topic.

rvalera - I think that scene shocked me more than anything in the movie. You are right, it was disturbing and raw. I was feeling for the child. Hard stuff.

Other scenes that struck a nerve with me are -- when the killer cuts the womans throat in the tub, and the scene where he is raping a victim and punches her in the face, knocking her out, but continues to rape her. And of course the child murder and the few random shots of dead children and adult victims just laying there.

I'm not complaining about these scenes or the movie in whole. I thought it was good movie, not great, but good. I love the horror genre. This movie shocked me, so it did it's job.

A few people keep mentioning lousy acting in this movie. Sven Garrett (the killer) may be a little over the top at times, but the main little girl, Jade Vesser, she was top notch. She did a damn fine job. Good casting with her. I can live with Sven Garrett's acting in it. I believed him to be a true over the top psycho, especially when speaking German.


"Back off. Way off". -Kurt Russell
John Carpenters "The Thing"

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Agree with you don1970.

Plus, I must mention this:

How can ppl complain about the acting in a B-Movie! It almost the same as complaining about an old 1930's car "'cause it won't run as fast as normal cars do"

Regards.

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amen brother

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PLZ dont feed the trolls and stay on topic.

Best Regards

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M-S-P has not hit video stores yet. The director said later this year at the Fangoria show in Los Angeles.

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I can not for the life of me fathom why this film is so controversial. Oh, it scenes of child murder and graphic rape. Woop dee doo. Neither of these things are new to genre films. Furthermore, it's a MOVIE. It's not like Nick Palumbo went out and killed little kids to make this movie. It's not like anyone is going to see this movie and say "Gee, that looks like fun. I'm going to go down to the local kindergarten class and slash up a few children. Wee!" And if someone were to do that, it would be because they're already warped not because of the movie. Like Robert Englund once said "More people have been killed in the name of god than because someone watched The Excorcist a few times" (yeah I know the "killing in the name of god" thing is done to death, it's the second part of the quote that I'm focusing on). Finally, it's not like Murder-Set-Pieces is made to condone or glorify or encourage child murder or misogeny or Nazism.
As for the poster who said that they enjoyed watching the scenes of child murder and as for the poster who got all flustered because of that comment... I agree with the former. The child murder in the bathroom scene is one of my favorite scenes from Murder-Set-Pieces. I find it particularly interesting once you listen to the Director's Commentary for that scene and Nick Palumbo tells the story about the dad whose daughter was taking too long in the bathroom and the fact that you can be right there and something horrible can happen to someone you love. I enjoyed this scene thoroughly. It furthered the depravity of the Photographer and I liked the fact that the father was just feet away as the whole thing happened. The movie depicts child murder, yes, but it depicts it not glamorously or in a celebratory fashion. It depicts it harshly and brutally, albeit it stylishly (but that's really only because it fits in with the aura of stylish slickness that the rest of the movie gives off that Nick Palumbo seems to be trying for). It's not like I, or the poster who said he liked the child murders, would say that REAL child murder is enjoyable. It's not like I go and watch the news and hope to see coverage of a child murder so I can break out the K-Y Jelly and go at it. And to insinuate that anyone would "get a rise" out of child murder in the erectile sense of detestable and juvenile. While you're at it, why don't you make some "your mama" jokes as well so we can all retrogress back into 5th grade.
Murder-Set-Pieces is not pornography and liking it or it's more controversial elements does not make one a pervert or a sicko. Granted, Murder-Set-Pieces isn't exactly Shakespeare now is it? I picked it up at a horror con a few months back because I heard all the hype and wanted to check it out for myself. Does it live up to the hype? No. Sure, it's got stuff in it that I can understand people being offended by, the Nazi stuff, the child murders, the rape, the oodles and oodles of nudity, the 9/11 footage. But that seems to be the point. Murder-Set-Pieces wants to get some people in a tizzy and if you fall into it's trap then you're a dick anyway. But as I was saying, Murder-Set-Pieces does not live up the hype. I wasn't offended by anything in the movie. In fact, a few of the stuff I was probably supposed to be offended by I found either entertaining or at least amusing. It's been called by some "the sickest movie horror has ever seen." That's crap. It does not deserve that title. Truth be told, it's a simple, bloody, little, slasher-esque, neo-grindhouse, horror movie that has it's moments but really skimps on the plot. In fact, I feel that if the movie had a stronger plot and was less all over the place then it would be a strong, quality horror film. As it is now, it's a horror film that's not horrendous but nothing to write home to mum and dad about. But, hey, you really shouldn't expect wonders from an underground-ish kind of film like this because, let's face it, the bulk of independent horror tends to leave something, sometimes a LOT of "something", to be desired. But I think that's kind of the charm.
Personally, I'm proud to have Murder-Set-Pieces in my collection. It's no August Underground or Scrapbook, but it's good enough for me and I like it.
I'm sick to death of people whining about how movies like Hostel are homophobic (Hostel is NOT homophobic, several of it's characters are and that's it... characters shouldn't be role models, they should have elements to them that make it a challenge to like them) or that Aftermath is a vulgar necrophiliac porn (Aftermath is NOT vulgar necrophiliac porn, Aftermath is a beautiful and unnerving meditation on death, vulnerability, and perversion, it's supposed to make you uncomfortable, it's not supposed to be amusing, and remains it the only movie I can remember seeing that has ever disturbed me to the point where I couldn't eat). These things are movies, people. Some people take them as well themselves too seriously. Relax, you'll live longer.

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Have you EVER heard of paragraphs?

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WilliamWeird--

Thank you for the intelligent commentary on MSP! It is VERY refreshing for a change, compared to the MSP bashing that is usually posted here on these threads.
As for the total LOSER(s) who come here almost every day to start threads about how they hate MSP so much (why IMDB doesn't delete those is beyond me).....what they fail to realize is, the more they keep hating on the film, creating 5 or 6 threads with the same post in each, ranting about lack of plot or dogging-out the acting, etc, does nothing more than promote the film via word of mouth. Even if the 'reviews' from all the MSP haters were negative...they still keep the film circulating in conversation, good or bad, this only makes more people curious to see what all the fuss is about - hence making FrightFlix sell a few more DVD's =)

keep on hatin' on MSP gang...I need a good laugh once in a while-

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WilliamWeird1313, you have made a very good post there, but I cannot believe you think Scrapbook is a good movie...

First off, I could easily be put into the "MSP-haters" group, because I have posted countless things which say it is rubbish etc. This is only because I hate censorship, and for a very long time, anything slightly negative about the film would be deleted. For example, if I said something like "the film was great, it had some particuarly harsh violence in it but could have seriously been improved by having a storyline and a few people who could act". This made me very angry - of all the films ever on IMDB this is the only one I have ever posted on and been deleted for saying truthful things (which do not break any of IMDB's rules). As it turned out I found out about Frightflix marketing methods during this time (if you don't know already, they focussed their marketing on spammers and trolls, hiring people to get onto message boards all over the internet and hype the movie considerably. Palumbo even apologised on a forum at one point for how far his spammers were taking it). Now this appears to have ceased thankfully, at least the unwarranted deletion, as your post proves by still being in existance.

And now I can take off my "everything-about-MSP-sux" hat as free-speech is once again allowed, I'd like to ask what aspects of scrapbook were better than MSP? OK, so scrapbook (SB) had a plot... HUGE bonus. However, it's plot was not too much more detailed than MSPs.

**SPOILERS**

MSP - nazi guy drives around LA and kills a lot of whores and strippers, ends up killing some little girls as well. Little girl who's big sister was dating nazi goes to his house, beats him up and escapes. Nazi leaves on bus.

SB - crazy white-trash killer captures girl and rapes and tortures her for a few days. Has a scrapbook with murder mementos in it. Girl gets out and escapes.

MSP had it's story told in a stupidly incoherent way, where-as SB was told like a good movie, the story (simple, sure, it is a horror film though).

BUT... MSP has violence and special effects that are incomparable better than SBs. SB was difficult to take seriously at all due to it's horrid special effects - like the little slap & tickles the killer would give people when he was assaulting them, the paper machet bodies on the ground etc. MSP did have some solid special effects, it was the strongest point about the film. Als, not only how realistic the violence was, but the amount of it - I mean, I cannot express how dissapointed I was when the girl got away in scrapbook and had a chance for vengeance on the killer - and she just stabs his feet a little then bolts. She should have skinned him alive or something!

Acting level is about the same, both are absolutely rubbish. Ultimately neither film could be disturbing for me as neither has any convincing actors involved.

Anyway, as psychologically gruelling as SB was, I think that MSP is a better film on almost every level.


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erm ,, children , calm down as the adds for Last house on the left stated "it's only a movie", as for moaning about killing the little uns, I guess we should take out the opening scene of Assault on precint 13 then?
life is life and death is death, I think it's kinda funny how upset you are about a kid buying it in a movie, there is no difference between a child and an adult as far as murder goes?
I havent seen this yet as It won't come out in the uk and I am not paying $30 for it, but i will watch it, people on here seem to have a real downer on horror movies and I think they feel a little superior to those that watch them, I have always been into horror as well as art house and indie flicks, horror is one of the only genres today that can still push boundaries and buttons at the same time, oh and the idiot raging about the guy loving the child murder didn't you call him " a walking abortion" ????? I'm sure all the the women in the world who have had to have a abortion for some reason or other are really glad you are a living breathing member of the opposite sex.
you need to get a life and grow up.

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how is making comments like that about 9/11 and child killings even the least bit funny? you are a sick son of a bitch. man, i wish i knew who you were...

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Hola.
Sorry it's taken me so long to respond to any of these posts. Things've been hectic for me lately. Anyhoo...
Cuttyface: Personally , I just feel that Scrapbook was the better film. As a big lover independent and underground horror, I'm used to b-grade special effects and acting that leaves something to be desired, so those things really didn't bother me. To me, Scrapbook was just a more sobering, moving experience than M-S-P which I think damaged it's own gritty "serial killer character study" concept by taking the direction in a stylish Italian horror movie sort of way. Really, it's just a matter of personal opinion. Some people are more M-S-P fans and some people are more Scrapbook fans. And of course some people dislike both. I'm more of a Scrapbook fan. HOWEVER, I will say this: if it were the theatrical cut of M-S-P tha had gotten the big release instead of the cut down final version available on DVD, then M-S-P would beat out Scrapbook by a hair and a half. I was not satisfied with the final director's cut on DVD and thought the theatrial version was a million times better. But what I loved WAS the psychologically gruelling aspects of Scrapbook. M-S-P is great for me to watch as entertainment, but the first time I watched Scrapbook I felt unnerved and I give huge props to a movie that can do that. As for your comments regarding censorship and the M-S-P camp's less-than-respectable way of promoting the film, you and I are in perfect agreement. I don't gel with much of what the M-S-P camp has done to promote the film.
Cocolingus: While I agree most people shouldn't get into an ongoing conversation about a film if they haven't seen it, I don't think Spencer-44 deserves any of your scorn. He didn't make any comments about the movie itself, but rather about the themes that we've already established that M-S-P portrays and explores. All Spencer-44 did was comment on our discussion and the views that have been expressed about the content of M-S-P. Did he say M-S-P is a good movie? No. Did he say it's a bad movie? No. Did he say M-S-P's portrayal of certain topics was understandable, respectable, or forgiveable? No. Quit being a dick and attacking anyone who doesn't agree with your ideas about the content of this film. Who are you to judge whose opinions are valid and whose aren't? Damn. You are an extreme prick. I just re-read every single one of your posts in this thread and all you do is fly the righteous flag by talking about how M-S-P's exploration of 9/11 footage and violence against children is wrong and ignorant and how anyone who doesn't agree is the same. You then proceed to lambast virtually everyone else in this thread in some of the most venomous, superficial, uneducated, unoriginal, juvenile, and (of course) ignorant ways imaginable. Go do us all a favor, remove the stick from your ass and come back when you're capable of holding an intelligent dialogue that doesn't retrogress into a stream of immature insults.
Dewl1232: For the record, I'd just like to say that I agree with you about what Ingrate666 said. While I share his casual attitude regarding M-S-P and the content it features, I share not a word of his disrespectful, depraved, and homophobic rhetoric. I don't think 9/11 or child murder is funny or amusing. Just like his handle implies, he is truly an ingrate.
Until next time...
Stay sick.
Your pickled pal,
William Weird.

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Yes, my only two posts on IMDB are on the M-S-P board. NOT because I am some Nick Palumbo tool. Maybe YOU should read the thread again considering I never "praised what a masterful horror movie" M-S-P is. In fact, I think my first post made it clear that I can think of a ton of movies right off the top of my head that are much better than M-S-P, that I think M-S-P is really only "okay" (not bad, in my opinion, but nothing to write home to mum about... especially considering the lack of plot and character development in the film), and I think my second post made it clear that I disagree with the way the M-S-P gang has gone about promoting their film and that I in fact loathe all the little plants and tools that Palumbo is reputed to use to get his movie more buzz and more (undeserved) controversy.
As for your comments about what you said towards Spencer I again point out the fact that you say you made them because he was commenting on a movie he has not seen but in reality if you read his post he never once comments on the movie itself but rather the neigh philosophical debate that seems to be the point of this very thread regarding the graphic depiction of child murder and 911, amongst other things. You do not have to have seen this movie in order to hold an opinion about those topics (though I personally agree that if you are going to post in a thread about a certain movie you should at least make the effort to see the film so you can refer directly to it in your portion of the conversation, even if all you are doing is commenting on the psuedo politics of horror cinema and contrversial elements within that realm).
Going back to the fact that my only two posts on IMDB are in the M-S-P section... yeah, that is true. But the fact of the matter is that this is the first real discussion I have found recently that I am interested enough in to contribute to. When I find another good discussion about a movie and think I should contribue to it, then I will. The fact of the matter is, I do not have all the time in the world to randomly surf through movies on IMDB and participate in (and stay involved in the evolution of) a ton of threads. I just took a look at IMDB's El Topo page the other day, hoping there'd be some kind of interesting discussion going on about that movie. I found nothing of interest. The bulk of the conversations are about the various DVD version of it and prints and whatnot. Like I said, when I find something of interest, I'll join in. But I personally don't have the time to spend hours on IMDB surfing the different movie pages and hopping into every other thread that's out there. For one, I'm a member of about 10 different other message boards on the internet and I have a hard enough time to keep updated on everything that goes on with those. I also have a personal life (::gasp::) that keeps me pretty busy.
For the record, by the way, I HAVE re-read this thread and am aware of the catalyst that started this all ("can't get enough child murder"). I sure can't say I agree with that opinion, but all I'm saying is that you seem to attack virtually anyone who comes into this board who isn't condemning that "can't get enough" statement as well. Most of your attacks aren't even relavent to the conversation and are almost 90% just you spewing bile ("get behind the counter at McDonald's fat girl" is a direct quote from you in an earlier post... yeah that makes you sound REALLY intelligent... I don't see why you have to come off with all the ignorant insults and personal attacks instead of debate your point calmly, rationally, and respectfully instead of calling everyone "idiots" and just being a jerk in general).
And finally... explain to me how I'm a "whiny little hypocrite." I can't find my hypocrisy nor any whining from me anywhere in this thread.
Oh, and one last thing. Chill out. All your posts are so enflamed. You need to mellow out a bit. Relax. You'll live longer. Dang.

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Hmmm.. funny discussion. It's obvious cocklingus has made a tool of himself and I don't need to reiterate that. But I will defend the original poster, in a roundabout way.

Firstly, from the way his/her post was written, it was implied that they enjoyed child murder within movies (not in real life). This is fine - whatever you enjoy seeing in movie land (NOT REAL land) is fine by me. And to the people who say otherwise, particuarly if they're hardcore horror fans, you're hypocrites. Why? If it's not already bleeding obvious, because you enjoy watching people murdered on screen, as long as they're above a certain age, if they're below a certain age, you condemn it. This makes no sense. If you want to condemn people who like horror, or action movies (or any violent movies) altogether, that's ok, I understand you can't seperate reality and fantasy and are probably a fundamentalist religous nut who also believes that the Columbine shooting happened because of Marilyn Manson. But condemning certain types of violence on-screen is crazy talk. Unless there is exploitation of someone too young to understand what was happening - such as the scene in this film with the infant who was not murdered. The morality of that scene is questionable, to say the least, but the murdered girl of about 12 is fine. At that age I'm sure she would have been able to tell it was all fun, the big camera in front of her, the make-up, everything would have made it pretty easy for her not to be traumatised.

Saying "you can't have enough child murder" is an immature and offensive way of putting it, sure. But this is the message-board for one of the more immature and offensive films made in a long time, so what do you expect?



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Man you are the whiniest person ive ever seen on imdb and thats saying something. about four posts ago (for you) you said youd stop posting on this thread. what happened to that great idea?

you dont like murder set pieces, you dont like child murder? who cares. youre argument i guess you dont have kids is ridiculous. i have friends with kids who watched MSP and liked the child murder scenes what is your point? the movie did what it was supposed to as it pissed you off to know end. it wasnt supposed to be a good movie, it was purely supposed to be shocking. if you dont like it fine but stop blasting other people because they like mindless gore and violence. the more kids that die as long as it pisses you off im happy about it.

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the whole point of horror films is that they horrify and frighten their audience.

what's more horrifying and frightening than watching a young child getting killed??? i cant think of much.

but you have to remember that it IS pretend. so unless you have proof that these children are actually getting killed on film for real, you dont really have much of an argument.

there are so many films out there that are really sick, brutal and horrifying....

unless you LIKE being disgusted and horrified by films, yet knowing all the time that no-one actually died on camera, i'd advise you keep well away from films (and boards) like this because youre just ruining the fun for people who like to scare and horrify themselves...


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Why bother????
I live in the Uk which still has massive amounts of censorship, this feel is not being released here, and copies have been confiscated by customs, so I jumped on the board to see what people were saying, which is fair enough it doesn't make me an idiot and my head is not up my ass, it's funny but the people defending this film are quite polite and calm and you are just an offensive little man.
Oh and as for the last 20 years and horror movies go
try these
Audition-combat shock-ichi the killer-henry portrait of a serial killer-old boy-tattoo-

you are an ignorant fool sir

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Have any of you seen City of God? A fantastic, well made movie that moves the audience and portrays a decent message, while, *gasp* has a scene of children killing children. With guns. Oooh.

It seems as if you can't handle a certain scene, don't watch it. That's fine. Just don't ruin everyone else's fun.

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God...Shut up! All of you...Especially *beep* and crockalingus. This movie was plain garbage all around - Everytime you post here, you're doing nothing but adding fuel to the director's/spammers fire.
If you losers want to whine about what's right and wrong with children being murdered, the events of 911 or anything else - then go to another discussion board.
This site is for the discussion of movies good and bad. MOVIES.
And before the dullards who will jump down my throat and post the irony of my rant - save your time. I'm aware of this. I'm just bored senseless when people argue back and forth about things that have nothing to do with the movie itself.
The movie sucked. Pure grade z material. Period. The only thing I was offended by is the unbelievable hype surrounding this movie and the mind-numbing headache I got after watching it.

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Yay, more MSP haters!

keep em' coming...funny how you (amy64) only have ONE post on the IMDB and it is the one above mine...


LoL @ you


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Hey Nick or Sal, the film just isn't that good. The people have spoken, so deal with it.

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im 25, and i have seen all the "shocking" films here...all the usual stuff. i love CH, but i dont find it all too shocking. last year i was even able to see a midnight show of CH at a st. louis show.
salo, men behind the sun, nekromantik, flower of flesh and blood, aftermath, and most recently slaughterd vomit dolls, which was perhaps the most boring film i have ever seen. for that matter, just about all these films left me dissapointed, and most of them are just boring like august underground, which i would call blair witch with gore. i guess to make a gore film all you need to do now is use a cheap camera and shake it around so we cant see? i guess if i had to pick a few scenes i would say the end of both nekromantiks, recently i saw a movie called garden of love, which albeit a crappy flick, had a great opening scene. miikes episode of masters of horror "imprint" was pretty nasty too. there is so much more to say...love to talk gore with anyone, maybe if we work together we can find somthing new. sliver of flesh @ sbcglobal . net someone work with me, maybe we can find somthing. nice to see people out there like me though.

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I think a large part of it is not how the film was made and whether or not the fiml-maker was skilled but your mind-set as you go into it. Watching a lot of these sort of films leaves you jaded and desensitized. So much so that you forget what "normal" people class as gory.

This is not definitely a bad thing, but I think it is your own fault that these movies do not shock or disturb you, and it's a hard process to reverse (if possible at all).

I would reccomend IRREVERSIBLE, which you did not mention on your list. I have watched all the films you mentioned (except men behind the sun) and personally found Irreversible to be the most shocking film I've ever seen. In saying that, not many other people feel the same way. Also, there is not very much gore in it at all, but over-the-top gore is not disturbing to me unless it is in a very disturbing context. Something about the atmosphere of Irreversible really got to me. While I laugh my way through murder-set-pieces at the atrocious acting and film-making, I was seriously on-edge all the way through irreversible. Don't be angry if you don't get the same response, especially if you start watching the film with a "I'm tough as and won't be affected" mentality.



"I kick arse for the Lord!" - Braindead

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Irreversible , yeah that is very disturbing, also henke's Funny Games.

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QUOTE - I heard it was crap so I'll take there advice.

WOW....that is really discouraging and sad to hear. You are saying that just because someone else says their opinion about a particular film, because it is a negative 'review' you choose to NOT SEE IT??!!

...'man, strawberries taste like crap, I hate 'em!' ....so you don't ever try strawberries??!!

your logic is ignorant and flawed


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wow so someone saying they dont like what you do and dont want to endure themselves through it? Is ignorant? I could continue here but from what ive read of this post you seem to be the if you dont like it dont watch it type... maybe im wrong but from reading these posts i wont be watching it either... guess im ignorant to... for an opinion unlike yours

also as to the strawberries thing just a tad out of context how about .. "dude i hate touching dead bodies its so disgusting" do you have to try it first?

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I personally feel quite offended by seeing kids whacked on screen. Dont get me wrong i aint gonna go and call people any names because they enjoy watching what they enjoy watching. I aint one to get all up in arms about anything that is portrayed in films but i myself draw the line at watching a film where some young child is murdered or abused etc. This is because i have a young kid of my own and he always pops into my head when i see that sort of stuff.

But hey you guys watch what you want cause i would have if i didnt know about that scene!!

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It's a film jackasses, it's fake. Bunch of fools

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I'm going to lay it out fo ryou like this, Mr. Palumbo. If you had talked to people like they had some sense and intermingled in the community from the beginning then you would have been welcomed with open arms. Instead you had to set your rabid bit ch dog SAL loose on the Internet and between the two of you calling everyone idiots, you have managed to alienate your core audience.

Think about it while you contemplate the tree of woe.

PS: choke on Sal's stubby joint you Nazi coc kmonger!

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quote: "It was a diffulcult scene to shoot."

Yeah, I bet. Directing with one-hand must be extremely challenging.

BTW, the movie sucks.

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Here, here!
Amy64 is completely right, this movie completely sucks in every way! I have had bowel movements that were more disturbing than this... you really think this is one of the most disturbing movies ever made? really? I can think of about 100 other movies that rank higher on the disturb-o-meter than this. As I watched this film I laughed quite literally. It was stupid and I had to laugh at the lack of a good plot, the lack of a point behind the violence, the atrocious acting, and I especially laughed at the pathetic attempt by the director to make the most vile, disturbing film ever because he without a doubt completely and utterly failed.

"Did that blow your mind? That just happened!"

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I have one question about something people in this tread have been saying.

How exactly do you enjoy the scene of a child been murdered? (I'm not trying to patronize, I'm really asking)

I think the word enjoy is connected with the emotion of happiness or fun so I don't know how one person can enjoy this scene, maybe be entertain because that word has a wider zone of emotions, a movie can be entertaining by fear, disgust, fun, laugh, or just grabbing our attention by any mean necessary; so I could understand how a scene like this could be entertaining (don`t think of entertaining as a light fare movie) but enjoyable? how's that?

When I watched the scene of child murder in The Untold Story I was, quite frankly, shocked, I mean some people are very sensitive to animal violence, female violence and, in my case, child violence so even with the most cheap and bad looking gore effects I've ever seen, that sequence in Untold Story really got to me. It is a great movie and it is a great, powerful all out scene, I couldn't take my eyes off.

I say this so you don't assume I'm here to tell you that is bad to watch films with child violence, people can watch and be entertain by whatever the *beep* they want, I understand that; the can even enjoy a scene like that (apparently) but that I don't understand so, would you mind explaining?

Again I'm not criticizing nor judging, I'm just curious and wanted to explain why I'm curious.



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