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Luke/Luca was initially a bisexual in denial

posted 13 years ago by sensationofeuphoria
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It's apparent that a lot of the users frequenting the threads on this board are making nonsensical assessments about the sexual orientation(s) of each zerophiliac.

First off, labels such as 'gay' and 'straight' are obsolete when speaking of zerophiliacs. The accurate labels that would apply to zerophiliacs are: androsexual, gynesexual, and/or bisexual.

Androsexual is a gender-neutral terminology that applies to people who are exclusively attracted to the male sex and/or gender. As you can imagine, gynesexual is the opposite gender-neutral equivalent to androsexual. Bisexual is obviously also gender-neutral terminology as well.

A zerophiliac's sexual orientation does not shift, it stays intact, and Sydney is a prime example of that. Sydney is an androsexual zerophiliac, not a straight woman and/or gay man. Calling Sydney a straight woman and/or gay man defies Sydney's zerophilia and identity as a whole. Regardless of which sex a zerophiliac presents as, s/he is still one in the same, not separate identities.

Now, when it comes to Luke/Luca's sexual orientation, people on here seem to naïvely assume that it shifts... which is very gullible to believe. Why would it shift for Luke/Luca, but not for Sydney or Max/Michelle? Because it doesn't. Be realistic.

When Luke meets Max, it's visible that Max subtly flirts with Luke. Luke doesn't openly engage in the flirting, however if you pay attention, Luke seems to go into a subtly coy, passive, and vulnerable mode when Max flirts with him. To me, that suggested an attraction to Max. It was very clear there was sensual energy going on between the two in their male forms, especially in that scene. Also, going by their body language in that scene, it's quite telling that if they copulated with each other in their male forms, that Luke would be the bottom and Max the top. This is visible by Max's dominant energy and Luke's gentle nature.

It's undeniable that Luke/Luca was simply a bisexual in denial who didn't want to accept his/her attraction to men from the very beginning. Zerophilia seemed to have enabled leeway for Luke/Luca to eventually come out and make peace with his/her's sexuality, and also gender(s).

[–] Frumious_Bandersnatch_46 13 years ago

I'm not all that sure about Luke/Luca. When this first hit him he seemed to go into a what-the-[beep]-is-happening-to-me panic. Before that, he seemed to be an ordinary straight guy — and the first few times he became Luca, she was attracted to Max.

I don't think he was really in denial. Perhaps he just hadn't realized it yet. It was Max/Michelle who helped him get past that panic and accept the situation with all its fluidity of gender.

As to orientation (or, at least, the object of his/her attraction) shifting with the changes for some but not for all, I learned half a century ago that we all have our differences and our similarities: One size, indeed, does NOT fit all.

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[–] iluvbairs 12 years ago

Okay, so Sydney is attracted to guys no matter which gender she/he happens to be at the time, which is why he/she said it wouldn't have worked to have sex with Luca since she/he was not attracted to her. I know you said the gay/straight labels are inaccurate, but Sydney identifies himself as a gay man because he's attracted to guys, but also feels like his final locked form is meant to be a man.

So where it gets confusing is if Max/Michelle and Luke/Luca have a form they believe they should be locked into? I got the impression that Michelle/Max is typically comfortable as a girl and Luke/Luca as a boy, but they both are willing to embrace both?

Also, what gender they are attracted to has an impact because both Max/Michelle and Luke/Luca would have to be bisexual in their attraction, which is really the only way to explain the end of the movie when Max/Michelle and Luke/Luca are having sex, and they keep transforming. While it's almost always Max and Luca and Michelle and Luke, at one point we see that Michelle and Luca and Max and Luke are sharing the same space, which essentially means that they both have bisexual tendencies and would effectively be able to have sex as either gender with either gender, especially since masturbation is not enough to cause the change once a z has had sex with another z, right?

[–] Frumious_Bandersnatch_46 12 years ago

Right. That is very much how I see it.

Both the female and the male Sydney were attracted to men — and female Sydney was looking for a male Z merely to use him to transform back to his (Syndney's) own male form.

Max/Michelle seemed to have a more open-minded attitude about it — and that is what helped Luke/Luca get past the initial panic to a stage where he/she could accept the situation.

I do have to add a big HOWEVER:
I am neither the writer who thought up the story nor one of the actors who turned the words-on-paper into flesh-and-blood people. All of this is merely my best guess and an acceptance that there are straight people, gay people, and bi people out there; some of them looking for love, some of them looking for sex, all of them looking for someone.

We don't see things as they are; we see things as we are.
— Anaïs Nin

[–] MattGUK 10 years ago

First up, I am an Aspie, therefore hopeless at body language, therefore didn't see that initial scene between Max and Luke as flirting.

Best I can tell from what Michelle told Luke about Max though,it hinted that Max isn't quite as secure as he presents so that "dominant energy" would be a front.

What I suspect is that while Max/Michelle were accepting of their own nature...they were looking for another accepting Z to get with. They fired off cryptic clues to Luke/Luca about each other but would have been better off saying "look, I'm a Zerophiliac".

Whether Luke was bi to start with...well maybe. Given the nature of Z-relationships...maybe most Z's are bi but any attraction to males Luke had wasn't triggered before turning into Luca for the first time!

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[–] davidvincentwolf 9 years ago

I know I'm late to the party here, so to speak. I saw this interesting little movie a few years ago and enjoyed it, and just recently watched it again on a lark, and ended up here reading all the different interpretations of what it all meant. I shouldn't be surprised to read so many different ideas about these characters, but MOB, I just wanted to tell you that I came away with exactly the same understanding that you did about Sydney, Luke/Luca, Michelle/Max, and what took place. That said, it's also easy for me to understand how many others can come away from this film seeing many different versions as they've described in the diversity of their comments. Since "Zerophilia" is not a real thing, these juxtapose scenarios open very interesting possibilities for those looking at these situations from different perspectives.