He sabotaged his marriage, he made his daughter grow up without a father, he emotionally tortured his wife, he left his girlfriend who loved him all alone, and he bailed on his band right before their first North American tour. Seems like this movie wants you to think he was a complete narcissist whose only redeeming quality was his music.
shareDo you not realise he was in real pain? He had epilepsy and he just couldn't take it anymore!
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Ah, Annik Honoré had a big part in helping to "sabotage" Curtis' marriage, and the marriage was not a strong one anyway. Curtis married at 19, and his wife was 18; being that young doesn't set the stage for stability, when speaking of a life commitment.
Also, as a previous poster pointed out, Curtis was in severe pain, which has nothing to do with being a jerk.
and he bailed on his band right before their first North American tour.
Ah yes, Curtis' suicide did account for his "bailing" on his band before their first North American Tour.
Any other clever insights you'd like to add, should probably be withheld until you reach full adulthood.
Jack's not dead! Jack would never die without telling me, first!
I have to kind of agree with the original poster in relation to the film noting that before watching recently I didn't really know anything about Joy Division or Ian Curtis (but big on music so want to know more).
Obviously I won't call him selfish for the suicide as being ill and getting worse he eventually couldn't handle it. The problem I had with him based on what I saw in the film is he basically cheated, at one point claiming he didn't love his wife anymore (the reporter apparently disputes the affair so I heard somewhere).
Getting married too young is never a good sign but I feel that the most man thing Ian should have done was left when he realised it wasn't working but instead he apparently cheated, claimed he didn't love his wife only to claim he did still love her and came back while still having an apparent on/off affair.
His wife even seemed to be willing to forget and forgive if he ended it but Ian couldn't. I felt bad for her because she seemed to hardly see him due to his music, tours etc. which is bad especially when you consider they had a child together.
As I mentioned I'm new to Ian and Joy Division so most of what I am saying is based on what the film seemed to show, but after watching I did wonder if Ian wasn't the greatest person people often claim he is and simply was a great at what he did with people often putting him on a pedestal as if he was a perfect nice person.
As I mentioned I'm new to Ian and Joy Division so most of what I am saying is based on what the film seemed to show, but after watching I did wonder if Ian wasn't the greatest person people often claim he is and simply was a great at what he did with people often putting him on a pedestal as if he was a perfect nice person.
Whether he was nice, or good person (because, anyone can be "nice" but can still be a horrible person.) with the whole idolization factor being central but not obvious to the screen play for the film and story, it is hard to tell what the "real" Ian was like. I do feel bad for (most) anyone that is so sick or in so much pain, that their only solution to the pain or depression is suicide.
Jack's not dead! Jack would never die without telling me, first!
Hi people with mental illness are more than just their mental illnesses. This movie portrayed him as having absolutely no other redeeming qualities but his music because his mental (and physical) illnesses are all that define him. Cool insults though, thanks!
shareHe seems to have been a bit of a dick but that doesnt change how good the music is.
shareNarcissism is a personality disorder and while those are pretty *beep* to be around, they are even *beep* to experience firsthand. So actually it`s rather that "nascissist" translates into the "tortured" in "tortured genius".
shareI find it odd he wanted to get married and have a kid so young. I know it was expected back then but it doesn't mean people went in with happy hearts.
In the film he regarded his Wife and child without any emotion. Totally cold like a robot. I read he couldn't drive or even hold his Daughter. That must've been horrible. I wonder what Ian was like in real life with his band off the clock. Was he ever happy?