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The Real Question..Or Maybe I Just Missed It..


Number one..not a bad movie....wasnt all that good...but not all that bad...

My Big Question: Why did Ludlow get framed? Why wasn't it someone else in the unit?

I know Ludlow got handed all the dirty jobs...was that the main reason? He was "frameable"? and they had too much dirt on him?

And in essence: What did framing him, actually accomplish? No one gained anything out of it...in my humble opinion.

I know Biggs set up Ludlow....but why couldnt he set up one of the other cops in the unit?

Like I said...maybe I missed something....

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He kept messing up, he became a liability to them. They told him to chill, covered him when he killed the Koreans, when he shot Washington, while he investigated himself and pressured people. Then he went and gave the video to the widow which showed massive corruption and would get them in trouble, he went and killed two of their main people with which they dealt heroin/cocaine.

Too far of the edge and they let go.

Not sure why at the start, telling him that Washington was selling him out would set him off and they knew it.. 'shrugs' A test maybe, that one I don't get.

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Thanks for the reply Dark...

Your answers made alot of sense...in a movie like this where everything is not left to reason, but interpretation, and the plot line seemed occluded at times, your answers shed some light..

It just didn't make any sense..that Wander sent him out on all these "missions"..and with the Korean result, he seemed elated. But then again, it could have just been an act.

Maybe yer right about Ludlow being "out there"....and had to go...But then again...Wander set him up for all the aforementioned missions..and set him up for failure anyway...seems there could have been another way out.

Thanks again.

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I don't think Biggs knew enough to take down Wander. Biggs main weapon to bring Wander down was Ludlow, he was a trojan horse of sorts.

I think Washington told him about Ludlow, and that information made him confident that Ludlow would end up on top. Or at least stir things up enough to cause serious problems for Wander.

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When Wander decided to kill Washington the moment Washington went clean, he decided to *use* - not frame - Ludlow in setting up Washington for death.

The reason why Wander chose Ludlow was because a) Ludlow and Washington were former partners who fell out with each other after Washington developed a conscience, and b) Wander knew Ludlow well enough to predict his potential reactions. Ludlow was the "shoot now, ask later" type.

At a celebratory party (after the Korean showdown) Wander and his men told Ludlow that Washington had been telling the Internal Affairs about Ludlow. What Ludlow didn't know at this time: Washington was in fact telling the IA about the "cookie jar" (involving Wander), not Ludlow himself. They did this because they knew Ludlow would work himself up into going after Washington with a punch or two to teach him a lesson.

Why did they need him when they could just sic the undercover cops on Washington without involving Ludlow? Again, they knew him well enough to know he would investigate the shooting of Washington. Like it or not, Washington was still his former partner.

By putting him there at the shooting and then helping him out (hiding the video CD and recovering the stray bullet), they assumed Ludlow would sit down and shut up from there on. Like, keeping him on short leash. They were wrong.

When Ludlow investigated for the real identities of the undercover cops, they finally decided to frame him by sacrificing all - Ludlow, Disco, the undercover cops, the widow and Ludlow's girlfriend - to pin all their deaths on Ludlow, dead or alive, because Ludlow was destroying all their efforts to make Washington's murder part of of a simple robbery gone wrong.

What triggered their decision is that Ludlow was finally discovering what Washington had known all along and trying to tell the IA about -- the cookie jar. The undercover cops were the key (they had been selling police-confiscated drugs and collecting money from people for Wander and his men's "cookie jar"). Ludlow wasn't supposed to know. He was just Wander's wild dog who took illegal short cuts in the name of justice, which helped to further Wander's career.

So yeah, they figured that the moment Ludlow learned the truth about what Washington was trying to do, he had to be framed then die.

EDIT: Ludlow was willing to take illegal short cuts because a) he was grateful to Wander for 'saving him' from himself, b) he believed in justice, and c) he was an emotional wreck (wife's adultery, her death, his alcoholism, etc). Otherwise I don't know why.

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Alot of what you typed makes perfect sense, and I thank you for the clarification of a few things.

It just hit me as odd, that Ludlow did everything Wander wanted him to do, and the kid still gets nailed for it. I understood the ongoing plot, even with Washington giving up Ludlow, which turned out to he Wander himself.

Washington, the cookie jar, the whole movie was good...just a few things hit me as odd..

Thanks for the reply....



I Get It: You Want Me To Actually Give A Damn..

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Yeah, the film has some odd moments and questions. Like why didn't Biggs tell Ludlow about what Washington told him at the start?

I thought maybe the fact Wander had dirty stuff on Biggs and other higher ups that kept them from going after Wander, but it still doesn't explain why Biggs kept Ludlow in the dark.

I guess there would be no film if Biggs did tell Ludlow. :D

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ludlow was a loose cannon and biggs wanted him to shake things up!

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What doesn't make sense to me is that, if Ludlow was the worst, most corrupt cop on the force, why was he apparently the only one who didn't know about the Cookie Jar? All along? For years?

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A couple of things I've wanted to reply too for this movie:

as stated in the movie...Ludlow was Wanders "pet" did all his dirty jobs for him.

As I posted a while back, and to some good replies, I cant figure why, Ludlow was set up for the fall..when everyone else knew what was going on inside the unit..

To me, except for the alcohol abuse, Ludlow didnt seem like that much of a screwup to me...he did what he was told.

As far as the cookie jar Jakuja, thats a good question too.














I Get It: You Want Me To Actually Give A Damn..

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In addition to what's already been written above I'd like to clarify something that at least was my impression. Ludlow was NOT DIRTY. That is, he was not corrupt as his captain and other members of his squad. He was merely a tough cop who not always played by the rules - probably a bad thing in itself sure, but not in the sense that he wanted to profit from his work. Thus, one could say that he was "honest" and the others managed to frame him because of it.

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To follow up above. Ludlow did some bad things, especially off the books, but he still had a desire to do good. That's why he shot up the koreans, because they were doing bad things. Not because he wanted to make a buck. Whereas Wander and the rest of the squad were in it to make a buck. And, as Santos says, Ludlow was a chump. He did Wander's bidding because he thought he was getting bad guys, but really Wander wanted him to do it to make a buck. Everyone else in the unit knew it. So when he got close to the truth in investigating Washington's death, they set him up to take a fall to get rid of him. THey tried to get him to lay low and let it go but because he wouldn't, they set him up like the chump he was.

At the same time, Biggs was using him to ferret out the corruption inside the unit because he knew what Ludlow did wasn't because he was a bad cop, but that he was trying to do good things by breaking the rules. So really, again he was a chump and Biggs used him too.

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The plot at times, got pretty cloudy as far as what Ludlow was involved in. Ludlow did not hit me as a bad guy, or even a screw up. He hit me as someone that did good things, tried to play by the rules. Sometimes, it was very hard to do.

Something hit me in this post: It didnt occur to me that the other squad members had Washington killed. But, instead of using 2 cops..why not just use Fremont and Coates? Did I miss something there too?

So they framed Ludlow....because he got too close to what actually happened to Washington? at this time, how did Biggs factor into this? The end of the movie told alot about the plot...just not all of it.

Left a few things cloudy. Did Wander have the other squad members set up Washington? it was alluded too that the whole thing was a Wonder Caper...I know Washington was going to Internal Affairs to narc on Wander, and Ludlow took the fall for it...another thing thats kinda cloudy.

I'll watch is again...one day, and see if I missed something.

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