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Yash Chopra, get a reality check

posted 19 years ago by aquamarine_19
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All Bollywood films are made in Urdu, and Urdu exactly the way it's spoken in Pakistan. So this director had to use archaic ancient Urdu full of jargonisms to paint the Pakistani charcters as being "Pakistani". What a freak. On top of that he made 'em wear freaky dresses you barely get to see in Pakistan. And we don't say "Adaab" you nut. This aint Lucknow, it's Pakistan and we go "Salaam" and "walaikum Salaam'. The nutcase.

Come on guys let's face it - what you call as "Hindi" cinema is not Hindi cinema. I've seen Indians speak "merey ko, terey ko, jaraa jaraa " kind of Language. That's what they call "hindi". The movies are pure Urdu, right down from the poetry to the scripts. Let's have real Hindi in your movies now if you're going to call it Hindi cinema.

It's no secret that Indian actors have to take Urdu classes and watch hours and hours of Pakistani TV plays to correct their Urdu diction. It's no hidden fact either that the most prolific lyricist of Hindi cinema, Javed Akhtar writes in Urdu. And not Hindi. Now you know where they got it from.

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[–] j_jenny 19 years ago

UM... ok, either you haven't passed school or you're still there, failing again and again... Indians don't say "merey ko, terey ko". That's not hindi, that's slang. IT'S CALLED TAPORI !!!! LOL WATCH MUNNABHAI! even if you go to Mumbai, most ppl still don't speak like that! and secondly, urdu isn't pure anyway, it's a language that wasn't created to long ago, out of Hindi and another language... Lastly, Indian cinema is in HINDI! Only some weird kawali songs are in urdu.

Pakistani actresses are starting to infest bombay. They only get cast in item songs, anyway. LOL!

Everyone knows Urdu was created in India anyway, i dunno why you're feeling so proud. It's a false sense of pride. They speak Pujabi in pakistan.

[–] aquamarine_19 19 years ago

Right. I've yet to hear any Indian speak the language in "Hindi" films. If Indian cinema is indeed in Hindi, why is all the poetry and dialogue in Urdu? To site just a few examples from recent Hindi movies I 've randomly picked from IMDB [they're so crass, I really can't be bothered...but here you go...]

1. Kasoor - a pure Urdu word. Why don't you have "Dosh" instead - that's Hindi!
2. Hum Aap Key Dil Mein Rehtey Hain. "Aap" is distinctly used in Urdu conversation. It doesnt even figure in Hindi.
3. Dil Chahta Hai - and why not "Man karta Hai"? That's Hindi!
4. Bewafaa and not some freaky Sankritised Hindi word.
5. Raaz. Indians who speak Hindi pronounce the title as "Raaj" but in the movie it's "RaaZ" the way it's said in Urdu.
6. Mujhey Kuch Kehna Hai - and why not "Merey ko kuch bolna Hai"

And incidently the language you call "tapori" is not limited to Bombayites. Every Indian I've heard so far speaks the same s*it.

And I'm not posting thousands and thousands of Indian film lyrics which are wr itten in pure Urdu here. I just can't be bothered.

I'm not sure you guys can comprehend the film dialogue and lyrics, and I wouldn;t blame you coz it iant your language :).

Anyway, I'm talking to some freak here who thinks they speak only Punjabi in Pakistan. Dude get out of your diapers and grow up. Reality is not always what we want it to be ;)

[–] j_jenny 19 years ago

Oh man, you've given me entertainment for the day. So I thank you. Lol.

Secondly, it looks like you REALLY haven't studied south asian history. Urdu was created in India. If you think that Indians don't understand Urdu, think again.

Secondly, Pakistanis themselves say that Punjabi is spoken in Pakistan. I know soo many of them.
Sanskrit is the oldest language in the world. Latin was derived from Sanskrit.
Do a google search on Sanskrit and you'll see. Anyway, The point is Urdu was created in India, and we've taught it. If we didn't know it what the *beep* would we put that sh*t in our movies. I never said it ain't in the songs. It's there because Hindi is a rational and logical language and we need some sort of Nautanki language that will work in romantic songs. This is where urdu comes in.

your brain needs a defogger, there's something in there that's blocking intellectual thought.

[–] mikham 19 years ago

I was also under the impression that more people in Pakistan spoke Punjabi than Urdu. I have a couple of friends form Lahore and they both said that Punjabi is much more widely spoken than Urdu. In fact, if my memory serves me correctly, it was in fact after watching Veer Zaara I asked them for this clarification.

Anyway, how come Dil Chahta Hai is an Urdu title? It is possible for identical words to exist in two different languages. Its quite common epspecially among most languages in Western Europe. Personally I would say comparing Urdu and Hindi is like comparing Spanish and Italian. Quite similar with alot of words overlapping, but alot of differences as well. But that's just my opinion.

I agree with your first point though, that Yash Chopra was quite off about what Pakistan is actually like. I'm not speaking from personal experience, but from the impression I got from Pakistani people I spoke to.

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[–] MrsFarhanAkhtar 15 years ago

umair4x4 is a genius...and this is the stupidest thread i've come across. Seriously, who cares what the language...learn to make some friends.
Oh yeah, I just have to add (couldn't resist) Indians don't speak, "merey ko, terey ko, jara jara". At least, most of us don't. Seriously that's slang.
Hell, who cares!

[–] ShowStoppar 14 years ago

aquamarine is a *beep*. his mom hates him. and everyone hates his country.

[–] ChocolateIsMyDrug 16 years ago

I thought that Hindi was a sort of mixture of Sanskrit and Urdu, and there are two words for almost everything, a Sanskrit-based one and an Urdu-based one. I understand it as: Urdu + Sanskrit = Hindi

Isn't that right?

[–] chupster811 16 years ago

I'm an American Indian, so I think that I can avoid national ties and clear up this nonsense.

Before Muslim empires came to rule India, there was a language called Hindavi. During the Mughal Empire, Turkish, Arabic, and Persian vocabulary entered the language, and formed what is called khari boli.

With the partition of India in 1947, the new states of Pakistan and India chose Persianized and Sanskritized registers of khari boli as their national languages. These they called "Urdu" and "Hindi" respectively.

[–] Val-El 13 years ago

I'm an American Indian

Really? What tribe? (sorry, couldn't resist!)