Rip Off of a German Film - The Stanford Prison Experiment (2015) Discussion

[–] cliche96119 16 years ago

this is definitely a re-working of the same experiment that 'das experiment' was based on.

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[–] jmftown9 16 years ago

The German movie was based on the experiment.

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[–] rjryan8812 16 years ago

i saw that movie, it's awesome

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[–] oh_so_splenetic 16 years ago

I saw that movie too, but honestly, how can you say that? Das Experiment, was, if anything, a rip-off of an actual event. At least these people are giving credit where credit is due, unlike Das Experiment, which played it off completely. Literally everything in the first half of Das Experiment is what really happened, down to the presence of the journalist, the stripping naked, and the fire extinguisher (after these events it loses reality, as shortly after that they had to cancel the experiment because things got out of hand). I am not sure if I really think this movie will be better than the German one, but they probably won't stray as far from the truth as in the German one.

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[–] megi 16 years ago

i agree that calling it a "rip off" of Das Experiment isn't really true but i am glad that the German film is mentioned on this page. so i am putting this thread back on top and hopefully can get some folks out there to rent this version. completely true or not: in my opinion a very good movie and it will keep you at the edge of your seat.

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[–] bubbles-69 16 years ago

I don't really agree with it being a rip off of Das experiment as it's based on actual events but I can't wait to see the end product!
I think I might go and rent Das experiment as I've never seen it!

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[–] torquemama2002 16 years ago

Yes, please understand that the experiment itself was in 1971 in Stanford. This movie is based on that experiement, not some German film in 2001. If you want to point fingers, point them at the Germans for making a film ripped off from a Stanford experiment.

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[–] AMovieTheatreGoer 16 years ago

Guess why I'm not surprised?
- Das Experiment (DEU) = The Stanford Prison Experiment (American remake)
- Funny Games (DEU) = Funny Games U.S. (American remake)
- Bella Martha (DEU) = No Reservation (American remake)
- Das Leben der Anderen (DEU) = rumored? (American remake)
- Trois Hommes et un Couffin (FRE)= 3 Men and a Little Lady (American remake)
- L'ultimo bacio (ITA) = The Last Kiss (American remake)
- Abre Los Ojos (SPA)= Vanilla Sky (American remake)
- Hairspray (US) = Hairspray (American remake)
- Yo soy Betty, la Fea (Colombia) = Ugly Betty (lovely American remake)
- Man About the House (UK) = Three's Company (lovely American remake)
- The Italian Job (UK) = The Italian Job (American remake)
- Queer as Folk (UK) = Queer as Folk (American bad remake)
- Profumo di donna (ITA) = Scent of a woman (American remake)

(to be continued............)
without consider older movies (War and Peace, for example)...

Even if sometimes they are wanted by their directors or screenwriter themselves, often with their cameos inside.
Nice "remake" actors, anyway!!!!
...and Ryan is one of my favorite actors!

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[–] tommuller2002 16 years ago

very unoriginal. why bother?

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[–] ukrobbo 15 years ago

This is a foolish point to make. It is well known that European films are less well known than American ones. I hate having to plead ignorance, but I've only heard of five of those originals.
Besides, you could argue this point with several films. Just because a stopgap movie with a similar principle to this one which is actually about the event, rather than just inspired by it came out a few years ago, it doesn't give it some kind of immunity.
I'd argue the point of the Producers, whose original movie was frankly poor, whereas the 2005 remake was fantastic and far more enjoyable.

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[–] AMovieTheatreGoer 15 years ago

You both have missed the point: I mean there are too many remakes, they are just speculative of someone else ideas.
Besides, they overfill our movie theaters just because they came from big producers and this is to detriment of other movies.

And if so many directors choose to do so many movies again: 1) they are short of new good ideas - 2) those movies are enough well know by them, if they want to do their own versions!

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[–] ukrobbo 15 years ago

If they 'overfill'our cinemas, doesn't that mean there must be a demand for them? Sorry to spoil your poseur-ish dreams of brilliance but the demand for big flashy action films is far greater than that of arty films.

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[–] AMovieTheatreGoer 15 years ago

I don't think so. Who needs a remake?

Just an example: I used to watch Uk series "Man about the house" when I was a little child. It was replaced in our tv for many years with its remake "Three's Company", quite nice, but not so original. Almost nobody of my age seems to remember the original "Man about the house". I could taped it only after 20 years, when a satellite channel finally sent it again!!!
Have you understand what I mean?

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[–] Thought_Criminal_J62377 7 years ago

there are too much remakes

Many

they are just speculative of someone else ideas.

Ripoffs, Else's

they overfill our movie theaters just because they came from big producers and this is to detriment of other movies.

Fill, The detriment

And if so many directors choose to do so much movies again

Many

those movies are enough well know by them

Those movies are well enough known by them.

You speak the English like a person that doesn't speak English. How 'bout spending time and energy reporting American movies that have been ripped-off and remade by foreigners?

My Crime Is Prohibited Thought, My Oppressors Are Bleeding Heart Liberals

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[–] AMovieTheatreGoer 7 years ago

Of course, you missed the point here...

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[–] Thought_Criminal_J62377 7 years ago

you missed the point here...

It's hard to discern your points, but my points were that you don't speak English well and that there are plenty of examples of foreigners ripping off American movies. So why do I always see criticism only targeting the USA? Is it jealousy?

My Crime Is Prohibited Thought, My Oppressors Are Bleeding Heart Liberals

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[–] AMovieTheatreGoer 7 years ago

So I shouldn't write just because I'm not English or American?
I can't be envy of USA, a thing you US people can't understand apparently, I regret that, when a US remake comes out, we don't see the original anymore. It doens't means that the US one is better, it's just more famous.
Nothing personal.

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[–] Thought_Criminal_J62377 7 years ago

So I shouldn't write just because I'm not English or American?

Sorry about that, I'm just frustrated with your opinion.

when a US remake comes out, we don't see the original anymore.

Well buy the one you like and you'll be able to see it anytime you want. Why come on hear to complain about something that is obviously the will of the people? And I do think jealousy is an element, because it seems you're saying "All the big American movies make our movies obsolete."

It doens't means that the US one is better, it's just more famous.

This is further proof of your resentment toward America.

The whole "I begrudge America because..." mantra is ignorance, born of jealousy. We even get singled out and criticized for believing in our right to own guns.

How do you think being judged by foreigners, for things that aren't even their business, makes us feel?

BLM & SJWs Hate White People

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[–] AMovieTheatreGoer 7 years ago

It's sad and curious to read that, only because I don't like pure commercial projects like remakes, you assume I hate you US people. I see from your reply that you're missing my point.

I love a lot of original US movies, like the Star Wars/IndianaJones/Back To The Future saga, Almost Famous, a lot of musicals like Singin' In The Rain, long list.

I don't even like remakes from US movies, like The Magnificent Seven! Nothing like the original.

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[–] jutuomin 13 years ago

Yes..
The list could go even further (as tatyamaretti said)..

Besides the ones you mentioned the ones that I can think of right away are:

[Rec], 2007 (SPA) = Quarantine, 2008 (American remake)
Coupling, 2000-2004 (UK) = Coupling, 2003 (Absolutely awful American remake)
Kairo, 2001 (JAP) = Pulse, 2006 (American remake)
Ju-on, 2002 (JAP) = The Grudge, 2004 (American remake)
Ringu, 1998 (JAP) = The Ring, 2002 (American remake)
Ringu 2, 1999 (JAP) = The Ring Two, 2005 American remake)
The Shutter, 2004 (Thailand) = The Shutter, 2008 (American remake)
The Eye, 2002 (China) = The Eye, 2008 (American remake)
Into the Mirror, 2003 (South Korea) = Mirrors, 2008 (American remake)
(Mirrors 2, 2010 is also a remake of this same film)
Let the Right One In, 2008 (SWE) = Let Me In, 2010 (American remake)
Insomnia, 1997 (NOR) = Insomnia, 2002 (American remake)
One Missed Call, 2003 (JAP) = One Missed Call, 2008 (American remake)

(And list continues.. And unfortunately not only foreign movies will go like this. The American movies are remade as well..)

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[–] jamesl9 8 years ago

The UK show Coupling was a rip off of the American show Friends.

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[–] ciffou 8 years ago

????
What?

Why did they make an american version then?

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[–] sinbad8982 8 years ago

Not really is was a lot more x-rated and completely different humour wise, the only similarity is 3 men and 3 women who are friends

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[–] Thought_Criminal_J62377 7 years ago

Yes..
The list could go even further (as tatyamaretti said)..

Besides the ones you mentioned the ones that I can think of right away are:

How 'bout you spend time and energy reporting American movies that have been ripped-off and remade by foreigners. I'll bet all you complainers are foreign and thus, biased.

My Crime Is Prohibited Thought, My Oppressors Are Bleeding Heart Liberals

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[–] KnyghtMirror 9 years ago

Yeah because other countries never re-make American films..how many countries have re-made Star Wars? Turkey, Brazil. Might want to check into that while you claim the US has little originality. And with Das Experiment, did the real experiment involve only finding Stanford students who spoke German? Or better yet...what about how Germany, France, Mexico dub over English speaking films? Let's try not to bow down too much to films from other countries. While living in America I see a lot of foreign films, I only see they're best...what about their junk? Especially Turkey...wow their films are really really bad.

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[–] UmpahpahBg 8 years ago

Das Experiment (DEU) = The Stanford Prison Experiment (Original experiment).
So if we are about stealing, it was the Germans at the first place, for the sake of truth.

Just read a very true comment of oh_so_splenetic.

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[–] cdawson-14 16 years ago

What I read was that Philip Zimbardo did not care too much for the German reenactment of the actual experiment and that he is more interested in making sure that it is more to his expectations.

I don't think this is a rip-off. Zimbardo might see this as a "re-do".

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[–] Born_Dead 16 years ago

There was already a film titled The Stanford Prison Experiment which appeared not long after the original experiement took place. Das Experiemnt is neither a reworking of that film nor is it an accurate retelling of the Stanford Prison Experiment. Das Experiment was actually adapted from a german authros book titled Black Box and was a reimagining of the original SPE with certain aspects of it fabricated. In any case Das Experiemnet as great but I'm sure that this new film, since it is from America, the origin of the SPE, it should be more realism based.

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[–] pianostix 16 years ago

Um... it's not a rip off.
This film is based on an ACTUAL event that happened in 1971 in Stanford.

The German film you're talking about has some basis on the Stanford Prison Experiment, but the end of that movie was pretty much fabricated; and as I understand, "Das Experiment" is also based on a novel called "The Black Box."

I know that American movies rip off foreign movies quite a lot, but this one's just NOT one of those rip offs.

So, yeah. Get yo facts straight, people.

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[–] rjryan8812 15 years ago

agreed

it wasnt a rip-off, it was based on the Zimbardo experiment

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[–] p-m-boyer 15 years ago

The German film was the most diluted piece of crap I've ever seen. Granite, the acting was far above par, but whom ever wrote that script really screwed up. I mean, the real experiment was interesting enough to make a film out of, why would you have to stretch it and include murders?

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[–] scifi_luv 15 years ago

Okay. About "Das Experiment." I happen to have some inside infromation about that film because my former film prof at the University of Southern California, Don Bohlinger wrote it. He is an American screenwriter who, like many of us, was having a lot of trouble getting screenplays made in the States. I think the story was that a Germany company saw the movie he wrote "The Killing Time," liked it and hired him to write scripts for them which they would then translate into German. Although there are apparentlly many excellent film-makers in Germany there was a derth of proffessional screenwriters in the country at the time. "Das Experiment" was originally written in English and then translated into German. It was based on the Stanford Experiment. This was an experiment that occurred in the U.S. that was documented in a book and some documentaries were made about it. However, "Das Experiment" did relatively well for a foreign movie in the U.S. which is probably what prompted the US version of the film-- seeing that there was a market for the idea. But that last is just speculation on my part.
The USC connection is an interesting one because I know Bryan Singer who is associated with McQuarrie (they work on many projects together) was a former USC student and often appears at his old alma matter to do student talks and such. That said, I'm guessing he has some awareness of Bohlinger's film, because Bohlinger is a long time staff member there. If you ever have a chance to take one of Bohlinger's classes he is a really stand up guy and very nice. He used to take us out for beers sometimes after class:)

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