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my take on Kira and Lynn (spoiler alert)

posted 16 years ago by sandrarobertsonjoy
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I feel that Kira and Lynn were constructs of Keane's mind.

It seems really unlikely that a mother would leave her daughter in the care of a stranger who is clearly damaged. (I know it happens but she does seem to be a caring mother) for two days.

Kira is wearing the exact same outfit that Keane described his daughter was wearing when she disappeared.

When Keane strokes Kira's hair and says 'you're a good girl', he constructed an ideal little girl.

It's just my take but I really want to believe that Kira was real.

[–] universal21 16 years ago

well while i like your argument, if we argue that, then we could argure everything might be in his head, where do we draw the line?

[–] madamebrad 16 years ago

I think any piece of art (and, certainly, film fits that category) is open to interpretation.

However, one cannot take the purpose in which the film was meant out of context completely.

I think that the reason Kira and Lynn WERE real was to show how an otherwise sprialing out of control Keane could be almost "normal" when he had them to focus on.

An important part of this story is that Keane, underneath his mental illness, could emerge as a kind, sweet, thoughful and likeable man. And, that certainly was true when he had the mother and daughter around.

[–] robschmidt 16 years ago

Yes. In "Titanic," Leonardo DiCaprio fell out of a rowboat in a small pond. While he was drowning, he pretended he was on the famous ocean liner. The whole story was in his imagination. Prove that this DIDN'T happen if you can.

[–] LovetheBrits 16 years ago

Just my thoughts, but I did not think the mother and daughter were only in his mind. You bring up some good points, but I do not agree completely. Yes, it is telling that Kira is wearing the same outfit. However, you bring up the point of the mother leaving the girl in his care. As far as her contact with him, she really could not have a clue as to his depths of mental illness, he was fairly "together" around her. Also, it could be thought that she has had lapses of judgement at other times in her past, based on her current circumstances. The girl seems more together than the mother. When she is first introduced to William, she seems hesitant (I assumed because she is wary of strangers). The daughter seems to think things through the long-term much better than the mother. Everything is up to interpretation, but I thought they were real. One thing is definite -- Damian Lewis did an amazing job!

[–] LThomas72 16 years ago

It seems really unlikely that a mother would leave her daughter in the care of a stranger who is clearly damaged.
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I must admit that, as a mother of a little girl, I did find that one a bit of a stretch, but I did wonder if maybe she just felt that she got 'a feeling' about William. The way he interacted with Kira when she invited him to their room and the fact that, after lending her the $100 he didn't bother he again, proved that he was as good as his word and that he just wanted to help them out, and maybe that was enough for her to believe in him.

The thing I found interesting was that William himself seemed to find her judgment pretty poor in leaving her daughter with him, as if he wouldn't have trusted a man like him if the shoe had been on the other foot...so to speak!

[–] madamebrad 16 years ago

OP,
Don't forget that Lynn never saw anything that we saw in terms of Keane's slipping grip on reality. She only saw a sweet, reliable and introverted man at the time she decided to leave her child with him. And, the point is that she ISN'T really a caring mother.....she leaves her child far longer than she'd planned, scaring the child, for her own selfish reasons.

I think you might have missed some crucial points, here, but the mother and daughter were most certainly meant to be real.

[–] catlebrity 14 years ago

Kira is wearing the exact same outfit that Keane described his daughter was wearing when she disappeared.

It's similar, but not exactly the same. He says at the start that
Sophie had a dark blue backpack; Kira has a light blue one. He also says Sophie's jacket had a hood, and i don't think Kira's did. He also specifically mentions that Sophie had red hair.

[–] TylerDurden_ 11 years ago

Wow.. I thought what the OP said is kinda obvious, then I read peoples answers and almost all disagree..

So, you think it's a coincidence that Kira wears a purple jacket which HAS a hood (check the bus scene), jeans, and has a blue backpack?

I could accept someone's opinion saying something like "all those clothes etc are only in his imagination, they ain't real, the girl could be wearing a green jacket for all we know."

BUT :

The director & writer put those clothes on Kira for a reason. To send us a message. To tell us in a way which he didn't want to make obvious, that THERE IS NO KIRA. THERE IS NO LYNN. THERE IS NO SOPHIE. THERE IS ONLY SCHIZO.

Also, about the mother. She left her daugther alone 2 days with a man she met 1 day before that? Seriously? The same mother that we saw treating her daughter in a decent way in the hotel room, left her with a stranger who could be a child molester for all she knew, because as someone said "she had a good feeling for him" after talking knowing him for like 10 hours.

Another clue : Keane says somewhere before the end that married at 26 and got a divorce at 28.

Schizophrenia mostly appears in males, around 25. (fact)
Could also be the reason he broke up with his wife. (speculation)

Also, about what was said about Sophie and her having red hair above, if Kira had same hair, nose, eyes etc with Sophie, Keane would see exactly the same person again, not another girl. That doesn't mean anything.

[–] MadRotaryOne_DDCgod 10 years ago

Ya, OK mister-my-name-is-the-epitome-of-unreliable-narrators, lol.

I think you are giving too much thought into the movie, and unless
you have read it or have a director's commentary, how do you know that
the film makers are purposely trying to make it out that he is crazy?
and if they were they are just *beep* with the viewers to be dramatic,
but it only worked on the hapless viewer who was trying to be artsy.

sorry I don't see it. There is NOTHING to suggest that the mother
and daughter are in his head. and I just now stopped writing this
reply and watched back the bus scene like 6 times, what the girl
is wearing looks nothing like what he describes. and there is
NO HOOD.

they are real, he is a little messed up, understandably so, and everything
is fine now, That is all.....

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