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Relationship of Tobi and Leo


Towards the end, Leo looks at another guy before the race begins. Like another poster said, this threw me off... What does it mean? What does it signify?

Which leads into another question--the relationship between Tobi and Leo is quite ambiguous. Is it a fling, a first love, an unrequited love, or a replacement? It's obvious that both parties feel some level of connection and attraction to the other, but the true definition of what they share was never answered. Like the rest of the film, the writer obviously want this story to reflect real life and how everything is just gray. Ideally, I would like to think that Tobi and Leo will live happily ever after, but realistically, it might just be a first summer love that will hold a special place in their hearts.

Well...what are your thoughts?

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It wasn't even a first love.

I was just something they both needed/wanted. Tobi needed to confirm to him that he was gay and Leo wanted it because he liked Tobi, but Leo realised that Tobi was not emotionally there, so when he looks at the other guy at the end its just signifying that it was just something that happened, important, but not ever lasting.

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Hmmm, that's a good thought. I'd have to think about that...

Thanks.

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the guy that Leo looks as is another guy from Queerschlag who has had a crush on him (and made it obvious) throughout the movie. Leo hasn't reciprocated. I think the look exchanged between the two at the end has more to do with the other guy recognizing that he really doesn't have a chance with Leo, who is more interested in Tobi, and Leo being sort of apologetic about it, because they are friends.

that's my happy interpretation, anyway. I'm like you and was Leo and Tobi to live happily ever after. maybe they will.

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I would like to think that too... ^^ The hopeless romantic in me... However this film, which adds to much of its beauty, is a great portrayal of real life. So ideally, Happy Ever After!!! But realistically, summer 'fling' (I use that word loosely, I don't have a good word to describe what they have) that's bittersweet because it can never go anywhere...

^.~

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The guy he looks at towards the end isn't the guy who has a crush on him from Queerstrokes.

I think Leo is just a little hoe and looks/hits on guys at his will..

hehe but I loved Leo's character. Cuz he was kind of a savior for Tobi. It's a pretty heart wrenching story in my opinion and I found that the scenes between Achim and Tobi were particularly hard to watch because of the heartache of rejection.

It must feel like sheiBe.

Ich denke dieser film ist sehr ausgezeichnet! Ich mochte ein biscchen mehr dieser art filmen sehen! Hat jemand hier anderes film fur mich zu gesehen? bitte?

I want to see more films with that Leo Kid or Achim. They're wonderufl actors.

Oh and of course Tobi.

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I don't remember a guy haing a crush one Leo.. where do you see this guy?

-Nelson

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He's there-- and often obviously so. The problem is that he looks a lot like Leo, so it would be easy to confuse the longing of one with the longing of the other. In any case, he is in the camp scene in which Leo realizes that Tobi has overheard Malti crowing about the incipient seduction of Schorschi. Leo then goes in search of the confused Tobi and we get a glimpse of the third boy watching the departure. He is also in the scene on the pier near the lake, just before Tobi and Leo's intimate encounter. There are several other brief instances like this, in which we get a fleeting glimpse of the third boy and can guess at his interest in Leo, but there is little interaction between them.

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i guess leo just wanted tobi not to hide anymore. to encourage him to be who he is. kind of like..a guide.

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Exactly! Leo was a kind of catalyst but one who had a more-than-passing interest in Tobi. He wanted Tobi to recognize his gayness but without feeling threatened by it.

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Um i think you've a little confused. The guy that Leo looks at the end wasn't even in the competition. I think you've getting him mixed up with Oli, one of the other Queerstroke, who yes did have a thing for Leo and made it obvious (example: the evening row where Leo is laying into Oil's arms and when Oli gets in between Tobi and leo wiping Leo's chest). But that guy Leo looks at in the end was just symbol for Leo's relaziation that nothing could happen between him and Tobi.

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I find it interesting that Olli was the one who outted Tobi to his crew and coach and not someone like Malte, a guy who thrives on converting straights. I think that Olli outted him because of jealousy; When Leo is handing out the beers and sits next to Tobi, he knew that something was going on between Leo and Tobi. And i think that I agree with the others when Leo was a kind of guide.

His gaydar went off early and has been attracted to Tobi ever since. But I think he soon figured out that Tobi needed to sort out his feelings towards women, and Achim. I think during the sun tan session, Leo was taking a big risk in kissing Tobi, though he had a solid idea that he was gay, though not 100% sure. After awhile, you can tell that Tobi is kissing back and Leo has a slight smile on his face before they sit up. And even though he wants Tobi to not hide who he is anymore, he does tell him that he will keep their tryst a secret from the others though I find their scene near the end to be one of the more touching ones of the whole movie.

You may or may not have noticed that after Tobi admits his homosexuality to everyone, and a few times at the end, Leo has this sort of smile on his face towards Tobi, one of contentment because he was able to help a struggling young man. Perhaps he didn't have this kind of help during his coming out so atleast he was able to help out someone who he had strong feelings for. As for the guy at the end, who wouldn't take a second look at him? I think that because he is secure with his identity, he is able to flash a flirty smile back at another guy. Perhaps there will be Summer Storm II: The Reunion?

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I defenaitly can say everyobdy agrees Tobi and Leo should've stayed togeher. But i think if it stayed that way, then it wouln't be realistic at all (mind you that i was asking myself the same question the poster asked until reading everyone else's replies which made me realize the answer). After watching the end where Tobi walks off the bus, i thought about it and realized that they both live on other parts of Europe, so i wouldn't have worked out, although it's nice to think it could've. Basically, and everyone else who posted their thoughts nailed it, what happened between them was a fling and it kind of just needed to happen in order for everything that lead up to Tobi's acceptance of himself to happen. And Leo knew that what he did helped Tobi, but wouldn't last forever. A nice summer fling movie, but if i wrote the ending to this story there totally would be a happily ever after for them.

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There is no relationship between Tobi and Leo. They just met. They have an encounter. But Tobi is too proccupied with Achim to have any feelings for Leo.

Tobi's violence towards Leo shows how unhappy he is to be as he is: every gay person has to go through this. When Achim "outs" him and throws him out of his room, Tobi realises that he can't hide, that hiding only makes things worse.

Leo, who now ought to hate Tobi, nevertheless lovingly helps him through the night of heartache, so that in the morning he can be honest with everybody, and particularly gentle towards Anke.

They then go their separate ways, having learnt much about honesty and forgiveness.

The beauty of the character, 'Leo', is not only the beauty of the lovely actor who impersonates him (and he is a total babe) but also the character's ability to pay Tobi's ingratitude with real love: a lesson for all.

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I think Aulic has it pretty much right. The film shows guys dealing with their sexuality in different ways. Leo knows or suspects all along that Tobi is queer, and, while he is attracted to Tobi sexually, he acts out of compassion as much as passion. Leo (for whom this is not a first gay encounter)is presented from the beginning as taking an honest and altruistic approach to those around him.

He is the guy who pulls off his jacket to cover Ferdl. He's the one who finally cuts the crap and states that "queer" means "gay." He challenges Malte's sexual predation (which is really unacceptable even though we like Malte and feel that Schorsi deserves, and maybe even wants, it). When Schorsi runs screaming into the woods and Tobi sees Achim and Sandra making out, Hansi asks what's going on?, and Leo says "Heartache." Even when Tobi asks if being out gets easier, Leo has to be truthful, "I don't know. But if you keep hiding forever, one day you might lose yourself completely." Time and again when Tobi acts, the camera glances at Leo's face, and his expression tells us whether Tobi is moving in the right direction.

I think that Leo is smart and honest enough to understand that he and Tobi are not in love. In forgiving and comforting Tobi, he has committed an extraordinary act of love, and Tobi, in accepting it, has finally found himself. But Leo and Tobi are from different places and at different points in their respective searches. They have to go their separate ways. The exchange of looks on the dock tells us that Leo is ready to move on.

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Leftbanker, I agree with you down the line. I’m glad the screenwriter included this mature, positive young gay man in the story. As an American, sadly, I find these days that every conversation around sexual issues is saturated with bias, hysteria & sanctimony (as posts on movies like Brokeback Mountain and even The English Patient will attest). So I find a character like Leo, who can enjoy sex without drama, whose understanding transcends others’ cruelty, who acts out of compassion as much as passion, as you say, to be a welcome representation of a gay man—in fact, a good role model regardless of sexuality.

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I agree with rrb, leftbanker, and aulic. This is an exceptional movie about the unraveling of teen hormones in different directions. some may find "love everlasting", but most just find themselves in a summer fling. To me, "Summer Storm" means a quasi-violent coming out at a confusing young age. Leo is a babe alright and the character is a great role model for anyone his age. Tobi is too selfish, like many his age, and the more mature Achim is right to tell him that "everything is not about you". I enjoyed the movie which brought back memories for this 61 year old gay man!! Most of the posts are very good too---funny, sincere and sometimes even deep.

Big Panda Bear
San Francisco

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Excellent analysis!

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Thanks,jdburkitt, for adding to this thoughtful string of postings. I think people who found 'Sommersturm' worthwhile might also enjoy the French film "You'll Get Over It" (A Cause d'un Homme). There are some interesting parallels and contrasts (among the latter being a significant parent/sibling role in YGOI, something Sommersturm avoided). YGOI is somewhat less accessible - physically (it's not on Logo, but I paid about $25 for the dvd on Amazon and consider it well spent) and maybe emotionally. After a couple of viewings, it is right up there on my impact list.

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And the most admirable thing about Sommersturm is that it was made in that way: an adult movie that moves and interests young people precisely because it is intelligent and real.

I wish a DVD were issued of "Friends Forever" ("Venner for Altid") a beautiful 1987 Danish film on a similar vein.


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Aulic's suggestion and some other imdb postings persuaded me to try the two Danish films, Friends Forever and You Are Not Alone. Both are worth watching. But I'm writing this to ask if anyone else who saw You Are Not Alone got the feeling that Bo was a young version of Leo? Not just the physical resemblance, but the sensitivity in his approach to others. Or am I alone on this one?

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The sensitivity and the serenity.

It hadn't occurred to me, but you have a point.


Where did you get Friends Forever?






If the Kingdom of Heaven is like a grain of mustard, It can also be like a chicken-pox mark.

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Hi there sledgehammer -

Right on - both Bo and Leo had attained a level of serenity that still eludes me. That's surely one reason I found them so admirable.

To answer your question, I got the videotape used on Amazon, but there are posts on the imdb board for Friends Forever indicating that it is now out on dvd (via TLA Releasing). My videotape is a little screwy; so I might try to get the dvd, especially if I hear that it has any interesting special features.

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www.amazon.com/Friends-Forever-Stefan-Henszelman/dp/B000RW5CBS/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-9171887-7014211?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1192066713&sr=1-1




If the Kingdom of Heaven is like a grain of mustard, It can also be like a chicken-pox mark.

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Hi, what can i say, for sure Tobi's and Leo's relations will be only as a friendship and good memory of that nice summer camp and as a memory of beginning of new life for Tobi . If you remember when Tobi entered into the room in hostel at the morning after the storm, he was wearing Leo's training jacket - grey colour and the same jacket he was wearing during the arriving with the bus from the camp at the last moment of the movie....so what does it mean... is it again some hint or nothing special.. i took it as a hint that they parted as real friends and may be Leo left this jacket for Tobi as a memory of him....

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serriga - I've already had my say on the topic of Tobi and Leo, but wanted to thank you for your thoughts, particularly the bit about Tobi ending up with Leo's sweatshirt. I had missed that altogether - but I'm watching the scene right now on dvd and it sure looks like you're onto something. In all the earlier scenes, Tobi had a blackish jacket with white piping. But he comes to his "coming-out breakfast wearing Leo's gray, hooded sweatshirt, and he still has it when he gets off the bus at the very end.

An interesting point, and the sort of observation that keeps me coming back to the imdb boards. I think I'm so involved in watching the characters' expressions that I miss a lot of other important details.

So - thanks !!

"Nothing personal. Your name just happened to come up."

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Thanks for all, like we are , for whom this movie is very important (like for myself, after the movie I realise many things, and i wanna to chenge many things) , so only when emotions come down i can follow the small details ....
If someone will find something interesting let us know!!!

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