The message that Mr. Woodcock isn't quite the dick, that is.
I definitely didn't laugh watching this movie, because people abusive of children should not make anyone laugh.
Abuse of children is not funny. But I guess there's enough mildly psychopatic people around to make this movie a success?
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with a name like Mr. Woodcock, would you expect him to be anything other than a dick?
shareI kind of liked the message. I think we are raising kids today that are a little soft. Obviously it was overstated in the movie, throwing basketballs at children for example but I think we should teach our children to show a little more backbone.
sharei does show that you have to be a little tougher, and its a movie so don't look so much into it, its not supporting abusing children it shows it as a bad thing,but like i said its a movie enjoy it.
shareIf you ever played dodgeball in school as a 5th grader vs. 7th and 8th graders, then you would appreciate this movie! Kids today are wimps. They need a tough guy like this. If you can survive gym, you can survive life!
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Yet there seems to be a generation of morons who think this movie has any redeeming qualities.
shareIt wasn't a great movie but it had some funny parts. I remember in P.E. when we would play dodgeball .... man that was fun. the coach would just sit in the bleachers and lets us go. All the pussy kids got torn apart. Until they started crying to their parents and eventually we weren't allowed to play anymore.
We played with volleyballs, too!
Whatever happened to toughening up? Now you can be a pussy and the world conforms to you. It used to be you would just be left a pussy and ignored.
I don't know, maybe because being tough isn't the most important damn thing in the world, and people are evolving to the point where you can use your mind to get by in the world, and not have to waste time building muscles. But hey, what do I know, I'm just a pussy that should be ignored. Damn prick.
shareSee? Now your getting it! What the hell does not crying becuase you suck at something have to do with building big muscles? puss.
shareThere's a difference between playing dodgeball for fun and the way I saw it played where the older stronger kids would get a kick out of hurting younger kids.
THAT IS NOT TOUGHENING UP ANYONE, That is just plain bullying.
It has nothing to do with him being tough for their own good, he was abusive and should have been fired and probably done a little prison time and let him see what it's like when bubba decides it's YOU whose going to be the one getting pounded.
There is nothing wrong with a good P.E. class but beaning kids with a ball, throwing it at their stomachs and catching them off guard, and in effect hurting them, putting your foot on their backs and forcing them to do pushups is pure and simple child abuse and NOT "toughening up".
Horrible movie.
Terrible message as well. Scott's character should have taken him out to the woods and let all the kids he abused have at him for a few days. Beat him to a bloody pulp...he deserved it.
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I think you are right on the money, there is a difference between pushing children to be the best they can be and bullying them.
I have a story of my own.
When I was in high school, i had a band instructor that was very tough on us. She pushed us to be the best we could be but she never singled one musician out for abuse, she lectured and pushed all of us. I respected her for pushing us even though sometimes I did not want to hear her lectures.
Woodcock was just an anal retentive bully. I myself would have told him off as an adult and told him just what I thought of him.
You guys are pussies. You know what actual 'child abuse' is? Getting knocked around room to room by someone with a belt around their hand and whiskey on their breath. Not a gym teacher who threw *beep* balls at kids and showed them how to wrestle. I think the point of the story was, yeah the main character was wrong the whole time: You can't let go of the past because the past can come back, and then you're unprepared and will challenge your old gym teacher to a corn eating contest.
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That is a very simplistic and unfeeling view on criminal activity. Just because there are even more severe acts of child abuse doesn't mean that Mr. Woodcock's behavior can't be categorized as child abuse. That's like saying, someone who swindles people's money in 3-card monte isn't an "actual con-artist" like Bernie Madoff, or someone who murders one person isn't an "actual murderer" like Osama Bin Laden. With any crime there are varying degrees of severity and frequency.
Also, beating a student to a bloody pulp all over a wrestling mat isn't showing them how to wrestle.
^Well said. Woodcocks really exist, and they should not be around little kids. They should go back to their own *beep* abusive parents and solve the mommy/daddy issues they're transferring on the kids. SO many children having to suffer the frustrations of sad little ego tripping bitches like Woodcock, who really are dissatisfied with their pathetic little lives.
shareToughening up ?! I was quite the titanium-spined little guy, but getting hit point blank by a *beep* basketball had no part in building my character. Not everybody is a sick child S&M addict.
*beep* dodgeball. It's not even a sport. The dumbest piece of *beep* activity ever created for kids to "play".
Well, I think the movie has some pretty funny parts.
But anyway, I didn't like the message either. Mr. Woodcock should not be honored.
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There's enough people that think the military brutality of PE is good for people to make the ending more popular than the obvious ending that should have been. There are lots of fat-haters and people who think spanking is okay. Yawn. Dinosaurs.
I laughed because I thought the villain was going to really get it in the end -- but all he got was a butt kissing. Oh, he had to say a half-sorry and that makes him a sensitive enough man? Not.
Yeah, the message is all wrong. And not as funny as it might have been. Wincing at the sight of some "slapstick" physical abuse didn't do too much for me.
you are such a puss.
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Spanking is not good?
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It's horrible. From the start, the movie tried to lead us to hate the teacher as the famous writer did. And then, the movie told us the writer was wrong so we are all wrong. What a control freak.
shareIt was an entertaining movie and not so much should be read into it all. But I can't believe some people on here. I've never understood that phrase "tough love". I hate the idea in fact. Because it implies that other people have the right to abuse someone to get them to be like either themselves, or what they want them to be like. It's a bit like if I decided to go and shoot a harsh P.E. teacher with a G10 air pistol so I could teach them not to be such a dick. If I fired the shot and then cut a promo afterwards about the error of their ways, I'm sure that would work wouldn't it?
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I agree with the OP. Child abuse is *never* funny and should not be laughed at. Had these events taken place in real life, that guy would be fired and possibly also arraigned on charges of assault. What kind of sick people think beating up children "makes them tougher"?
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I didn't find it a good message at all. I wish Mr Woodcock got what's coming to him and was put down hard like the sadist he is and the Mom didn't marry him. Actually I liked NONE of the characters.
shareGood point. The ending of the movie made me forget all about that.
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