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the message is wrong coz...


the story is interesting, acting is good and so is direction. all in all a movie worth watching, but the message it carries is not wholly correct.
According to the film, girls are trafficked against their will, they are kept locked up all the time, have no access to outside world and are leading a horrible and wretched life.
well, nobody denies that there are cases of all these things happening, but it is very small number. the large majority of women, be they in Eastern Europe or South East Asia, get into the business knowing fully well what will happen. they are poor and it is poverty that forces them into this business but that does not mean somebody forces them or tricks them into it. secondly, their life is sad, but not horrible or wretched as is shown. and they have complete access to the outside world, otherwise how would they get the clients. i agree that some are forced and kept locked up but that is very small percentage.
by shouting and crying about their lives, it is organisations like the UN, amnesty etc, who profit by getting the funds, politicians get the political milage, newspapers and TV channels get readers/audiences, so it is a win-win situation for everyone. and the women? well, they are busy earning easy and good money!!

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Very small number? I don't think 700,000 annually [International Trafficking in Persons, Especially Women and Children The American Journal of International Law Vol. 95 No. 2 (2001)] is so small.
And Amnesty International a profit seeking organisation? Now you are just being stupid.
I am not sure if you were actually watching the movie, or just chose to ignore its content in your post, but the film shows that the money earned is by no means "easy" and the women are slaves to their pimps, who are the people that are cashing in.

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nobody is saying people are not trafficked, and some go through horrors to reach the US or Europe, but how many are forced? thats the point. amnesty international and HRW are great organisations and i would love to work with them, they wont hire me, but thats another matter. what i said was they profit, profit can be monetary or non-monetary, by continously saying that these women are forced into the trade. well, i have worked with women from Central Asia who are in this trade and have even seen them working in other countries so i have a fair idea, although im no expert. i can go on and on about their life, but this isnt the place. suffice to say most chose this profession, 50 percent is kept by the pimp who looks after them in every way, and nearly all of them do not want to leave the profession. lastly, about their being slave....that happens in very few cases, believe me.

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Are you going to make the same argument for trafficked children? Because, come on. *sarcasm* Children love to go new places and like you say, their pimps are so nice to them. Oh and their customers raping them!

Where did you even come up with that? It's completely absurd.

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Where exactly have you gotten your information? I'm just curious.

I do know that here in New Jersey several people were just arrested for doing EXACTLY what you are saying doesn't happen. The women were brought over to this country and forced to work as strippers and prostitues to pay for their "new life".
It's not just here, it's all over. I've seen pictures on news programs of armed guards walking the halls of Thai whorehouses to be sure that none of the women or children working there escape.

If you think that pimps do ANYTHING that can even be remotely construed as taking care of the women who earn their money you are, at best, ill-informed.

Would you please explain how the people who attempt to end this sort of thing are profiting from this misery?

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Firstly, I have not said that pimps take care of these girls. all i have said that these girls earn good money without much work, well how much they have to work depends how good looking they are.

Secondly, here I was not talking about children, that is a different field with its own reasons and causes.
About how organisations working to help these women are profitting? Well, the big organisations receive huge funding in the name of helping these women and you tell me how much difference they have made. The topic is too big and complicated to discuss here plus each country has its own specific problems and specific methods to deal with them.

For example, I visited Thailand last year and went to Phuket, where the night life is legendry, and although the girls there come from countryside, they hardly seem to regret the move. I am not saying exploitation is not there, but it is not as widespread as people make it out.

Girls are tricked into the trade, they are raped and beaten, all that happens, but if it is as bad people think, why dont they leave it after three years, five years or even 10 years? The answer is not that they do not have any option, but because they have got to the easy life. I know many will not agree with me, but that is the case in nearly all of the cases.

Lastly, if you are saying they are kept locked up with no contact with the oustide world, how many men will have se x with a woman who is kept locked up? Apart from the perverted ones, not many men will go to such a girl.

And why cant the girls tell the customer that she has been kept by force or that she needs to call her family or that he should contact police or anybody to help her.
At least that is how I feel.

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Sarah, sorry for having to say this, but you're either naive or simpleminded. Do you actually think that if a girl who's held against her will in a brothel somewhere in Kosovo tells one of the dozens of UN soldiers stationed there who come to fu_ck her every night to get her out of there, he'll go to the authorities? No. You know why? Because nobody cares. And even if he were to care, he wouldn't have anybody to go to, because the authorities already know about the situation and are getting a cut from the trade. There have been cases in Kosovo where girls have been murdered in complicity with the local authorities because they were endangering the business, as well as cases of girls being rescued by UN personnel IN SPITE of the local authorities'.

And this: "Lastly, if you are saying they are kept locked up with no contact with the oustide world, how many men will have se x with a woman who is kept locked up? Apart from the perverted ones, not many men will go to such a girl."

She's a PROSTITUTE. That's how a man - any man - sees her. Prostitutes are like objects, they're not human beings for their clients. Have you ever taken the time to see how men perceive women and prostitutes? They're like two different breeds in their heads. So please, don't give me that "perverted" bullsh!t, okay?

Who has two thumbs and doesn't give a crap? Bob Kelso.

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ok while i dont disagree with you, im gonna have to say something about this:

"She's a PROSTITUTE. That's how a man - any man - sees her. Prostitutes are like objects, they're not human beings for their clients. Have you ever taken the time to see how men perceive women and prostitutes? They're like two different breeds in their heads."

not everyone is a self involved *beep* personally i dont see people as OBJECTS regardless of what they do. please dont assume ALL men are like this, youre just making yourself look stupid. use the word most instead.

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I think you need to reconsider your definition of "choice". Being so poor and left with so few options that prostitution with the risk of assault, rape, robbery, and blackmail sounds good, doesn't sound like much of a "choice" to me, and I'd doubt if it did to you, either. When one says these women are forced into this work, they mean that they are forced by circumstance. It isn't necessarily saying that they're literally dragged around with guns to their heads and locked up in bare rooms when not working. While that does happen, like you say, in rare circumstances, it's more the fact that their lives are such that prostitution seems a viable option to make money.
As to your question of why these women don't leave after so many years - well, it's simple. They're not making enough money to get themselves back on their feet. They make just enough to get by. It isn't "good pay", like you say. If it were, then these women WOULD leave. Unless, as is probable, their confidence and self-worth have been so badly damaged that they feel they have no other choice but to continue on. In many cases, the women are threatened if they hint at a desire to leave, so in that way they are "forced".
Why can't she tell the guy who is paying to have sex with a girl 10-40 years his junior that she's being held against her will? Because he wouldn't CARE? Because if he tried to help her out he would be incriminating himself? People aren't proud to go to prostitutes, so obviously they don't want it getting out that they do. Not to mention the fact that these men must have incredibly low intelligence levels, or else no sense of morality, to subject these women to his will in the first place. What their customers are saying when they pay for their services is, "You deserve this. This and nothing more." Will that kind of person care about his "product"?

I think you are TERRIBLY oversimplifying this issue and you're not completely understanding what the series was trying to get across. Maybe try giving it another go, or doing some independent research. You'll see it's not the "good life" you're suggesting it is.

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maybe you guys have a point, maybe the picture isnt as rosy as i think. i will try to find out more about this issue. thanks.

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the women aren t earning money, the pimps are. and don t think that these women agree to be prostitutes. maybe some of them, but not many. this is what this movie is about: "sex traffic". the women are tricked to get out of the country, by telling them that they are leaving to be dancers, field workers, even babysitters. that s what they think when they leave home. but then their passports are taken, and they are sold, just after crossing the border. what you saw in this movie is true.
and trust me, i know, because there are many cases like this in my country, and you should understand that the only fault these girls have is being too naive. they usually are from the countryside, or they usually don t have families, and are easier to trick.

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Well, the message IS wrong. Just not for your reasons!
How ever few or many cases of forced prostitution there are, are simply too much. And even if the girls are later not prepared to change their life, whatever does that say about them being abused like that in the first place???

The real problem I have with this movie is that it's way too romantic. I mean before being forced into prostitution, the girl has a difficult but nowhere horrible life. The only reason she gets into this position is the stupidity of her sister and her own urge to protect same sister. I just could not believe they actually dared to devise a happy ending for this film!?!? But here it is. Everything turns out the better, the girls get's to kiss a guy for affection -even love?-, the 'stupid and bad' sister does something right, the bad officers get prosecuted and even the filthy security organization is rehabilitated for the most part. YAK!

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I recommend everybody who saw this to see the movie "Lilja 4-ever" by Lukas Moodysson.
It's based on a true story about a eastern-european girl that was "imported" to Sweden where she was held hostage in an apartment and forced to prostitution. She was one of several girls managed by the pimp. It ended up with her killing herself and that's how her story got known.
Prostitution in Sweden is low compared to most other *beep* so if that happens here, I'm sure it happens (probably more frequently) in other countries as well.

The movie has garnered a lot of attention and police officers all over Europe dealing with this matter watch it for educational purposes. I'd say it's way better than "Sex Traffic" (even though it was OK).

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It seems to be you who has missed the point.
This film is exactly about those "minority" (which, by the way, they most certainly are not), who are kept locked away with no access to the world.

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What a bunch of crap. "Oh, they are not held against their will, oh, and they sure earn a <decent living>, oh, it's a <minority>". One tip for you, sarah, think thoroughly before stating something. Do you think you can manage that, dear? I come from a South-Eastern country in Europe, pumpkin, which is the first prize for international pimps. Let me tell you a story: after the big bad Wall of Berlin fell and all the communist satelites were freed, people in South-Eastern Europe faced incredible poverty during the first 10 years of transition, mainly in the rural, less educated areas. Now, every girl's dream was (and unfortunately still is) to move to a Western country and work there so they would be able to send money to her family back home. And the hideous thing about this matter is that pimps do their work of persuasion in a real smooth, organized and decently looking manner, for example by bringing forged documented evidence under the claims of being part of a perfectly civilized and moral (phantom) international recruitment organization. But often, the trick has also an emotional stake: there are many cases of men working for these networks and selling their girlfriends to them. Once arrived in their "adoptive" countries, they are held hostages, brutally beaten and raped, so they would get used to the situation and become emotionally and psychologically apathetic and not try to escape. Not to mention there are also "banal" cases when women are just abducted on the streets and so on and on and on. So, sugar, cut this s**t and do some research first!!!!

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Well said! I come from eastern Europe too, after the Soviet collapse there were some "organizations" who promised young women a better life in some western countries. I think it got really bad, because some institutions started a campaign "don't be a doll, don't believe everything they say" or smth. Today i don't here that much about trafficking, but the situation and the standard of living is much better, even though there are many who still move to wetern Europe for more money, but mostly legal. The countries that are very poor today, do have this problem with human trafficking and it is one of the most profitable ilegal businesses.
What i can't understand is the cruelty of these people who are working in this business or who can enjoy having sex with these women. Damned, if there was no demand, there would be no offer, and who creates this demand?
Talking about this movie, i think it was really good. I do agree a little with the person who wrote, that the ending was too happy, but all in all the situation was well portrayed.



Listen to many, speak to a few

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sarahllsjones ...YOU ARE A VERY SICK PERSON!!!!

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Care to elaborate why I am not only a sick but a very sick person?

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...yeah id like to hear this also, uneducated maybe, but sick? do explain.

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No its not small its bigger than what we see.


"data "estimated 600,000 to 820,000 men, women, and children [are] trafficked across international borders each year, approximately 80 percent are women and girls and up to 50 percent are minors. The data also illustrate that the majority of transnational victims are trafficked into commercial sexual exploitation."[11] Due to the illegal nature of trafficking and differences in methodology, the exact extent is unknown."


It was one of the biggest second higest crime. and you're telling me it small wtf are you on crack?

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Hi all,

Just to explain, I am a freelance writer. I write for various things, this does include non-fiction, fiction & real-life situations. I was paid to research human traffic around the world from USA to south Africa, eastern Europe to Asia and reported back after two years researching. I actually watched this film whilst in the US and have a few opinions referencing to real-life trafficking.

Firstly, whoever called Sarah sick is way off - she is not sick, far from. Unfortunately, I don't mean to offend Sarah, you are extremely naive. Whilst in Croatia, I met and spoke to a Young girl, she did not give me her name. She is a half English, half Icelandic girl who bought a lie from a Romanian pimp. He told her that she could come over to Croatia to work as an Artist as she had a passion for it. She had no official family, she was adopted. He paid for for ticket over to Croatia and when she got there, she was taken to a house in the middle of nowhere where she and another were raped and beaten by 5 men. They took her passport and threatened her life every time she resisted. She was 15, 16 maybe 17 now. The girl was nervous, scared and extremely jumpy and to look at her brought tears to my eyes. She was skinny, pale and done up to the eyeballs with make up. She, at the time i spoke with her, was taking up to 20 'clients'....A DAY! If you think I'm full of it, I'd say i don't blame you. Believe me when i say the sincerity of this situation is despicable and disgusting. The accommodation these girls stayed in was beyond disturbing, given only the bare essentials to survive.

Someone on this blog asked 'who would have sex with these girls knowing all they know'. Let me tell you from first hand experience, politicians, doctors, milkmen, directors, salesmen, policemen! And I'd have taken evidence of the terrifying fact of the local and national police-forces (including military) using the system to both profit and abuse of the girls. Although through fear of my own families life's i couldn't! All those who are supposed to be the ones who are supposed to be protecting and stopping this type of thing. I spoke to a (biggest air quote is the world) 'MAN' at a bar in the place where i met the above mentioned girl, he said and i quote 'It's much better to pay for a slave than it is a proper whore, so much more satisfying'. I was forced to humour him or it'd have given away my true reason for being there but what a thing to say! It made me think of the type of people that visit these places and what it says about them as a person. This world will NEVER get better with people like that in it. He was around 50, American (not that matters but hey) he was bold, arrogant and rude, not to mention having absolute no morals what-so-ever! The girl that lead him to a room looked around 19..need i say more.

Getting more back to the point, human trafficking is much more widespread than you think. Worse in Asian countries than say USA but still an epidemic plaguing human kind. The things these girls, children, women AND men go through are unbelievable. Beaten regularly to show who is boss. Most are used between 10-30 times a day, all unprotected and each time a fresh violation of there freedom. Every time they are used, a fresh chip of dignity and self confidence is edged away. This is something not really ex pained in Sex Traffic, it shows the brutal-ness of it but not the fact that the odd raping is infrequent, all day, every day is the fact. If they catch diseases, they are discarded, either through manipulation of another pimp (i.e sold of without the other pimp knowing) or simply murdered and thrown into the river/sea/buried. Don't believe me? What would you do with a sixteen year old girl with aids if you was an human trafficker? Risk your monthly million plus earnings? No, you'd kill them and dispose of them. If your sick enough to sell and buy people, rape beat and God knows what else, you'd be sick enough to kill and if your not - someone who works for you would be.

In regards to what someone said about the girls volunteering for this is beyond non-sense. After 2 years researching, I have heard that people do volunteer, but its the same promises and deception as a girl wanting to travel to become a waitress. These people are usually from very poor countries and want to make quick and easy money believing they can return home at any point, this is the deception. The pimps promise them that they will make alot of money and will not be treated badly and that they can choose there own clients. When they get there, there processions are seized, there families threatened for the guarantee of sex whenever the pimp says and whoever he says with. There is no freedom in human trafficking, otherwise it would be prostitution. I have been to many countries in and around Croatia and seen many disturbing things, most of which i wish i had not seen. When i returned home from Bosnia after my 2 years out in the field, i collapsed in my wife's arms and cried. How can this world be so messed up that a human being can treat another like that?

One last thing, there is a blog on this film headed 'any nudity in this film?'. Dude, its men like you that is causing the problem! Men like you that get a kick out of beaten and raping a young boy. Men that violate young women. Men that care more about there own desires than someone whose freedom is non existent. Who are beaten and raped regularly. Slavery is the biggest abomination humans have made.

Thanks for listening

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Danhuntley, I agree with you that many women and girls are abused, tortured and forced to work in this industry, but I would still say that some, if not many, do join this profession without being coerced into. I have met some who took up this work because of their financial situation and not because they were abducted or forced into. While we all should try to protect these women, we should also remember that all of them have different circumstances and stories - so one discription or solution would not fit them all.

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