This movie was fairly good,I would have 2 say a combination of ringu,final destination, and a very little bit of butterfly effect...1nce again very little of butterfly effect.the only thing I'm stumped about is what happened in the end? I'm so confused.please if any1 has any type of explanation submit it...thanks
shareI think Hideki was allowed a chance to change the past (cuz he changed the future?), so he sacrificed his life to save his daughter's (even though he could've saved all of their lives by just moving the stupid car...) and then I think his daughter became one of those people who get the newspaper of terror...or whatever it's called.
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Dude, sentences please D:
Since he finally understood that he makes his own fate and since in that weird dream sequence he heard that the people who were dead were destined to die, he just switched who would die in that accident to himself instead of his daughter. Of course the other part of the cycle was that someone else would have to continue on as the "newspaper of terror" oracle, so with [Hideki] Satomi dead, someone would have to take over, and thus Nana sees the newspaper clipping announcing her father's demise to show us that it has been passed to her.
Two questions;
1, already mentioned: instead of fumbling with the car seat, why not get behind the wheel and move the car?
-because it was fate that one of them was meant to die there, then. When Hideki went through his dream sequence with the alterations here and there, it played out in every possible way- he saves his daughter, but his wife gets plowed over (on the other side of the road), then he's in the truck driver's rig and still runs into his daughter, ect. So there was no way around someone dying in that instance, even if the car was moved. (Though, yeah, until I thought about it, I kept yelling at the screen, "MOVE THE DAMN CAR!")
2, Hideki was already dying...
When he saved Ayaka he threw the order off. He tried to reverse the curse by forwarning future victims thus causing him to develop the same sores (that looked like newspaper ink!) as the male psychic did. He had a limited time to live anyway even before he sacrificed himself in the car accident. He wouldn't have been able to refrain from warning the future victims, (which makes him turn into that brittle black stuff), and the alternative was ending up like that boy in the psychiatric hospital- compulsively writing down the premonitions as they came. So, to free himself of this burden/icky fate, he allowed himself to be killed by the truck. However he didn't take into account that the "newspaper of terror" phenom would have to be passed to someone else- and that his daughter eventually would have endure everything he went through.
I have a question. If Nana wishes she could go back to that day when she was 5 and her father died and stop him from dying, would that reverse all of the work Hideki did?
shareHahahaha........I was thinking the same thing when I saw the movie. "Move the damn car!!!"
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I did not interpret the movie to have any time traveling at all. When we see Hideki back at the phone booth, prior to the accident, at the *end* of the movie, I interpreted that to mean that the whole movie was one big series of premonitions.
This may be a little hard for me to explain. Basically, the whole part about him and his wife being divorced and him seeing the news about the death of 5 students, etc (basically the bulk of the movie), was him "predicting" the future.
This is MY take on the movie. Hideki was *supposed* to be the one that died in the crashed. How the movie ended is how the event was *supposed* to happen, however he saw a premonition of his daughter being killed which, it turns, out is the *wrong* thing that is supposed to happen, but he does not know and acts on it. *Because* he acts on what he saw, that event comes true (he lives but daughter dies) and therfore the prediction WAS true in a paradoxal sort of way. Because that was the wrong event that was supposed to happen, he imagines what events he COULD do to set things straight. Hence he tries to save himself and daughter, but wife dies, he tries something else and they all die, etc.
It is not until that he realize that HE must die (which is why there was the deal with HIS picture in the obiturary), that he does so and realizes that that was the correct event. The psychic had a vision of HIS picture in an obiturary because the "future" psychic was seeing a vision of what was *supposed* to really happen (ie. the father being the one that dies).
So, the story itself did not go past the car crash. The rest of the movie was Hideki having premonitions of the events that *could* unfold and eventually choosing the one that is "right". Sort of like Jacobs Ladder, if anyone saw that movie. I hope that was not too confusing :)
I agree with you. Yup, very much like Jacob's Ladder.
And it makes much more sense that way.
=== I did not interpret the movie to have any time traveling at all. When we see Hideki back at the phone booth, prior to the accident, at the *end* of the movie, I interpreted that to mean that the whole movie was one big series of premonitions.
This may be a little hard for me to explain. Basically, the whole part about him and his wife being divorced and him seeing the news about the death of 5 students, etc (basically the bulk of the movie), was him "predicting" the future.
This is MY take on the movie. Hideki was *supposed* to be the one that died in the crashed. How the movie ended is how the event was *supposed* to happen, however he saw a premonition of his daughter being killed which, it turns, out is the *wrong* thing that is supposed to happen, but he does not know and acts on it. *Because* he acts on what he saw, that event comes true (he lives but daughter dies) and therfore the prediction WAS true in a paradoxal sort of way. Because that was the wrong event that was supposed to happen, he imagines what events he COULD do to set things straight. Hence he tries to save himself and daughter, but wife dies, he tries something else and they all die, etc.
It is not until that he realize that HE must die (which is why there was the deal with HIS picture in the obiturary), that he does so and realizes that that was the correct event. The psychic had a vision of HIS picture in an obiturary because the "future" psychic was seeing a vision of what was *supposed* to really happen (ie. the father being the one that dies).
So, the story itself did not go past the car crash. The rest of the movie was Hideki having premonitions of the events that *could* unfold and eventually choosing the one that is "right". Sort of like Jacobs Ladder, if anyone saw that movie. I hope that was not too confusing ===
Very good interpretation. Worth a look.
Let's discard the former interpretation for a moment to imply that events in the film "exist" in the order they are given.
From this viewpoint Hideki is physically dead- the videotape man clarifies this.
Now the question is what exactly is the state of being of his spirit\mind(neither hell nor paradise)? And how do we relate to this and also understand those possible scenarios? If these scenarios REALLY take place then I should come up with the idea that there exist multiple variants of anything in the world(any action, to be precise; better, any action that bears importance), i.e. of anyone's life. So all those possibilities for his life which he saw really took place in different realities of our world.
OR---this might be the work of his mind, that mind of his that exists neither in the physical world nor in paradise nor in hell, i.e. we have here a very special state of being of a mind. From this point Hideki saw this possibilities in his mind only but they never took place in the physical reality. They took place in his mind and as such bear importance for him as a distinct being. See LOST THINGS for detail.
PS. Can't truly say if the above is fully logical or actually conceivable)))
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woah, that's a great idea on the film. I like that, very convincing view of the story! :)
I really think I need to watch Jacob's Ladder again :S When I saw it I thought it was amazing, but I really can't remember it being anything like this haha!
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After all it IS called Premonition...Your idea has a lot to recomend it.
But the films does shift points of view between Hideki and his wife.
'He who takes things out of the Earth invites disaster'..Hopi saying
The ending sort of reminded me of one of the X-Files episodes from the sixth season, "Monday".
share Basicly one of the three people in the car were doomed. The man got the paper, and he had to decide if he was willing to condem himself to a horrific death to save his family from the same fate. He did, very noble.
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The 'Move the damn car' setup is kinda sound...still, the way the movie rolls I get a funny feeling if he'd moved the car something equally doom laden woulda happened like a plane falling out of the sky on it. Anyway, the point of the ending block is that whatever brought the newspaper into his world won't let him escape it without SOME kind of loss, and he eventually figures he can only break the cycle by letting himself go up with the car. I liked this film but the ending was pretty stupid. It got a bit Monty Python toward the end, what with that awful digital effect where the wife gets hit and all. Great film, kinda stupid ending.
shareThe way I get it, he understood he is allowed to change the past, but the catch is someone HAS to die. First Nana, then when he saves her his wife dies, when he saves his wife her friend dies in the train accident. So he does the most courageous thing: he sacrifices himself, so that his family lives.
No, lieutenant, your men are already dead.
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When he saves his wife from the train, 101 people were to die. He reads her name from a list in the paper. He saves his wife, and only 100 people die... Her 'friend' they did not know before the day. Just a stranger who made a fleeting contact with two strangers before the doors closed... She did not die instead of his wife. He had messed up the paper of terror (because only 100 people died) and thus he got the black spots on his arm... He was doomed.
shareShe wasn't a stranger, she was Ayaka's assistant.
Thank you for the information about the girl on the train being Ayaka's assistant. For some reason I didn't connect the two. Maybe because they seemed like strangers on the train platform. They really didn't seem too friendly, but it was out of place for her to ask "Anything wrong?" when Ayaka looked for her phone... Now I have a reason to watch the movie again.
shareThe entire point of the very end where we see Hideki's face in the obituary/newspaper, was to show that it was he who was destined to die in the first place. The guy who posted earlier basically got it spot on. Everything that happened in the movie past the initial car crash was a giant 'what-if' until he fixed it in the end.
shareHere is a belated reply that comes seven years later.
Hideki knowing that he could alter the future by saving someone's life
finds out in the end that he could save his daughter's life by sacrificing his
own life instead.
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Answer: To get away from Col.Sanders.
H.L.