Who in the world were those guys in the suits?
Was the movie saying that it was the right wingers who blew up the Bologna train station?
Was the head cop the kid who was injured in the opening scene and did not flee the house when the cops arrived?
Plotspoiler alert: Why did the guy blow up Ice's girlfriend?
Okay
I've seen this film quite a while ago but i'm gonna try answer your questions.
Beware of plotspoilers!
I'm guessing Ice is Freddo (Kim Rossi Stuart)
So the "guy" killed Freddo's girlfriend to get revenge for his dead brother.Remember, Freddo killed him on the beach, and his older brother never got over it, always wanted to kill Freddo for this. This actually kind of started Freddo's fall from being the Head of the gang.
The kid who was injured in the opening scene died when the others ran away.
In the end, when they're all dead, you can see the four of them running together on the beach, meaning they're together again: they're all dead.
The movie says the man Freddo finds in Bologna was responsible for the train station explosion. Meaning the person who did that was connected to them, it could as well be one of them. The fact is that no one still knows who did it.
I don't remember who the men in suits were....:(
I hope I helped...it's been a while. See it in Italian, so much better!
"So the "guy" killed Freddo's girlfriend to get revenge for his dead brother.Remember, Freddo killed him on the beach, and his older brother never got over it, always wanted to kill Freddo for this".
So he was the brother of the guy who was embezzling from them?
I prefer Imaginality to reality.
In the end, when they're all dead, you can see the four of them running together on the beach, meaning they're together again: they're all dead.
Beware of plotspoilers!
Two fascist terrorists were condemned for Bologna slaughter. Actually they have admitted several crimes but claim not to be guilty for that one. So it is true that still today we don't know who did that. What is known for sure is that Italian Intelligence Service did their best not to let the police find the truth.
It is true that this Magliana Gang seems to be somehow connected to other fundamental events (i.e., Pope John Paul II attempted assasination) and groups (the masonic lodge P2, which was preparing a coup and had deep connections in the military, financial and political world). How comes, for instance, that this gang had its guns (or part at least) in the basement of the Health Ministry building in Rome?
The people in suits are then part of the intelligence, who were trying to protect Italy from the "Red Danger" making attacks and assassinations supposed to look as due to the Red Brigades or other communist terrorists. So there were attacks due to communists, to fascists and to the intelligence, the so called State Slaughters.
Nothing is quite clear about those years. We just know that some people were condemned, some of them wrongly, and some others are living in Japan with a new name and citizenship and may not be brought to Italy in front of a court because of Japanese laws.
I did not know about the people living in Japan with a new identity! Who are (rather, who were) they?
I guess you (bonivaglia) must be Italian (as you write "we") so am I, and I totally agree with what you posted.
Seems that Italian Intelligence can't do anything but protect us, especially from Communists... killing innocents (The Bologna Station, the Italicus Train, Ustica...), journalists (Ilaria Alpi) and even statespeople (Aldo Moro)and often teaming up with gangsters, Mafiosi and other nice fellows...
For those who wish to know more about some of the Italian Mysteries, I recommend "Il Caso Moro" (the one with Gian Maria Volontè, as Marco Bellocchio's "Buongiorno Notte" is more a psychological movie than one about the Moro murder. It IS a good movie, anyway), and also "Piazza delle Cinque Lune" (again on Moro, starring Donald Sutherland as an Italian Judge. It's more fictional than "il caso Moro", but it's interesting), "Il Muro di Gomma" (about Ustica) and "Ilaria Alpi: il più crudele dei giorni"
I dunno if these movies have been dubbed or subtitled, so I provided the Italian titles. I'll post the US or foreign title if I can find them
Please note there are SPOILERS. I watched the film last night in London (England) but I am Italian. I thought the end scene was a coup de scene and meant that Andrea had not really died but had somehow survived and gone on to influential political appointment, hence while the gang thought they were going from strength to strength, in reality they were being manoeuvered from the powers that be, who then decide to eliminate them. I thought the man from Cremona was the politician's henchman. However one of our party believed (as said in another post) that the final scene was symbolic, they were free because they were dead. But I am not sure what they were free from. A good book to read: The dark heart of Italy by Tobias Jones, published in England by Faber in 2003, with information on Italy in the 1970s and since.
shareIMHO,the final scene where all the kids are running on the beach is suppossed to show that if the coppers wouldn't have arrested them in the first place,their life would have been a completely different one...it leaves hope for something better.
shareI agree that the people in suits (I assume we' re talking about the older guy and the bold guy with the glasses) are Intelligence of some sort. I'm not sure of the role of the police commissionar or the others in this. I was also left a bit confused.
shareI also second the book by Tobias Jones's "The dark side of Italy". Also, another film about terrorist connections in 1970s Italy worth watching is "la mia generazione", my generation.
shareTo understand who the guys in suits might be, read :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due
"Propaganda due was an irregular or "black" Masonic lodge which operated in Italy from 1877-1981. P2 was implicated in numerous Italian crimes and mysteries, including (...) the murders of (...) Prime Minister Aldo Moro.
It was sometimes referred to as a "state within a state"[1] or a "shadow government. (...)
It has also been suspected that P2 was involved in the 1980 Bologna massacre as part of the strategia della tensione followed by "stay-behind" secret NATO clandestine structure Gladio"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
"Gladio (...) is a code name denoting the clandestine "stay-behind" operation in Italy after World War II, intended to counter a Warsaw Pact invasion of Western Europe. [1]
The role of the CIA and NATO in sponsoring Gladio, the extent of its activities during the Cold War era, and its relationship to stay-behind operations in other European countries is the subject of ongoing debate and investigation. Italy (...) have had parliamentary inquiries into the matter. [2]"
I assumed the state (or shadowy elements within its aparatus) used the gangsters, just as they did extremists, to carry out the Bologna train station bombing with a view to shifting popular support away from, and justify a crackdown against, the Communists - who were at first blamed. I think.
(Spoiler alert) My Question is why did Ice get out of prison, remain miserable once in France (okay maybe cos it was because he was dying), re-break the love of his life's heart - and endanger her so irresponsibly (they killed her to exact revenge on him, no? Because he killed the fat guy with long hair for re-cutting the heroin. The thing is, and this is one of the many flaws with this film, we don't know (or are made to care) for the many hoods despite the overlong nature of the film.
i watched the film in french and while my french is good found it hard to follow at times, i wonder if anyone could clear something up for me;
was the assistant police chief not bribed by the gang in some way? It seemed there were no repurcussions for this in the film despite the fact seemingly everyone who had crossed someone got their comeuppance....any thoughts?
great film!!
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