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Senseless Cow Murder


In the "making of..." feature in the DVD, there is a scene at the horseshoe where the crew is making the cows stampede by shooting guns (blanks, I assume) and chasing them with firecrackers. One cow trips, falls on his head and flips over so that his head is twisted back. After a few seconds he stops moving and someone runs over. Then the scene changes.
This scene is giving me nightmares. I don't see how the cow could have survived that fall. He had to have broken his neck and died. What a horrible, meaningless murder of an innocent animal! Its like a snuff film. What, the crew didn't care about the safety of the animals they were filming???? They just made them stampede and to hell with what happened??? In America, if you have animals in a movie, there is usually a note after the credits to the effect "no animals were harmed in the making of this film." Did anybody see that in this film? I didn't. There was co much CGI in this movie they didn't need many cows in the first place and they didn't really need them to run.
I enjoyed the movie a lot, but when I saw this horrible crime my entire feeling changed and I'm very very upset. Don't tell me "go eat a hamberger" because I'm a vegan and avoid leather and all animal products.
If indeed this poor animal was murdered, the least they could have done would have been to have a note at the end "This movie is dedicated to somebody the cow, 1999-2006" or whatever. And maybe have the sensitivity to not show the murder in the "making of..." with no explaination as to the outcome of this incident.

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What?!??! They really used real live cows?!! But it looked like CG ones in the movie.... omgosh!! What! That's terrible!!

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It's a cow man... they're delicious!! I'm sure they butchered the yummy animal and his life then wasn't wasted.

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I disagree. The film company should have assured the safety of animals used in the film, edible or not.

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I'm sure they have different animal rights laws in China. Apocalypse Now was shot in the Phillipines and we all know what Coppola did to that poor buffalo. Either way it's no big deal to me, cows are slaughtered daily to feed the masses, why should this incident upset anybody?

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I'm sorry but I'm ignorant about Coppola's buffalo. He should be called to account for any harm he did to the buffalo.
For the past few decades in American film making, animals rights in films have been protected to some extent. A film maker cannot use wires to trip and maim horses in westerns, for example. If Chinese film makers intend to make a profit from having their movies available for American audiences, they should have to adhere to the same laws guarding animal rights as do American film makers.
Your argument, "cows are slaughtered daily to feed the masses" is begging the question. Not only have the methods of slaughter been made more humane, but cows are not food. Cows are animals. It's their planet, too.

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In America animals are protected by the Cinematographic Films (Animals) Act of 1973.

http://www.sbbfc.co.uk/student_guide_legislation2.asp

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"If Chinese film makers intend to make a profit from having their movies available for American audiences, they should have to adhere to the same laws guarding animal rights as do American film makers."

i don't disagree with you but i don't believe chinese film makers depend on profits from outside their country as much as we may think they do. from what i can tell, chinese film makers cannot count on having their work shown inside china, never mind the rest of the world with all the censorship their work has to go through. chinese movies would probably do just fine, actually, without american interest.

what do you think?

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It doesn't matter if their main profit is domestic or international. The point is that animals shouldn't be abused, harmed or murdered by filmmakers.
Unbelievably, Americans in the 1970's were somehow enlightened enough to demand the passing of the law preventing animals from being hurt in American-made movies. The American Humane Society has representatives at movie locations to ensure animal safety. It seems that even if there is no current law in China because the population hasn't deemed it important to demand, filmmakers themselves should be enlightened enough to be self-regulating.
I hope to get some international animal rights organizations, especially those dealing with legal issues, involved in changing this pitiful, disgusting state of affairs.

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Well I heard that since there was so many extras on the set that day that they didnt have enough food for everyone. So when the cow died it was good news for everyone since they had something to eat. I guess they cooked it in a big fire and there was lots of dancing. They even used the skin to make balls out of to play with when they werent filming.

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!!?? Sorry, I don't buy that. This is a serious issue and an important discussion.

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HHavis...you are a dork. This was all done in CGI I have the Hong Kong 2-disc special edition of this movie and they showed the making of this scene. They show how they created the cows and how they use AI technolegy so that the cows move randomly and not in the same order. And I am so surprised that you can't even tell that the cows are fake. They do not look real at all you are to sesative to see anything that has a animal dying wether it is real or fake. You don't believe me fine I don't have to show you that I am right I have the video of how they made the scene and you don't. This is not an important issue bcause it is all CGI man. Who here is really surprised that this person is taking the fact that CGI cows being killed to heart is way out of purportion and stupid at the same time. HHavis I am really sorry if I have offended you it is not my intention to do so but you should know what is real and what is done by computer.

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Oh and uh by the way they are CGI BULLS!! not CGI cows. I just thought you should know this for someone who wants to take this stupid matter seriously. If they were reall I would be joinig you in this subject Sparticus but they are not so there it is.

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I am sorry for mistaking bulls for cows. That was stupid of me. Thus, I am a dork. However, your argument is wrong because someone wrote that real bulls were in fact used but then replaced with CGI because the bulls didn't cooperate. The scene I am discussing, where the bull was murdered, was in a "making of" documentary on the DVD, not in the real movie. There, you see the real bulls being forced to stampede by way of gun shots and firercrakers, which is illegal in America. You can clearly see the death of a bull. Apparently, you have not seen this documentary. I don't understand your reference to Sparticus.

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Yes they were planing to use bulls and then mixs them together with the chase with Jang Dong-Gun. But as you said and so did the DVD documetary (which I forgot to add in here)they were not very coropterative so they had to use CG Bull to make the scenes and as for the bull that died they showed how they made that as well and It was also done by CGI. Who ever said that a real Bull died were just trying to get a rise out of you. I don't know what documetary you have seen but in mine they did not have anyone shot nothing and use no fireworks what so ever. They must have shown you a different documentary of another movie and told you it was this movie.

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I can tell the difference between real bulls and CGI bulls. A real bull died, I saw it. No mention ws made of it. The stampede was done for this movie. It was on the same DVD. Believe what you want to, but your arguments are not convincing.
Again, my point is that the Chinese should adopt the same animals rights as in America. Japan and China both lag behind America in this area. I love asian culture, especially the arts and films, but their consciousness needs to be raised regarding animal rights, and filmmaking is a good place to start because of America's high interest in it.

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I'll believe what I want to cause I have the facts. Do I want to show them? No. Why? cause I forgot that this topic is very stupid and I don't know why the hell I got into it in the first place. Even if they killed a real bull what are you going to do about it? I don't see a stampede of people coming in here to join your little animal rights cause. If this is a topic you want to talk about and want it to be taken seriously then you are definatly in the wrong site. And here is an important question I have to ask you are you a veggitarian? Cause if you are not then this topic is even more useless then ever. You'll eat meat but you can't stand to see the species that you eating die.

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Yes, I am a vegetarian, but it is not necessary to be a vegetarian to care about animal rights. I am surprised that most responses have disagreed with or ridiculed me, but regardless, I think I have a right to express my opinion on this site. I also hope I can inspire others to take an active role with me to encourage international humane organizations to address this important issue. If you think this thread is stupid you shouldn't waste your time here.

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Believe me I won't this will benifit for the both of us. This is the last time I will visit this thread. Yeah, yeah be gone I know.

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I seriously hope that putz "dsolidsnake" makes good on his promise to leave this thread and never come back.

Anyway, HHavis, thanks for posting this useful info. I haven't seen the film, and now I'll be sure to avoid it. I agree wholeheartedly with your points. And like you said, one needn't be a vegetarian (or even an animal lover) to despise animal cruelty in films. Food (survival) is totally different from movies (entertainment).

And listen up, people. Especially those of you who retreat to the hackneyed old "cows are slaughtered every day" argument. This is called a tu quoque argument, and it's a fallacy that will get you laughed out of any formal debate. Tu quoque is Latin for "you too", and it is a (fallacious) argument that attempts to excuse one crime by pointing out others.

Sure, cows are slaughtered every day, just like people are murdered by the hundreds each day on this planet. Is that supposed to excuse the crime? If so I think I'll go out and blow up a school because it happens every day in Iraq.

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Totally different direction...

I'd love to find a comprehensive site that lists all the animal cruelty laws in different countries. All the info I have comes from heresay here on imdb. But for what it's worth, I've heard that animal cruelty/killing is illegal in the USA, UK, France & Germany.

There are no laws against it in China, Korea (don't get me started on Korean films) or Japan. But it is interesting to note that Japanese movies rarely--if ever--have animal cruelty in them, probably because of the strong Buddhist influences. Mexican and Canadian films have been known to have animal cruelty, notably in Brokeback Mountain (2005) which the [Chinese] director purposely filmed outside the USA so he could get away with it. Like your Apocalypse Now example, unfortunately there are no laws against some director filming his snuff outside the USA and then coming back to sell it.

Sometimes (VERY RARELY) the American Humane Association will monitor films outside the USA border. You can search their extensive database here:
http://www.ahafilm.info/movies/movieratings.phtml

^ btw that's a really cool site. It offers a lot of interesting behind-the-scenes trivia about animal action on camera. For example, did you know that the maggot in Shawshank Redemption was fake? Made out of baby food.

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Damn your post just made me crave a double bacon cheeseburger... damn you! Because all of the restraunts around here are closed by now, so I'll have to wait until tomorrow to eat my dead cow, with dead pig strips on top.

But seriously, I draw a thin line between animal cruelty, such as testing chemicals on animals, and killing animals for food. Don't even try swaying my opinion on this subject, I am pretty dead set in my views, and you will be wasting breath trying to change them.

I would also likee to say how incredibly stupid you would be to not see this movie, because you heard a rumour on a internet messageboard, that their might have been an animal killed while filming this movie. And yeah the Bulls are all very obviously CGI. I don't really see the film makers trying to use real bulls in the first place.

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Hey no one's trying to change anyone's views here. We're just sharing opinions. So feel free to be as fat as you like. lol

Personally I don't draw any line at all between animal cruelty, vivisection, and slaughterhouses. So you got that right. The only difference is that I oppose it whereas you are in favour of it. Two different opinions. Have fun with yours.

And I'm confused, what's "incredibly stupid" about staying faithful to ones principles? Unless of course you don't have any, in which case I understand your confusion.

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yea this is my first post and hopefully not my last but i'm kind of confused when you said this

"Sure, cows are slaughtered every day, just like people are murdered by the hundreds each day on this planet. Is that supposed to excuse the crime? If so I think I'll go out and blow up a school because it happens every day in Iraq."

I'm not quite sure what "crime" you are talking about... would you please enlighten me. also i don't know how you go about relating killing a school (full of children i assume) to slaughtering cows, i really don't see the correlation. how can you pass up a terrific movie just because you heard from someone on the internet that a real bull died while on set. Now i'm sure you also think human cruelty is terrible too... would you not see The Crow because the lead actor Brandon Lee died while shooting?

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Before you start talking about China's animal rights, I think you should take a look at how they treat their PEOPLE. Take a look at http://en.epochtimes.com/ and flip through the China articles, it gets worse and worse. Organ harvesting, forced abortions...

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That cow will come back and haunt Chen Kaige for the rest of his life..

Cow Demon: "MOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! MOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"

Chen Kaige: "Stay away from me, Cow Demon!"

Heck, they wrecked unspoiled parts of China making this movie, why not off a few cows for good measure? Chen Kaige may be saying "Moo" in his next life.

Seriously, the allegations of bull-killing in The Promise are unproven. However, what The Promise crew did to that lake in rural China, and the damage this film did to Chen Kaige's reputation, are indisputable. The Promise crew showed great callouslness and lack of respect when shooting in an unspoiled location (which they ended up not even using). People are pre-disposed to believe the bull killing story because of this.

Two quesions, however:

a) do we actually know that a bull was killed or injured during filming, as it supposedly appears on the video?,

b) even if a bull was killed or injured, do we actually know what safety precautions were in place, and if they were followed?

Accident will happen. Even in the U.S., stuntmen and animals are occassionally killed or injured in spite of safety precautions. Animals are not human beings and don't always behave exactly as expected, making it even more difficult to control. This does not mean there was any wrong-doing or negligence. As for adding a public disclaimer, Chinese film-makers are not required to do so by their laws. This is an area of international law that should be discussed, as it is here. A more far-reaching question is should movies stop using animals in all but the least risky scenes, using only computer graphics? This would make injury impossible. Yet, aren't human lives more precious? Perhaps all dangerous stunts involving animals or humans should be outlawed. Isn't this the direction this logic is heading in?

P.S. "The Revenge of the Cow Demon" would probably have turned out to be a better movie than "The Promise" anyway.

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I don't believe what I'm reading! You animal rights people are idiots. What's the difference if a cow gets killed running with a bunch of other cows? It's not like they got an axe and chopped off his head! Cows are slaughtered every day in slaughterhouses and nobody blinks an eye. They're a dime a dozen. The only difference is that you don't see them being killed. Why don't you cry for the thousands of innocent people, including children, who are killed or who die of disease or hunger every day around the world? Geez

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Just because cruelty to children exists it doesn't mean we can ignore cruelty to animals. And see to response above to learn that your "cows are slaughtered everyday day" uses faulty logic.
The Promise was a beautiful movie, and that's why I was so unhappy to see the death of the bull. I think the only way to make the Chinese and Korean filmmakers regulate themselves regarding animal safety is to boycott the movies in which animals have died needlessly. We need to have a website devoted to informing the audience as to humane strictures used.
I didn't know about animals killed in Brokeback Mountain. Could you tell me where you learned this? Damn. That was my favorite movie. I saw it 4 times.
I hope people who think animal rights is "idiotic" come back in their next lives as cow, pigs and sheep and get eaten, just as they were starting to have a good time, by people who think animal rights is a crock.

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i can see why so many people are unable to ignore deaths of children because they have the possibility to be the next einstein or cure cancer or someone disease. tell me why we were put on this earth as NATURAL meat eaters and then tell me why cows were put on this earth.... please i would love to see your point of view on this. and plus there was no way that you were a vegen/vegetarian your whole life, unless your parents brought you up that way then i can understand where you are coming from

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I don't believe we were "put" on this earth. We evolved here like everything else, like apples on a tree. According to my anthropology knowledge, which is limited, our ancestors (the monkey kind) were vegetarians. They ate only vegetation and their stomachs were bigger because they had to process more bulky food to get enough protein. At some point the humanoid began eating meat and as their need for large amounts of food decreased their stomachs became smaller. They also grew canine incisors to tear flesh. However, many vegans and vegetarians have survived very well without eating dead animals.
As for cows, bulls and other animals, evolution has caused them to be here with us. People were able to domesticate cows, goats, horses,dogs, cats, etc. because of several factors inherent in their wild counterparts that made them easy to domesticate. I am not against meat-eaters, as some animals exist because people "created" them from their wild ancestors and we as a culture agree that they are edible. However, I am against cruelty and abuse of them, as can be seen in most meat processing plants, really sick people who kick their dogs, caged chicken farms, and of course in the making of some Chinese and Korean movies. Animals (and children) are innocent and only we can protect them. Each animal who has been eaten has been Christ, giving up his/her life so another can live (don't get excited, I'm not talking about Jesus). So when a person eats a dead animal, the person should be aware of the life that has been given up for his/her sake, so he/she can live another day, or a few hours.
I was not raised vegetarian, but once I became aware that hamburgers didn't grow on trees I did my best to stop eating dead animals. Sometimes I have to (such as when I'm a guest) and then I acknowledge and give thanks to the life given up for me. I do not tell other people what to eat. This issue is about whether animals should be treated humanely; it's not about whether a person should be a vegetarian. Thanks for asking.

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I agree that evolution doesn't cause anything. That was a bad word choice. However, certain animals are "domesticated," such as cows, dogs, chickens and some housecats. They are different from their wild counterparts due to inherent factors that make them capable of being domesticated. Humans "caused" them. If humans were not here, they would not exist in their domestic form. Jared Diamond explains this in detail in his book "Guns, Germs and Steel."

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Are you kidding me? You honestly think they should have dedicated the entire movie to some cow! Let me guess, you are one of those people that chains themselves to McDonalds to protest the sale of hamburgers or something STUPID like that. I'll admit that it sounds like a needless death, but it's a *beep* COW. It's not like a person died. I can see it being dedicated to a stage hand or a stunt man, but not my lunch! Oh my god, I'm going to go cry now because the cow died. What a baby!!!

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Am I the only one that regardless of CGI or real bulls, if that happened, was an accident and not really an intentional kill?

AS far as I am informed the animal protection rules on filmmaking are to protect them from abuses or premeditated "bad intentions", this was a rampage and Believe me you get bulls to move with some shotguns and fire work, not with a hearty cheer :)

as for the accident itself I don't think it was really that bad... at least it was a sweet death, fast as we want it. I'd be really pissed if they would try to keep the bull alive after that, it is not like a dead bull on a filming accident is a motive to never see it in your life adn believe, like most of the ppl in that situation, the bull would want a shot in the brains.

now making a fuss about it is stupid. pay attention that I am not saying you are stupid, just everything you said in this post as far as I was motivated enough to read it. I dont agree with the "it is a cow, they die everyday on slaugher houses". that is also stupid. but the important thing for me here is: how much did the animal suffer and was that kill really necessary or unavoidable? and I don't believe that the animal suffered that bad if it neck just snapped. Also this was not the will of the director, it was an accident.. it happens deal with it!

(P.S - Now I am hungry too....)

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It was a murder because it was a case of reckless endangerment. In America, directors are not allowed to make animals rampage for this very reason. If you get hit by a drunk driver, that is reckless endangerment and you can be tried for murder. Your hypothetical murder and the bull's murder were both avoidable. And how do you know that the bull didn't suffer? Ever have your neck snapped?
The point of contention in this thread is not really the value of a bull's life over that of a human. The point is that we are responsible for the safety or humane killing (if necessary) of all animals on this planet. They are not things. In the book, "When Elephants Weep" there is even an example of a dying mother spider still trying to protect her young. When are people going to wake up.

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Cows are killed everday in America that's where we get our lovely steaks and burgers. I don't see what the big deal is.

If that scene makes you sick, you should watch Apocalypse Now, you'll love the scene where they sacrifice a bull, that was before the days of PETA. It's very interesting to watch.

Besides, China needs to work out their human rights issues before they begin worrying about animals. I think when their execution rate drops from about 10,000 people a year, they can begin working on animal rights issues.

"Jesus loves me, he loves me a bunch, that's why he always puts skippy in my lunch"

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The bull sacrifice scene was anthropological. The village was murdering the bull as part of a religious rite.. The bull was going to be murdered whether Coppola filmed it or not. It was pornographic. What is the kind of movie that is pornographic and a woman is actually killed? "Slash" or something. That's what it was. The bull in The Promise would not have been murdered had the filmmaker not put him in harm's way. And just because China's human rights record is horrendous, it does not follow that their record on animal rights needs to be downplayed or made less significant.

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Weather or not the ceremony would have been done isn't the issue. Stuff like that wouldn't be allowed on film by todays standards, regardless. I personally don't have a problem with it, I think it's a very interesting scene.

If you can't see that holding animal rights in higher regard than human rights is screwed up, then I have to question your moral standing in life, as well as your logic.

Why is someone complaining about the death of a cow in China, when in China, thousands of innocent people are being executed every year? It's just a bit stupid and liberal to worry about the rights of a cow more than the rights of a human being. Like I said, once China fixes their human rights issues, we can then look to animal rights. One is much more important than the other, there is no doubt about that.

"Jesus loves me, he loves me a bunch, that's why he always puts skippy in my lunch"

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I have to say that in terms of logic, I am sorry but it is you that is being less than logical.
In China human rights are impaired. So are animal rights. I agree that humans are higher up the food chain. But there is no reason to insist that human rights must be are rectified *before* animal rights. Why can't they be improved at the same time? Human rights must not be repaired completely at the expense of animal rights, and there is no reason that should be so. It's not a black or white, either/or problem. Therein lies the illogic of your arguement.
In terms of support, human rights in China already has a huge voice internationally. Animals don't have a voice. Their support is miniscule. And illogical reasoning such as yours that fuels the imbalance. How many times do I have to say it? It's their planet, too.

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I'm against animal abuse, I think that we should treat animals with respect, but if I lived in a place where thousands of 'people' were 'murdered' each year, I would have to say that a dead cow would be pretty low on my list of priorities.

I also urge you to look up the definition of murder, because using it to characterize this situation involving a cow is somewhat absurd.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't strive to help both parties, i'm just stating that one should be a priority.

"Jesus loves me, he loves me a bunch, that's why he always puts skippy in my lunch"

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From a Massachusetts judge: "Manslaughter: the unlawful killing of another without malice. Voluntary: act committed with real design and purpose to kill, but through the violence of sudden passion, occassioned by some great provocation. Involuntary: act committed in commission of unlawful act, malum in se, not amounting to felony nor likely to endanger life; or *act constituting wanton or reckless conduct.* Penalty: NMT 20 yrs prison or NMT $1000 fine NMT 2 1/2 yrs HC or jail."

The death of the bull was not voluntary but was caused by provoking a stampede which was neglecting the safety of the animal actor.

Using "murder" to describe acts against animals as well as humans has been used before. I didn't invent it. In the 80's a Soviet official went bear hunting, found a family sleeping in a cave and murdered them all. What can you call that except murder?

I'm saying that there doesn't have to be a priority. Human and animal lives, viz., life itself, is and are both important.

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put the damn video on youtube so we can talk about something we have actually *seen*.

Plus I advice you to go and see "Cannibal Holocaust".

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I would but I rented the video from Blockbuster.
Why would I want to view a snuff film? I have better things to do. Like keep down my lunch.

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This is such a moronic thread.YOU CAN'T ENSURE THE SAFETY 100% ANIMALS IN A STAMPEDE. Or a horse race. or near a highway. or on a farm. or in the wild. You can't even do it with humans, and we can understand and obey(for the most part) complex rules, and all this whining does is constrict society and 'cause useless drama. First things first, if this bothered you so much, IT SHOULD HAVE. Feel it, deal with it, Accept it. Do you know how sheltered and soft you've are if this is so traumatic for you. My word. This is insane. You are acting like someone shot the thing. Natural law and fate says that cow wasn't coordinated enough to make it. Now, theres a little bit more food for the rest of the cows, and a little more meat for the crew. Animal rights is one thing, this absurdity is way over the line. If those cows were domestically born, bred and raised, then they had one goal and destination in theier existence. Consider that cow a winner because he/she got there faster than all the others.

"Inside the Dusters there were 3 men... So?... Inside the men there were 3 bullets." - d{^_^}b

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Right, you can't ensure the safety of animals in a stampede. That's why it's against the law in America to make animals stampede for a movie. Your response about "constrict(ing) society and cause(ing) useless drama" sounds just like the complaints men made when managers in the 90's attempted to make workplaces less rife with sexual harrassment. So what if you can't harrass female co-workers anymore. Deal with that! And it is how some filmmakers probably felt when AMA starting monitoring their work. But the result in both cases is a much better environment for everyone.
I've always had a problem about the attitude that some animals were "born" to die either to be eaten, tortured or disected. It's a way of brainwashing one's self to believe the death is acceptable. That attitude doesn't respect life, which to me is sociopathical, dim and/or demonic. People are born to die but we deserve a decent life not cut short because of someone else's selfishness, neglect or cruelty.
And as I have been corrected, they are bulls, not cows. Would your opinion be any different if it had been a horse or a dog? Does an animal's life depend on whether or not you can be pals?

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I had a comment, but really, it's not even worth it to battle. You'll probably always have something to complain about, which I why I don't understand why you think another culture should embrace your values. And my opinion wouldn't change if it was dogs, horses, cats, rats, bats, hats or PEOPLE stampeding. I would love to see about a thousnad stampeding cats, and one fat tabby to crush a little Siamese or the like. It would be pretty funny. I wouldn't wanna see it over and over, but once in my life, yeah, I'll take it. And whats the differnce if its filmed or if it's for herding purposes. That happens daily on U.S. farms. I don't see you saying anything about that.
The cow is not an endangered species, but there are many other species that are. Maybe your help and concern is needed elsewhere. I don't think the spirit of what you are trying to say is wrong, but the fashion that it's put out there is pretty naive and not really well thought out. Especially when it has overtones of cultural scrutinizing. You really can't complain because things are not all that better in North America. The laws you cite just make it so that you don't get to/have to see it. People around the world feel they way you felt watching that, except they're seeing corrupt police beat the tar outta people. Kids see their freinds get arms and legs blown off in all those war-torn countries. You should be happy that all your seeing is a foreign cow break a leg.

"Inside the Dusters there were 3 men... So?... Inside the men there were 3 bullets." - d{^_^}b

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People should be aware that when they are watching a Chinese movie and a horse is tripped, that horse is probably going to be shot. In American, it would be faked somehow, but in Mexico, Thailand, the Philipines and Korea, animal actors have no rights and everything you see is real. There is no regulation. There should be a movement from Americans forcing them to regulate themselves and protect their animals actors. I think a good name would be "Asian Actionmovie Addicts of America Against Animal Actor Abuse" or A8.

Orestes

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It was an accident.
It's not like the crew mwmbers thought "Looks like it's steak and hamburger tonight guys!"
I'm sure they felt very badly and gave the poor cow apropper burial.

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