Worst public appraisement in China - Wu ji (2006) Discussion

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[–] bananaman2000 18 years ago

I think it's funny that people accuse the Promise and Chen Kaige of catering to Hollywood and the west, yet you mention Ang Lee and Crouching Tiger, which catered just as much to the west. It used actors who couldn't speak Mandarin and hence had poor Mandarin accents to appeal to the west, and it was even written by an America!

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[–] bananaman2000 18 years ago

While it is definetly not Chen Kaige's best film, or even the best Chinese film ever made, I still enjoyed yet. I have seen much worse Chinese films. Warriors of Heaven and Earth was far far worse.

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[–] SuperMondo 18 years ago

lolllllllllllllllllllll

the last line

great post

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[–] reiyi 18 years ago

It doesn't matter that the whole china think the movie is bad. I still enjoyed the movie and think it's good. That's my opinion.

I don't need to live in china to know how terrible the comments are. I can just read it right here on this board. Reading millions of critical messages wouldn't change the fact that I did enjoy the movie.

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[–] Viderum 18 years ago

In some ways you are right that it is the Casshern of China. At first I thought it was kind of harsh you would compare Casshern to this film (despite alot of people in Japan do not like Casshern). Although I myself consider Casshern to be a much better film. I felt it had a much better story, and alot more spirit. The IMDB agrees with me on this. It was just in need of being more thought out, such as the film in question now.

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[–] jumboend 18 years ago

Oh, and speak english, not engrish

Here's a better idea, STFU racist.

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[–] idaho_d 18 years ago

I agree this movie is a crap, shallow story, childish computer animation and thing like these. Though I am not as detetrmined like sputnikov, I also feel that many ppl give high scores to asian movies just because of their country of origin.

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[–] bananaman2000 18 years ago

I don't think people like this movie because it's Chinese. Most people don't like it, or hate. I enjoyed it, but wasn't overly impressed. It's the Casshern of China. The directors vision could not be contained in one single film, so it becomes a wonderous imaganery mess. It is by no means the best Chinese movie ever, and yes, probably is Chen Kaiges worst film, but god, I think this niko fella is absolutely insane. You think he should commit suidcide. The movie offend you that much? Now that is insane. There are far worse movies made in china. Esacape from Amazon was by far one of the worst movies I have ever seen in my life. Watching that movie made me want to jump from the bus I was riding. And I thought Warriors of Heaven and Earth as far worse than the Promise. A cheap remake of Musa with bad special FX, terrible fight choreography and the look of a made for TV movie.

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[–] campsies 18 years ago

bananaman2000 gotta agree with you.

Warriors of Heaven and Earth was by far a worst film than Wu ji

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[–] idaho_d 18 years ago

Bananaman2000, I have not seen any of those flicks you have mentioned. I just know of a fraction of few guys who likes everything East Asian and give them high ratings (68 percent for this movie at the moment) no matter what, making them in another movie database much nicer, than they, in fact, are. Actually I gave it 30 percent, because something made me to watch it to the end. And Cecilia Cheung was very beautiful in there... But Casshern? Comparing this shallow piece of crap with the depth of Casshern? Give me a break.

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[–] WalterX 18 years ago

it's a piece of cow crap, something out of the large intestines of a dead cow. I have see a few Chen Kaige's films, and I had a rather positive image of the man, "He Ni Zai Yi Qi" was a decent film, after seeing that film, I rated him as a above average director. But, recently I saw "Wu Ji", and I have to say, as a Chinese-American, I am ashamed, this is just horrible, the fact that a korean and a japanese were the leading actors infuriated me, isn't there 1.2 billion people in china? cant he find two actors who can speak PROPER Mandarin to play the role? THe story plot is just bad beyond imagination, i can't even find one word in the chinese and english and French language to describe how "bad" it was, I left the movie after the 50 minute mark, I am actually suprised I made it to a whole 50 minutes! I recommand this movie to you, if u hate someone so badly, (someone who killed your love one or something) send him a copy of this movie. God! it's awful!

P.S Chen Kaige should apologize to the world, and retire, and disapear.
P.S I will not see another Chen Kaige's film, ever!

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[–] Mons666 18 years ago

Complete waste of money!
Spending huge budget on special effects and big-shot stars with ending up with shallow actings and hollow story.
One of examples as going commerical without success.

p.s. Chen Kaige is ok. He was just doing without thinking this time.
Hopefully he'll see why this movie sucks instead of promoting it as a peak of his career.

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[–] christomacin 16 years ago

This movie did for "artistic" martial arts movies what "Cleopatra" did for Sword and Sandel films and "Heaven's Gate" did for Westerns: buried them. Some movies just have a stink to them. Chen Kaige had no business putting himself or his audiences through this. It would be like Stanley Kubrick directing Waterworld or Billy Wilder directing an Elvis movie. It may sink Chen Kaige's career in the long run for sure. I have spent much of the past 20 years promoting 5th Generation Chinese film-makers to my friends at every opportunity, and this was a slap in the face. How much farther can this genre really be taken anyway? The genere has already been "transcended" and "exploded". Now its been "imploded" by The Promise.

P.S. I'm not from Asia. I prefer more "normal" films to martial arts, but as for martial arts I loved Zhang Yimou's "kung fu" films, thought Crouching Tiger was over-rated but OK, and Bruce Lee is "the Man". Hong Kong's Tsui Hark did some good fun, pulpy kung fu films as well. I am sure there are other fun ones, but I haven't seen that many.

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[–] scroot 18 years ago

What's up with people like Zhang Yimou and Chen Kaige suddenly making these huge fantasies? These guys used to make relevant, thought-provoking Chinese films. Not that I'm saying I don't like this genre, but it seems to me that this switch came all of the sudden and has encompassed a whole generation of Chinese directors. Hwo do you go from something like To Live/Farewell My Concubine to Hero/The Promise? Could it be a backlash against all that was lost during the cultural revolution, an attempt to reacquaint China and the rest of the world with that which is quintessentially Chinese (we know Kaige has a very personal connection with the Cultural Revolution)? Interesting.

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[–] ferls 18 years ago

Hwo do you go from something like To Live/Farewell My Concubine to Hero/The Promise?

In between farewell my concubine and promise, Chen kaige had directed killing me softly starring joseph fiennes which was pretty bad, unlike Ang lee's sense and sensibility which had an authentic western feel, and brought out the intricate relationship among characters(like brokeback),directing for KMS was all over the place.

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[–] cliffr2k 18 years ago

Not that bad at ALL. Welcome to the Chinese Critics world ( You can imagine how come a hundred year of Chinese cinema, only a few were able to make it well known to the world while American films are everywhere). I think one of the biggest reasons is that Most of the Chinese are very critical. (You can hardly find a chinese having a sense of humor saying " I am not that smart. I don't know..". A lot if Chinese think they know everything...they know how to make better movies than the director .Although this can be same as in America, but Gee. Go figure Crouching Tiger was rated so badly by the Chinese and Hong Kong people before it comes to America TOO!!!

This film is not regular movies it has a lot of implicit messages such as the steam bun, the lies, the promise, the freedom. In the film it tell you how all these affect individuals. It is a serious film enough for people to easily make fun of.
But if you really let go of your Realistic mind and think of this film as a piece of art that leave you much imagination. This would be a film for you!

Hope this help.
Cliff

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[–] idaho_d 18 years ago

making double posts :))?

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[–] drunken_imbecile 18 years ago

Most Americans are simple minded.

The film has stunning graphics, but that is about it.

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[–] logicandemotions 16 years ago

Criticize other doesn't make you a great person.

Now days and time there are so many ppl enjoy bring others down to make themselves looks "intelligent" and have better "taste" ,but really, they are useless and never achieve anything in their boring life.

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[–] thestreetlighter 16 years ago

Never achieve anything? Director Chen Kaige sued that young man for making a parody of his film. It was so ridiculous that people started rebelling against Chen. The young man should have the creative freedom to do whatever he wants.

It's funny how that guy (who was virtually unknown at the time) got applause and support from so many people in China for his parody, unlike Chen's disastrous movie which everyone hated. Now if that's not an achievement then I don't know what is.

Anyway, this movie deserved to be made fun of. It was pure crap. Long live Hu Ge!

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[–] cengelm 16 years ago

movie which everyone hated.

If everyone hates it then everyone must have seen it. Did it gross well in China?

At least in the Western world it flopped.

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[–] yiren121 11 years ago

Ok, some guy making fun of a movie by using just editing software is "achieved something"? I see u have such high standard huh?

Yeah he had his so called " creative freedom" , but Chen also has his freedom to sue that's guy, so don't act like a freedom fighter.

" got applause and support from so many people in china for his parody"?
It doesn't mean they are right, it doesn't mean Hu *beep* Ge is right too.
It's disrespect, it's never okay to disrespect, u trying to slap someone in his face, they will *beep* u right back, and that's what Chen did.

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[–] thestreetlighter 11 years ago

Chen Kaige actually didn't do anything. He threatened to sue but eventually dropped the lawsuit and backed off. Why? Because Chen himself was receiving large amounts of criticism from the public just because of the threat.

So yeah, Hu Ge wins! And if you honestly think what Hu Ge did was disrespectful then you have no idea what disrespect means. Making a parody is disrespectful? Get over yourself.

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[–] yiren121 11 years ago

what exactly did this "Hu Ge" win???

and just listen to your self:
"you honestly think what Hu Ge did was disrespectful then you have no idea what disrespect means"

LMAO~~I can't believe how idiotic that sound, and how stupid is it for someone who been disrespectful to question others if they are know what disrespectful means.
DO YOU KNOW WHAT RESPECT MEANS????

if your hero is that HuGe, why are you even here? on this message boarding talking about this movie?
just to express how much you hate it? and you asking me to get over myself?

This movie is not good, period.
but haters are even more hopeless.

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[–] thestreetlighter 11 years ago

The fact that Chen Kaige tried to sue was silly enough. Hu Ge got overwhelming public support because the lawsuit threat was wrong and Chen knew it. He did not make the parody for any money and therefore the case was dismissed. He was not committing any crimes whatsoever. Trying to sue someone because you got your feelings hurt is childish and stupid.

Hu Ge made the parody, so of course I'd be here. This is a discussion board about the movie whether you liked it or not. But why are you here? To hate on the haters? I think that's even more hopeless.

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