The cast COULDN'T speak chinese!

Thanks for your reply. This is the most detailed objection to the movie I have seen. Before I go into my understanding of these parts, let me say this: You seem to be putting the characters into your shoes instead of putting yourself into the characters shoes.

Part 1 A: Deflecting the bulls? The slaves were to draw the

barbarians out. Not deflecting the bulls. The bulls were simply

a tactic used by the barbarians. Whatever tactic the barbarians

were to use, and whatever the terrain was, the slaves were there

to draw them out and get killed first. That was General

GuangMing's purpose. At that point, GuangMing had a complete

disregard for the slaves' well being.

Part 1 B: Why shoot at the slaves? GuangMing's tactic was to

keep the bulls running and running. He needed the slaves to keep

running on the canyon's floor. If there was no slave to follow,

the bulls may stop. Therefore, anyone flees up the hill was

shot.

By the way, slaves owners do not need reason to destroy their own

properties. In this case, the slaves were not doing what they

were told, no slave master would take that. GuangMing bought

those slaves for one purpose only. It is ridiculous to think

that he cared about their lives, or had time in a battle field to think about whether he should care.


Part 2: GuangMing first yelled at KunLun to keep going straight,

then shot at that direction to make his point. He was NOT trying

to kill KunLun. He was warning KunLun to keep running straight

ahead. GuangMing had a perfect reason to do this. Again, if

there is no one to chase in the front, the bulls may stop or even

turn around. GuangMing's army would be in trouble. Put yourself into GuangMing's shoes. Getting other people in the battle field to do what he wanted or he would kill them was an automatic thing for people like him. He did not have to think about this. He would not think about this. He did not have time to think about this.


Part 3: I have several takes one this.
A: If KunLun was not so fast and running ahead of the

bulls, the bulls may stop or even turn around. GuangMing's army

would have had a much tougher fight. That is my opinion.
B: The Goddess is a character giving her opinion. You

do not have to agree with her opinion. She is not a voice in the

background explaining things to viewers. Given the fact she

toyed with a starving girl at the beginning of the movie, I would

not be surprised that she outright lied. She may not evsn

believe what she said at all. That only made her a ridiculous,

not the movie. If she is a background voice explaing things to

viewers, then it is arguable. In my opinion, KunLun was only one

of the many reasons that GuangMing's army won.
C: Whatever the reason for her to say that, the

statement served one purpose. It made GuangMing wanted to win

and win and win even more. Be that a girl or whatever. A

perfect thing to say when toying with someone arrogant. The

Goddess liked to toy with mankind.

Part 4: You honestly think that someone would attack a palace

just to grab a woman? The king and other dukes in would just let

it pass after that. Do not be ridiculous. WuHuan started a war

to control the entire kingdom. He did not give a rat about

whether the girl is alive. Like Helen of Troy said in "Hellen of

Troy", I am the execuse, not the reason. WuHuan was only playing

with his vitims, like a cat playing with a mouse.
If the real intention of WuHuan was to get the girl and had no ill thought about the King, what

was he supposed to do when the King tried to kill the sex toy?

Shoot the King?
Frankly, I do not believe WuHuan expected the girl would

ask the soldiers to point their spears at the King, then the King

tried to kill her. I think WuHuan was simply dumbfounded at that

point and did not know how to react. May if he had a few minutes to think, he would reacted in a way that allowed him to take control of the Kingdom without getting blamed for the King's death, and gets the girl too. However, GuangMing(KunLun) came charging in and something even better happened.


Part 5: KunLun charged into the palace and, in a split second, saw someone on the roof was chopping away at an unarmed person, he simply reacted, in a split second. He never had the time to stop and take a good look, think, then decide ,ummmm, the dude holding the sword might be the King, not the rebel leader. He may not even know that was a girl until she screamed in the air and dropped onto his arms.
Put yourself into his shoes: Running fast, bopping up and down on a horse back, face mask limiting peripheral vision, charged into a place never been to, someone on roof was chopping away at an unarmed person he could only see the back, react now. All these happened in about three seconds.

Not ridiculous at all.

I will answer the rest another time.

Contiue to Answer Street Fighter:
Part 6: GuangMing wanted to win and win and win. And his slave

existed to serve him. It is ridiculous to think GuangMing would

risk his own skin, and the girl's, to save his slave. Not gonna

happen. At that point, GuangMing did have some respect for

KunLun's ability and loyalty. His slave was still his slave.

Not enough to risk his own life. Besides, because what the

Goddess said, they were in a bit of competition already, at least

in GuangMing's mind.
Why wouldn't KunLun run away? For this, director did not

make clear, and did not have to. Maybe KunLun was too tired

after pushing open the gate against so many soldiers. Maybe he

blocked the exit to give his master and the girl more time to

escape. Maybe he looked backward to see his master off and 5 or

6 WuHuan'soldiers jumped on him. Maybe he still felt the

pressure on the gates. If he took his hands off, he would have

been crushed. Maybe .... Maybe ....
It is ridiculous to add that kind of details. It would

only make the movie longer without adding anything. I am glad

Chen is not a ridiculous person.


Part 7: This must be a big typo:
"Kunlun says the General will be acquitted if Qingcheng reveals

the truth...but he wasn't acquitted at all and they're tied up

under Wuhuan instead for some reason."

If this is not a typo, you have got to be kidding. This is like

saying a thief in a movie tells the police he did not steal.

Then you complain that this is a bad movie because it clearly

shows the thief had stolen things.
NO, that does NOT make the movie a bad one. That only makes the

thief a thief and a liar. That is part of the story.

KunLun was too innocent. He truely believed once the facts are

out, the general and the girl would be saved. He was wrong. And

that is part of the story.


Part 8: GuangMing did not reveal the fact because he did not

want the girl to find out he was not the one who saved her. By

that point, he cared more about how the girl felt than his own

skin. Otherwise he could have followed KunLun and escaped the

night before.
Besides, lies bred more lies. Lies need more lies to

cover them up. That is one of the points of the movie.

Of course WuHuan lied. He wanted to destroy GuangMing.

He was a bad guy. When truth served him, he told the truth.

When lies served him better, he told lies. That makes him a bad

person. Does not make it a bad movie.


Part 9: A: KunLun never took the general back in time. He

carried the general on his back to chase the girl on a horse back

who left a while ago.
B: The general never actually meant to kill the girl.

He was in self denial that he actually liked her. He was

beginning to change from an extremely arrogant guy to a more

caring man. He was losing the bet to the Goddess. That scared

him and fell into a state a self denial.
C: The girl knew the general liked her, and she liked

the general. Why wouldn't she? She thought he destroyed his own

career by killing the king just to save her. And he jumped off

the cliff for her too. She knew he never meant to kill her.
What is there to forgive?
D: By the way, the chasing part was a very good scene.

Not just visually. Visually, it was stunning, of course.
When KunLun showed Snow Wolf he knew how to run, Snow

Wolf told him that was running away, not running. Snow Wolf told

him he must have desire in order to truely run.
KunLun's desire to see the girl made him truely run for

the first time. And what a beautiful run it was.
Obviousely, running is an art form, a cultural thing to

the Snow Kingdom. Just like poetry to the Chinese, and music to

the Austrians. Riding horses for the Native Americans was not

just chasing buffullos for food. It was also an art. That is

why it is called Horse Culture. Unfortunately, that had pretty

much been destroyed. The Snow Kingdom suffered the same fate.


Part 10: I semi agree with you on this. One explanation would

be the general followed KunLun, and watched QingCheng flying from

outside. When the Qingcheng fell, he decided to go save her

himself. This is kind of details that add time to the movie but

may not improve it.


Part 11: "Qingcheng forgets the words Kunlun tells her by the

waterfall even though they were the words that helped her fall in

love with him."
What? In which part of the movie did she forget?
If you are refering to the part QingCheng asking

GuangMing to repeat what he(KunLun , actually) said, then you

truely did not get it. The girl loved those words. She wanted

to hear them again and again.
If you are refering to what she said in the trial, then

you need to, whatever.
The girl was lying in the trial to save the general. Get

it? It is really simple.


Part 12: "Guangming tells Qingcheng to keep on living and then

she cries over him, even though he almost had her killed and

totally lied to her"
By that point, they truely loved each other, even after

all the lies had been exposed. True. GuangMing lied in the

past, was arrogant, and just wanted to win the bet against the

Goddess at the beginning. Those things did not changed the fact

he truely loved the girl, and truely cared about her well being

later. And the girl knew it.
GuangMing did not escape with KunLun the night before

trial. He wanted to see the girl. He did not care about the red

armours any more.
When GuangMing was tied up and hanging on the second

floor, he was not feeling sorry for himself. He felt bad because

the girl was suffering.
And this is a girl who spent her entire adult life as a

sex toy, you expect her not to be touched by his love?
She still loved the general despite his past lies.

Why GuangMing would like this girl?
I have to say I would not fall for a girl behaves like

that, unless she is the only girl around.
In this movie, she seems to be the only girl around.


Pat 13: "The General is deceived by his own soldiers, who are

now commanded by Wuhuan. When and how did that happen? They even

mistakenly punished the General for killing the King, and now

they're under the person who was against the King. What the heck?

"

God, this is so simple. I cannot believe anyone not

getting it.
WuHuan was against the King but never said it. His

excuse was the girl. When the General(KunLun, actually) killed

the King, the soldiers were left without a leader. It is very

easy for WuHuan, who already had control of the capital, to

convince them to follow him. Details of what WuHaun said and did

to convince them should not be in a two hours movie. Else the

movie would go off on a side show that slow things down and

confuse viewers.This is not a movie about imperial court

politics.


Part 14: "In the beginning at Horseshoe Valley, when Kunlun tries to grab the piece of meat in the air, Guangming shoots an arrow through it that flies over the group of slaves. But somehow it magically drops right in front of everyone."

I semi give you this one. My gut feeling is the meat and arrow should go a bit further. May be you can do an experiment how far they would travel.
To me, that is too minor a detail to go buy some bow and arrows for.


Part 15: I do not think so. I believe Snow Wolf was only trying to save himself. To me, he was a coward. I am glad he changed later.
Again, a character saying things you(the viewer) disagree does not make it a bad movie. That is the character's opinion. That is part of the story. KunLun's action to Snow Wolf fits this opinion.
The relationship between Snow Wolf and KunLun was interesting. Snow Wolf helped to wake up KunLun. Once awaken, the student became the teacher, in a way.
I really like that part Snow Wolf told KunLun "Don't try to kill WuHuan. You will fail, same as me." KunLun roared back "We are not the same.". That shamed Snow Wolf, and forced him to face his own sin. And he bravely did.


The above are my takes on your takes.

This movie is a lot more than shockingly beautiful.

Thanks for your reply. This is the most detailed objection to

the movie I have seen. Before I go into my understanding of

these parts, let me say this: You seem to be putting the

characters into your shoes instead of putting yourself into the

characters shoes.

Part 1 A: Deflecting the bulls? The slaves were to draw the

barbarians out. Not deflecting the bulls. The bulls were simply

a tactic used by the barbarians. Whatever tactic the barbarians

were to use, and whatever the terrain was, the slaves were there

to draw them out and get killed first. That was General

GuangMing's purpose. At that point, GuangMing had a complete

disregard for the slaves' well being.

Part 1 B: Why shoot at the slaves? GuangMing's tactic was to

keep the bulls running and running. He needed the slaves to keep

running on the canyon's floor. If there was no slave to follow,

the bulls may stop. Therefore, anyone flees up the hill was

shot.

By the way, slaves owners do not need reason to destroy their own

properties. In this case, the slaves were not doing what they

were told, no slave master would take that. GuangMing bought

those slaves for one purpose only. It is ridiculous to think

that he cared about their lives, or had time in a battle field to

think about whether he should care.


Part 2: GuangMing first yelled at KunLun to keep going straight,

then shot at that direction to make his point. He was NOT trying

to kill KunLun. He was warning KunLun to keep running straight

ahead. GuangMing had a perfect reason to do this. Again, if

there is no one to chase in the front, the bulls may stop or even

turn around. GuangMing's army would be in trouble. Put yourself

into GuangMing's shoes. Getting other people in the battle field

to do what he wanted or he would kill them was an automatic thing

for people like him. He did not have to think about this. He

would not think about this. He did not have time to think about

this.


Part 3: I have several takes one this.
A: If KunLun was not so fast and running ahead of the

bulls, the bulls may stop or even turn around. GuangMing's army

would have had a much tougher fight. That is my opinion.
B: The Goddess is a character giving her opinion. You

do not have to agree with her opinion. She is not a voice in the

background explaining things to viewers. Given the fact she

toyed with a starving girl at the beginning of the movie, I would

not be surprised that she outright lied. She may not evsn

believe what she said at all. That only made her a ridiculous,

not the movie. If she is a background voice explaing things to

viewers, then it is arguable. In my opinion, KunLun was only one

of the many reasons that GuangMing's army won.
C: Whatever the reason for her to say that, the

statement served one purpose. It made GuangMing wanted to win

and win and win even more. Be that a girl or whatever. A

perfect thing to say when toying with someone arrogant. The

Goddess liked to toy with mankind.

Part 4: You honestly think that someone would attack a palace

just to grab a woman? The king and other dukes in would just let

it pass after that. Do not be ridiculous. WuHuan started a war

to control the entire kingdom. He did not give a rat about

whether the girl is alive. Like Helen of Troy said in "Hellen of

Troy", I am the execuse, not the reason. WuHuan was only playing

with his vitims, like a cat playing with a mouse.
If the real intention of WuHuan was to get the girl and

had no ill thought about the King, what

was he supposed to do when the King tried to kill the sex toy?

Shoot the King?
Frankly, I do not believe WuHuan expected the girl would

ask the soldiers to point their spears at the King, then the King

tried to kill her. I think WuHuan was simply dumbfounded at that

point and did not know how to react. May if he had a few minutes

to think, he would reacted in a way that allowed him to take

control of the Kingdom without getting blamed for the King's

death, and gets the girl too. However, GuangMing(KunLun) came

charging in and something even better happened.


Part 5: KunLun charged into the palace and, in a split second,

saw someone on the roof was chopping away at an unarmed person,

he simply reacted, in a split second. He never had the time to

stop and take a good look, think, then decide ,ummmm, the dude

holding the sword might be the King, not the rebel leader. He

may not even know that was a girl until she screamed in the air

and dropped onto his arms.
Put yourself into his shoes: Running fast, bopping up and down

on a horse back, face mask limiting peripheral vision, charged

into a place never been to, someone on roof was chopping away at

an unarmed person he could only see the back, react now. All

these happened in about three seconds.

Not ridiculous at all.

Part 6: GuangMing wanted to win and win and win. And his slave

existed to serve him. It is ridiculous to think GuangMing would

risk his own skin, and the girl's, to save his slave. Not gonna

happen. At that point, GuangMing did have some respect for

KunLun's ability and loyalty. His slave was still his slave.

Not enough to risk his own life. Besides, because what the

Goddess said, they were in a bit of competition already, at least

in GuangMing's mind.
Why wouldn't KunLun run away? For this, director did not

make clear, and did not have to. Maybe KunLun was too tired

after pushing open the gate against so many soldiers. Maybe he

blocked the exit to give his master and the girl more time to

escape. Maybe he looked backward to see his master off and 5 or

6 WuHuan'soldiers jumped on him. Maybe he still felt the

pressure on the gates. If he took his hands off, he would have

been crushed. Maybe .... Maybe ....
It is ridiculous to add that kind of details. It would

only make the movie longer without adding anything. I am glad

Chen is not a ridiculous person.


Part 7: This must be a big typo:
"Kunlun says the General will be acquitted if Qingcheng reveals

the truth...but he wasn't acquitted at all and they're tied up

under Wuhuan instead for some reason."

If this is not a typo, you have got to be kidding. This is like

saying a thief in a movie tells the police he did not steal.

Then you complain that this is a bad movie because it clearly

shows the thief had stolen things.
NO, that does NOT make the movie a bad one. That only makes the

thief a thief and a liar. That is part of the story.

KunLun was too innocent. He truely believed once the facts are

out, the general and the girl would be saved. He was wrong. And

that is part of the story.


Part 8: GuangMing did not reveal the fact because he did not

want the girl to find out he was not the one who saved her. By

that point, he cared more about how the girl felt than his own

skin. Otherwise he could have followed KunLun and escaped the

night before.
Besides, lies bred more lies. Lies need more lies to

cover them up. That is one of the points of the movie.

Of course WuHuan lied. He wanted to destroy GuangMing.

He was a bad guy. When truth served him, he told the truth.

When lies served him better, he told lies. That makes him a bad

person. Does not make it a bad movie.


Part 9: A: KunLun never took the general back in time. He

carried the general on his back to chase the girl on a horse back

who left a while ago.
B: The general never actually meant to kill the girl.

He was in self denial that he actually liked her. He was

beginning to change from an extremely arrogant guy to a more

caring man. He was losing the bet to the Goddess. That scared

him and fell into a state a self denial.
C: The girl knew the general liked her, and she liked

the general. Why wouldn't she? She thought he destroyed his own

career by killing the king just to save her. And he jumped off

the cliff for her too. She knew he never meant to kill her.
What is there to forgive?
D: By the way, the chasing part was a very good scene.

Not just visually. Visually, it was stunning, of course.
When KunLun showed Snow Wolf he knew how to run, Snow

Wolf told him that was running away, not running. Snow Wolf told

him he must have desire in order to truely run.
KunLun's desire to see the girl made him truely run for

the first time. And what a beautiful run it was.
Obviousely, running is an art form, a cultural thing to

the Snow Kingdom. Just like poetry to the Chinese, and music to

the Austrians. Riding horses for the Native Americans was not

just chasing buffullos for food. It was also an art. That is

why it is called Horse Culture. Unfortunately, that had pretty

much been destroyed. The Snow Kingdom suffered the same fate.


Part 10: I semi agree with you on this. One explanation would

be the general followed KunLun, and watched QingCheng flying from

outside. When the Qingcheng fell, he decided to go save her

himself. This is kind of details that add time to the movie but

may not improve it.


Part 11: "Qingcheng forgets the words Kunlun tells her by the

waterfall even though they were the words that helped her fall in

love with him."
What? In which part of the movie did she forget?
If you are refering to the part QingCheng asking

GuangMing to repeat what he(KunLun , actually) said, then you

truely did not get it. The girl loved those words. She wanted

to hear them again and again.
If you are refering to what she said in the trial, then

you need to, whatever.
The girl was lying in the trial to save the general. Get

it? It is really simple.


Part 12: "Guangming tells Qingcheng to keep on living and then

she cries over him, even though he almost had her killed and

totally lied to her"
By that point, they truely loved each other, even after

all the lies had been exposed. True. GuangMing lied in the

past, was arrogant, and just wanted to win the bet against the

Goddess at the beginning. Those things did not changed the fact

he truely loved the girl, and truely cared about her well being

later. And the girl knew it.
GuangMing did not escape with KunLun the night before

trial. He wanted to see the girl. He did not care about the red

armours any more.
When GuangMing was tied up and hanging on the second

floor, he was not feeling sorry for himself. He felt bad because

the girl was suffering.
And this is a girl who spent her entire adult life as a

sex toy, you expect her not to be touched by his love?
She still loved the general despite his past lies.

Why GuangMing would like this girl?
I have to say I would not fall for a girl behaves like

that, unless she is the only girl around.
In this movie, she seems to be the only girl around.


Pat 13: "The General is deceived by his own soldiers, who are

now commanded by Wuhuan. When and how did that happen? They even

mistakenly punished the General for killing the King, and now

they're under the person who was against the King. What the heck?

"

God, this is so simple. I cannot believe anyone not

getting it.
WuHuan was against the King but never said it. His

excuse was the girl. When the General(KunLun, actually) killed

the King, the soldiers were left without a leader. It is very

easy for WuHuan, who already had control of the capital, to

convince them to follow him. Details of what WuHaun said and did

to convince them should not be in a two hours movie. Else the

movie would go off on a side show that slow things down and

confuse viewers.This is not a movie about imperial court

politics.


Part 14: "In the beginning at Horseshoe Valley, when Kunlun tries to grab the piece of meat in the air, Guangming shoots an arrow through it that flies over the group of slaves. But somehow it magically drops right in front of everyone."

I semi give you this one. My gut feeling is the meat and arrow should go a bit further. May be you can do an experiment how far they would travel.
To me, that is too minor a detail to go buy some bow and arrows for.


Part 15: I do not think so. I believe Snow Wolf was only trying to save himself. To me, he was a coward. I am glad he changed later.
Again, a character saying things you(the viewer) disagree does not make it a bad movie. That is the character's opinion. That is part of the story. KunLun's action to Snow Wolf fits this opinion.
The relationship between Snow Wolf and KunLun was interesting. Snow Wolf helped to wake up KunLun. Once awaken, the student became the teacher, in a way.
I really like that part Snow Wolf told KunLun "Don't try to kill WuHuan. You will fail, same as me." KunLun roared back "We are not the same.". That shamed Snow Wolf, and forced him to face his own sin. And he bravely did.


The above are my takes on your takes.

This movie is a lot more than shockingly beautiful.

Ke neng. For starters...Nei=ni. You are using Jyutping (and without tone marks) -- which is but 1 of several different ways to write Cantonese in roman script. Had you written in characters, Mandarin speakers would understand your meaning without too much trouble-- especially speakers of Taiwanese dialects. I know precious little spoken Cantonese but I certainly can understand it in characters when I read it and I'm not Taiwanese.

Look up the meaning of the word dialect. It has a different meaning than the word language. The LANGUAGE is Chinese. Putonghua and Cantonese are DIALECTS of the Chinese LANGUAGE.

You are free to disagree if you wish, but that doesn't mean you would be correct. You may not like the fact that they are considered dialects of the same language, but it doesn't change the fact in any way. Whether or not you buy into Wikipedia or any number of linguistic sites (scholarly or otherwise -- general Chinese or Cantonese sites)Cantonese is still considered CHINESE and is generally referred to as Cantonese Chinese, as opposed Shanghainese Chinese, or Putonghua Chinese, etc.
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For ChenZhenFist 1... I agree Cecilia can act when given the chance-- loved her rooftop scene-- but I think she's better suited to her comedies.

Yes I speak fluent Cantonese and is currently learning Mandarin in Saturday school, and no it's not easy even if you know Cantonese (since I can't read Chinese so Cantonese knowledge is therefore useless). And yes I know Cantonese and Mandarin speakers can understand each other, only with a pen & paper. Remember Chinese writings are pictures, they do not represent sounds, they instead represent ideas that convey sounds into each languages. For example the character "gold" is read Jin (Mandarin), Gam (Cantonese), Kin (Japanese), Keum (Korean) and Kim (Vietnamese).