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Read Factotum and immediately watched this


Biiiigg mistake.

Honestly I can't believe most of the stuff posted on this forum. The acting was atrocious (with the exception of Marisa Tomei) Dillon was terrible as Hank he really seemed like he didn't know what he was doing half the time. Every no name actor in this sounds like they are literally reading their lines from the book with 4th grade reading skills, jesus. I really just did not like it it was so bland and the scenes all fall flat. I love Bukowski and his writings and I really hope one day we can find a group of good actors and a competent director and/or screenwriter to really give one of his novels a true cinema adaptation.

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came here to write exactly this! The quality of acting and script just doesn't do the book justice. Hunter S. Thompson had far more luck with his book adptations.

To extend on that, I have several technical issues with the movie.
First of all, I get the feeling, that the general tempo is off. The order of the book is neglected, which negate the subtle changes in Hank's character, that are supposed to happen.
Second, the mood is always gloomy, never fun. Only few scenes show the dark, dirty humour hidden in Bukowski's writing style. The movie takes itself far too serious and becomes quite lofty.
Third, this may sound weird, but not enough brutality is shown. Or maybe not realistic enough by choosing to not show any blood or excrements. Remember that the book is set in the middle of WWII. The world is a dark place, where the strong survive and the weak get trodden on and die. Hank is what he is, because he is a survivor in this world.
Fourth, Hank's inner dialogue is not narrated often enough. And when it is, especially in the end scene, it simply summarizes what just happened, not his inner conflict.

Concerning the content:
For a script, that draws all of its dialogue from the book, the movie misses the original atmosphere. Essential scenes are left out, that show Hank in his prime. He is only depicted as a complete failure. It is not shown how he receives the check for his first sold story (only his mother opens it), *beep* the three girls on the boat or beats the record for fastest braking in cab driving school. And to me the dialogue seems far too slow, making Hank's witty banter while negotiating jobs or getting a check look very weak.
The point is, that he could and sometimes did very well in his job, but chooses to succumb to alcohol or sex instead of complying to a boring life of adaptation. Only in the end he is truly unable to perform any job, as he loses the love he found and his grip on reality. At the end, symbolically he is also not able to get an erection, which is never mentioned.
This discrepancy between Hank's once promising abilities and his will to not put them to any good use, is what makes the book work and what is miising in the movie.

Through all the drunkenness and *beep* if you read between the lines of the novel, you find one of the most sincere and real characters. But sadly NOT in this movie!

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Disagree. I felt all the actors were believable and not stereotypical movie drunks. They had the same weary way of talking and tight movements as Mickey Rourke from Barfly and the real Charles Bukowski (watch the documentary Born Into This). The book was episodic and the changes don't make much difference. I liked the scenes with Manny (Fisher Stevens) best. Those are almost verbatim from the book except they changed his work place to a bike shop - I think it was the auto parts shop in the book. Having it during the war only has relevance to a few scenes and people today would not relate to it as war service is much less common - like 1% of the population has served overall.

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Therein lies the problem with *any* movie based on a book. Every reader will conceptualize the characters in their own mind and almost no two people will agree on what that looks like to them. For this reason, I tend to avoid remakes (get tired of the constant comparisons) and movies based on books unless there has been a sufficient amount of time between reading the book and watching the movie. There has only been one time in recent history that I enjoyed a show over the books and that was the story of Sookie Stackhouse series which turned into "True Blood" on HBO (I think; as I watched it on DVD). All in all, sometimes, it's good to just enjoy a movie/show for what it is and expect nothing more.


"Get busy living, or get busy dying." Andy (The Shawshank Redemption)

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It's rare for me not to be disappointed after I read a book, then watch the movie based on that book. Still this film makes it highly unlikely I'll ever see out the original source material – not because of the lackluster production but because I'm not drawn to the subject matter. Nonetheless, I give this film a 6/10 based on decent performances by the leads.

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The book was much more grotesque and would be an NC-17 easily if they made a faithful adaptation, due to scenes like a fat whore raping him orally in his room. I disagree with others about the acting. I think they did a lot of research into how Bukowski actually talked and his habitual drunk way of walking and body language. See the documentary "Born Into This" with lots of footage of how Bukowski walked and talked and behaved. Lily Taylor is not a lightweight actor and should not be snubbed any more than Marisa Tomei here. Bukowski was a very blunt and vulgar writer who would try to say something in the most crude and offensive way that he possibly could. I would call it his style the grotesque or low class. As another writer would say toilet or john, he would say crapper or worse.

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I disagree. I think all the actors are very good and have the beer-soaked speech, rhythm, even the posture and body language of drunks. Watch the documentary Born Into This and see how the real Bukowski was... He had a very sardonic and flat way of speaking - like he was above everything or detached. He moved in the same tight stiff way. Matt Dillon researched his part. He wasn't just ad-libbing or doing the stereotypical drunk. The funniest scenes are the ones with Manny (Fisher Stevens), IMO, who looks younger than this old roles like the Short Circuit films and Hackers.

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