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Film = Govno (Crap) !


Just got done watching this doodoo. A few quick remarks:

1) The movie is irrelevant; it is about 15 years too late to be provocative. Sure, Afghanistan remains a powerful lesson in Soviet history but there is a war in Chechnya, why not do a movie about that?

2) The acting is decent at best although Porechenkov is the man. What spoils this movie is...

a) The plot is too predictable; it does not take a genius to figure out what's going to happen,
b) The characters don't gel; there is no camaraderie to speak of (no, I don't call having sex with the same girl 'camaraderie') but rather the movie portrays a bunch of guys trying to survive. There are no strong emotional ties to any one character because all of them are too plain and underdeveloped. I don't feel sad for anyone because by the end of the first hour, this too boring to watch,
c) This movie is a pretty low budget flick and it shows. The scenery is okay and the poppy flower field is beautiful (although that shot is too random) but there is not enough to capture viewers' imagination.... I could go on and on why this movie sucked.

3) Bondarchuk should be ashamed of directing this piece of garbage. I cannot believe he dedicated this movie to his dad who was an excellent director in his time (directed War and Peace!). There are some major problems in the country where a movie like 9-ya Rota gorsses $15 million in a little over one month release time. Makes me feel sick!

Don't waste your time and money!

9-ya Rota: 2/10
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Dimochka,

so your #1 and #2 assumptions failed because I am Russian. Yet, let me still reply. I did not like the movie for a few reasons as I have expressed in my earlier post but let me remind you and add a few more points. The movie was bad because the directing, the acting, and the plot were substandard. For this much hype surrouding this movie, just like another bummer "Nochnoy Dozor" - "Night Watch", I was expecting more, much more. Yet, what I saw was a corny drama about a few green kids going to war.

So please, unless you fought in Afghanistan, do not get overdramatic (I hope you did not cry during "9-ya Rota", how pathetic would that be?!) and tell me how it feels to fight for a collapsing country. I felt more power watching "Taegukgi hwinalrimyeo" - "The Brotherhood of War" and I am not Korean. But that was an excellent movie. But thank you nontheless for opening my eyes to one thing, as now I know who Bondarchuk tailored "9-ya Rota" to: low class, expletive spitting trash like you. Don't feel bad because there are many Russians like you, so you're in good company.

As it stands, "9-ya Rota" still reeks.

Best,
Misha.
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How am I "thrusting" my opinion onto others? I have a right to post and reply to offensive posts by others, no? For someone like me who have seen thousands of Russian movies I am entitled to my opinion. And so what if it is based on a real event? Had "9-ya Rota" been a documentary, your opinion would have been valid. But this is a so-called Russian "blockbuster" so I expect chemistry, plot, good action: entertainment, none of which was provided...
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XDURAKX is totally correct. The movie is load of crap of unbelievable magnitude, Fedor should be ashamed, and he should really not have mentioned his father's name in the closing.

To those teenagers who liked the movie and thought the movie depicted a real story (BTW in reality only 6 soldiers died in that incident, not a whole "ROTA" minus Lyutiy), read reviews from people who are more familiar with the Afgan topic:
http://oper.ru/torture/read.php?t=1045689085
http://oper.ru/torture/read.php?t=1045689086

I just want to confirm that the directing was really bad, and the prise for the worst acting would also go to Fedya. I guess he realized his directing was not going to do enough damage to the film, so he decided to act in it too.

Two thumbs way down.

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Sergey,

thank you.
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Da verna russkie parni eti Amerikanci neponimajut xorisij film. Vse ravno 4o oni tam barmu4it nenado ix slusat. OHu prosta zavidujet nam 4to mi zdelaji xorosij film. Za rodinu parni vpered!!! Ot Vladislava.


Ok and now americans you dislike good russian film, because you're film industries can't make good war film, exspecially, about Vietnam war in 60's. The best film about Vietnam war was "We were Soldiers". It was good but crap, because you showed That USA soldiers are so strong and you are siting in positions and Vietcong soldiers only run straith to the bullets. But 9.rota is good film - xorosij film - there Afganistan forces were smart and russian got big casulties. That I understand but not you're propogand films where USA forces are unbeatable.!

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Not in the actual battle, and if you think 'We Were Soldiers' is the best American movie about Vietnam you have not seen very many American Films about Vietnam.

I actually enjoyed 9ya Rota despite its failings. I can't agree with its unimportance, however, no more than American films about Vietnam (of which there are quite a few good ones). I was sad to see that it lacked a real heart, and I agree with other posters that the film had a slap-dash kinda approach. I wanted to see more about the politics behind the war, but lets pretend that the film was giving us the young men's own personal position, they didn't understand much about why they were there either.

I guess I approached it as a popcorn movie, and so I enjoyed it as a popcorn movie. It was certainly 100 times better than that Nochnoi Dozor garbage!


PAX...

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in that movie(we where soldiers) they where fighting the Vietnamese Army not the Vietcong. The Vietcong wore black pajama like outfits and sandals and used guerrilla warfare. But any way i own the film 9th Company, rota as they say in Russian I guess, And despite horribly translated subtitles it was a pretty good movie. Even though I never wanted to see the desert again...

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I pity the fool.
This movie wasn't good for a world cinema, but it's probably the best russian war movie made in post-soviet period.

4/10

www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=23949572 - vote history (>8500 titles)

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Armoreska - URLA !

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real funny, talbot12

www.imdb.com/mymovies/list?l=23949572 - vote history (>8500 titles)

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Wow you actually understood what I said. You're troll if you gave this movie 4/10 seriously !

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C'mon man. The guy has a valid opinion and presented good arguments for his opinion and you just call him dumb and go on to speculate and insult him. I'm sorry, but you're the only durak here.

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I don't know where to start so I will keep it short while your profile is still here.

It bothers me how aggressive most Russians have become. Rather than bring up coherent and intelligent arguments to defend your point, you simply try to silence and humiliate others. I suppose you still live in Russia so you are a product of your environment: crime, unemployment, lack of democracy.... Yet, you have yet to learn about the greatest right on this planet: freedom of speech. Just like you have a right to spit out your libelous, immature refuse, I have a right to talk freely about a movie I did not like (mind you, in a polite and civil manner, unlike you) without being called a traitor and threatened.

I don't know why I reply to a silly trash like you who registered onto this board to post twice about what's probably one of the worst Russian movies I have seen in a long time. Kid, wake up. You are as uncivil as most of the country you live in. They feed you garbage and you eat it up like it's candy. Good boy!
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Weird thing happens to all Russians who leave the country. I recall it is called "emmigrant's syndrome". They become aggresive towards their former home and start to hate all Russian.

Anyone who reads the posts of 'xdurakx' should be aware of such a mental disease.

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I think it is called "looking at things without a blindfold" and having an opinion that does not conform to the masses. And please, spell-check does help to make your point more valid and makes you sound like less of an idiot when you don't misspell "immigrant" and "aggressive".
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Thank you for opening my eyes! You know, I'm just a silly trash. I'm suffering of "crime, unemployment and lack of democracy" as you define it. I have a bad luck being citizen of this barbaric country where crappy movies like "9 rota" got $25mln of box office.

I shrink in humiliation.

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Don't name other person an idiot if your nick is xDURAKx, I guess that x means eXtreme. And, please, don’t give us links to Goblin’s review at http://oper.ru/. He is just a moral pygmy and is full of conceit. This movie isn't documentary it is just based on a historical event. And it is not about the war, it is about people at the war in Afghanistan. I talked with my father (he has been at that war in 1982-1984) and he said that there are technical mistakes in the movie (cars in columns are too close and some other features that are important only to educational military movies) but the life of Soviet soldiers in Afghan shown is very true. He said that it was as if he were again in Afghan when he saw that movie.

This movie is really worth to see and is very emotional.

P.S. In the real battle for 3234 height 6 out of 39 Soviet soldiers and about 200 Afghan ghosts including elite Usama Bin Laden's warriors 'Black Storks' were killed during 12 attacks from 3 directions.

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The 'ghosts' attack is depicted correctly, there were heavy mujaheddin losses.
But all 'war' scenes are ridiculous.
3 out of 10 for the film


PS.
The truth about the war is just in the midpoint between 'Goblin' and 'widespread' versions.

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I agree that this is not a classic, it's obvious but there ... this movie was not made to be an exotic picture of a fictional story - but it depicts true life as it is - life in it's plain and true colors...

"They feed you garbage and you eat it up like it's candy. Good boy!" - xdurakx
Are you sure you are unconsciously not referring to the US and the world which is fed by 90% of the Hollywood to be blockbuster hits and are

"tailored '...' to: low class, expletive spitting trash like you" - xdurakx

Only Hollywood has learned to satisfy by injecting the things you so much need and desire - camaraderie, plot, characters... I think you'll favor Jarhead (2005)...

I think ManWithoutFace put it well...

I will not even go on...

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I rather liked the movie. I love Hisaishi's music, so Rota's soundtrack was really The thing that made me enjoy the movie even more.
Maybe it's somewhat lacking in terms of complex story telling and also very predictable, but what isn't nowdays? Okay, maybe Revolver;)
I've seen lots of different war movies and most of them had one simple message:
Is this young boy's life worth it? So does 9-th rota. And it passes it's message straight. Russian films have gone really **** for the past 15 years, but 9-th rota is a good example of things improving.
I'd say 7/10.

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As for your 1#:

Why people today still make movies about WW2 which was more than 50 years ago?

I don't think 15 years mark any irrelevancy.

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"1) The movie is irrelevant; it is about 15 years too late to be provocative. Sure, Afghanistan remains a powerful lesson in Soviet history but there is a war in Chechnya, why not do a movie about that? "

then tell me why there are many movies about ww2 and so few about War in iraq ? accually there are no movies about war in iraq (a mean the second one not the desrt storm :/

and there allready is movie about chechnya it is called The War (Voyna) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0309047/ a very good movie too

" a) The plot is too predictable; it does not take a genius to figure out what's going to happen, "

what do you want if it is based on true story ? you to see how some aliens fly and kill some russians in the middle of the movie or what ? :/

accually i really liked this movie, and i just can't see why you hated it so much...

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Russian vodka is still the best! :)

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Nope, Polish is better :P

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I couldn't say the movie was trash, but I do agree with the rest of xdurakx arguments; this movie is so commercial it doesn't take a critic's eye to see that it was intended for thee masses;

take for comparison any American movie about Vietnam, Full Metal Jacket, Deer Hunter, Apocalypse Now or We were soldiers;

the story: I don't know how many Russian movies haave been made about Afghanistan, but this one is not the ultimate piece, the idea of forgotten army fighting in a foreign country for an ideal and a nation that no longer existed is poor and has not been articulated throughout the movie, until thee show-up of the high-rank officer who tells the survivors there's no more army to come;

the heroism and camaraderie of the unit made of fresh recruts: while the characters were so vivid and there was some good acting and good scenes,there was no real emphasis on individuals, and their acting seemed as such in certain moments, i.e the semtex/dildo scene;

the action: no real flow, no imagination: we have their arrival at Baghram - which is the single most impressive part of the movie (including the rocket fire at the jet), then several standoffs with the locals, and then the defending of the gorge, which takes some three reprises of the same sort of assault;

pan views and pirotechnics are fine, the actors seem dedicated, but individual action fights and situations are lacking inventivity, coming well below Taegugki or We were soldiers;

I was expecting to see any reference to the religious fanaticism of the talibans and to their backing by Americans, that would have added more substance to the movie and alslo more justification, but nothing, only some fantomatic black-dressed dudes shooting from every corner; and the most stupid scene of the movie, bombing the village because one of their own has bene shot by a kid;

the idea of war is hell and whoever doesn't know history doesn't know how to fight in Afghanistan: yeah, we've heard and seen seen that before, but nobody learns nothing...see Chechnya;

and speaking of Chechnya, why didn't you guys make a movie about that, it would have been much more actual?

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i don't even understand russian :p had no freaking subtitles but loved the movie anyway

< You imply disparity were none exists I am the collective. >

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why didn't you download the subtitles lol

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io_il:
You should watch "Chistilishe" - russian movie about the first war in Chechnya.
I think it is a single most brutal, cruel movie, showing what all the insides of the war... I never saw anything like it.

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I did see Chistiliche and I can honestly say it is the single most brutal film I have ever seen. It was very real and gave a lot to think about. Anyone who thinks war is romantic and noble, see this movie.

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and war game

look out there rowf its our island, dont u c it, we can b free, its a wonderful island

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The Afghanis are portrayed as they were seen from the Russian eyes. Scary, strange, mysterious. The only bad scene with AFghanis is the last one. The Afghan attack was just blank stupid.

There has been many movies about Chechnya. Some good some not so. I personally liked "Blockpost". But there has been no better large-screen "commercial" movie about war made in Russia. And there are much fewer movies about AFghanistan than about Chechnya.

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Movie might be not as historicaly accurate as it was advertised, and it sure has some of mistakes(big, small, w/e), but overall it is a good, somewhat emotional piece of modern Russian culture.
I understand why people might not like it, especially immigrants hating all russian(which is a totaly different topic), but if calling this movie "garbage"...
Doing that just shows your highly poor, stereotyped way of judging things. If it doesn't have a million-dollars-hollywood-special-effects and crazy, unpredictable plot - it doesn't mean that the movie is crap.

This movie definately worth time and money... hmm, no, just time, that I spend on it.
9ya Rota - 8/10


xdurakx - dude, kill yourself and save us from reading your ****** opinions in the future.

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