whats with his face?


i didnt get through the whole movie and i guess i missed the part where they talked about his redness.

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It's a birthmark.

The only reason you are still conscious is because I don't want to carry you.

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It's a birthmark, and yes some people do have those and they can be anywhere on the body, including on the face.

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A friend of mine in jr. high had the same thing. With laser treatment it was taken care of. By high school you couldnt even tell he ever had the birthmark.

I dont mean to say that vanity is everything but, Jacob was obviously bothered by it.

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How far did you get into the movie -- five minutes?

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It's called a port wine stain. My brother's girlfriend had to have plastic surgery to remove the one she had. It was too deep for laser surgery to fix. She may have to have more surgery to remove it completely. It is more complicated to remove than you might think.

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It can be isolated or a manifestation of Sturge-Weber Syndrome with has other features.

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And if you notice at one point in the movie Jacob is looking at a plastic surgery brochure. Later he looks in the mirror and sees himself as Rudy. Obviously he wants plastic surgery to remove the stain and sort of turn into Rudy. He already seems to be doing this throughout the movie as far as his attitude and personality goes. He starts out very wimpy and shy, and by the end of the movie he is tougher than Rudy ever was. He also takes over Rudy's role as the "tough brother" with his newly adopted brother. Complete role reversal for him from the beginning of the movie. Very good and interesting movie. Michael Cuesta is a great director and I look forward to his future movies.

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I didn't think it looked bad.

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A port wine stain is created by blood vessels forming on the skin. That's why it's so hard to remove.

Good luck.

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a friend of mine has a birthmark in all his left leg. It is expensive, isnt? how much?

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if I had a kid with a big red stain on his face, I would find some way to get it removed!!!!! his parents can see that he is quite disturbed by this disfigurement and his parents obviously favored Rudy and his mother even admitted it.

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she doesnt admit it as such.


She says that Rudy was easier to raise, meaning basically that Rudy was obviously the stronger brother, never had anything to be self concious about, wasnt as sensitive.
That doesnt mean they favoured him it just means that of both their kids he'd have been easier to deal with if he came home in the day upset cos some one teased him at school.
With Rudy they could tell him he'd be fine and a kid would grin and be like yeah sure, with Jacob they could tell him the same and he's gonna walk past a mirror and be reminded that even if he's fine with who and how he is, he still has something about him that other kids will see and target.

I agree with people who say that looks arent everything, cos they're not, but growing up, i was a middle child and i had a few nasty falls in my childhood and i had a really crooked nose. I was the 'ugly' middle child amidst my four gorgeous siblings(they where/are the ones at school every one crushed on and when i told people 'oh thats my brother/sister' they'd look at me like 'where you adopted???)and also, as a typical middle child i was the sensitive/angry one who tookl everything too personally etc etc blah blah emocakes or something!
My parents couldnt see the bump in my nose. And when i say bump i dont mean in a vain way like the littlest dint in the hooter, it was a big ass bend but cos my parents love me so much, they just couldnt see it and when i'd come home sobbing because i was miserable at school cos people had given me *beep* they'd be so confused. Eventually my mum broke down because seeing me so miserable was just too much for her and they let me get it fixed even though they where like 'fix what...' lol, just cos they wanted to see me smile.
Which i did!!yaay!lmfao
my point is hat when you have attractive siblings (i cant even imagine if i'd had a twin, one of us would be dead from murdering the other, lol) your own differences or 'ugliness' becomes about 100 times worse, to you, than it really is,and your parents often dont know how to deal with you because whethey they can see your 'ugliness' or not(and most parents just cant) they simply dont know how to deal with their children loathing something about themselves when all they want to do is tell you you're perfect, something you just dont want to believe.

Rudy's and Jacobs parents didnt favour either kid.
The way i started to see it was that...because they where the twins, Jacob was SORT OF a constant reminder that they'd lost a son, but also...that they'd lost the...easier son....not the one they loved more, just the one that they...knew how to deal with, i guess.
There was a sense to me, for a while that his parents stopped seeing Jacob in a way...i cant explain it but like...he became invisible almost, if only while his parents where dealing with their own grief.

Plus, as to your point about, if your kid had a port wine stain you'd get rid of it, as some one already said, some times these marks are VERY deep through the skin, they're not just on the surface so removing them is a much more complicated process than you'd think.
I sort of took this to be the case with Jacob, or at the very least that the option had been discussed and was probably being held off until either Jacob was older or, maybe till they had enough money or something.

'Take what ya can, give nothin'back'

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I have one a birthmark just like the kid in the movie, only larger. It covers half my face and the left part of the lip is permanently swollen as a result of it. It can't be removed by laser, I've tried so many times I lost count many years ago, and they can't very well cut off my face and put a new one on there.
So, they aren't that easy to remove, plus it's pretty painful depending on where the mark is (around the eyes, the lip, the tip of the nose are all very sensitive places). So please, stop complaining about parents not removing their kid's birthmarks, scars or whatever. Anyone who looks at me and pities me deserves a *beep* beating. This is just the way it is. Instead of trying to make all our kids look the same maybe we should teach them that it is quite alright to be different.

Good movie, by the way.

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I'm somewhat disturbed by the characterization of a birthmark as a "disfigurement." According to Webster's, the definition of disfigurement is as follows:

1. to impair (as in beauty) by deep and persistent injuries <a face disfigured by smallpox>

2. obsolete: disguise

While I don't deny that having a huge red birthmark on one's face might be somewhat disturbing (and I certainly wouldn't want one), but to characterize it as a "disfigurement", in my opionion, is inappropriate.

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I also thought the word "disfigured" was too harsh. I could be overly sensitive because I have a nephew born with a port wine stain that covers practically half his face. I do not see the mark when I look at him I just see him for the wonderful young man that he is and not the colorization on his skin.
I was so disturbed by the word "disfigured" that I sent in a request to edit the plot-outline submitted anonymously. I also added teenage to better describe the type of hormones.

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I didn't think it looked bad.


Neither did I. I can understand him resenting it though because it makes him "different". But yeah, I thought he looked just fine.

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An old elementary school teacher I used to have, has on her face like that, only it was bigger. She's probably in her 60's now, and it was never removed.

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Birthmark for sure, but he didn't look bad.

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