just saw the trailer and it said it got an R rating for "sexual content involving minors". I understand these kids are "actors" but c'mon, they turning 15 yet they have sexual scenes here? What happens in the movie? How bad is this sex scene?
shareOne word, "Kids". That was a very graphic movie with teenagers, and although they may have been older in real life, they still portrayed characters who were 11-15.
shareThe reason why I asked this film is because the film's done showing here in our country. The dvd is coming and I don't want to waste money to test if it's good for my kids. Now can anyone at least tell me how bad the sex scene was, or beter yet, describe it. Jesus, these are kids we're talking about!!!
shareeven if it does have a sex scene, and it is graphic, who cares?
kids have to know what sex is, and if in fact you are doing a good job as a parent, then that sex scene wont affect them like you think it will, and they will actually learn not to do things
that it, if you are a good parent...
of corse you can be the bad parent who blocks out all bad things untill they are 18, then they jump into the world and get shocked at how bad it is, cuz the parents were too anal to actually show thier kids what the world is like
and that, is if you are a bad parent
an optimist might say that if it is a mild sex scene, it would be okay for your kids, and it its an extreme sex scene, it will scare them away from early sex.
but it also depends on the age group of kids you're planning to show it to. i mean, if they're 17 or something, its probably okay, but if they're like 5 then its probably inappropriate.
I believe the "sexual content" is merely a 12-year-old girl spying on an adult man while he is in the shower and later attempting to seduce him and failing. I don't recall anyone having sex in this movie, so I don't see what the fuss is about. What I found much more upsetting was....
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...Leonard's imprisonment of his mother and his own near death--not to mention the other child deaths in the movie! I'd be much more concerned about a child's response to that material than to a little sexual "situation."
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I saw this at an advance screening yesterday, and DryToast's description is accurate. There's no sex in this movie. (I don't know if that counts as a spoiler...)
Whether you allow your kids to see this might best depend on their own level of maturity and sensitivity. The child actors are really good...very convincing...their emotion seems so real and raw that someone who is very sensitive might be overaffected by the movie, whereas another child might not even blink an eye.
Oh, and of course there's a little bit of profanity.
Wow, who knew you were the expert on parenting? Incredible!
"That is, if you are a good parent..."
What a condescending pr**ck you are.
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When you have children you can comment on what we'll allow our children to watch. If you're already a parent stop using childish leet. cuz is not a word and its "course" unless you're refering to the place. Beng a good parent isn't possible to define becuase every child is different. I can let one of my kids play violent games becuase it doesn't effect his being. my other child can play them because he starts talking wierd. You'll realize this when you have children, there is no manual becuase all kids are different. now, piss off little man.
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dmer1...If you call someone out on improper spelling, grammar, and/or punctuation, make sure your response doesn't contain these same errors.
"When you have children (missing comma) you can comment on what we'll allow our children to watch. If you're already a parent (missing comma) stop using childish leet. (Capital C) cuz is not a word and it(missing ')s "course" unless you're (referring) refering to (a) the place. (Being) Beng a good parent isn't possible to define becuase every child is different. I can let one of my kids play violent games becuase it doesn't (affect) effect his being. (Capital M)my other child (can't) can play them because he starts (speaking) talking (weird) wierd. You'll realize this when you have children(period), (Capital T)there is no manual (because)becuase all kids are different. (Capital N)now, piss off little man."
That's a total of 16 spelling, grammatical, or punctuation errors in only eight sentences. Finally, anyone can tell you how to raise your child. It's up to you whether or not you take their advice.
"When you have children you can comment on what we'll allow our children to watch"?
Why don't YOU, since your the PARENT, watch the movie and then YOU can decide whether to let YOUR children watch it or not? Just because somebody has children does not mean they have a clue how to raise them. A Doctor doesn't have to have a disease in order to cure somebody that does.
I'm sure your major concern is the kids, its rated R and it states it sex involving minors, and that should be all you need to know, im tired of people coming to these boards asking for descriptions of sex scenes claiming its because of kids. When really we all know its for you.
shareThe fact that the film is Rated R is enough to show warning. It is rated R for a reason. There's no sex scene, but plenty of violence and profanity. not a good film for children.
shareThere WAS NO sex scene! The Adult acted responsibly.
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The sex scenes ain't that strong but only because it involves a 12 year old girl I guess thats why and of course the language too, the F word are being used a couple of times..
shareI had wondered after reading this if you did get the dvd and let your
children see the movie. I don't have much of a problem for young teens
seeing a bad shape of a male's butt or bring him chinese at his work place
semi dressed up like a date. What I did find was the cussing, treat to
adults or children with children talking back to the parents or shutting them
up in a basement though I am sure this has been done in some like way by children on how their parents were treating them, for their own good. Now for a twelve yo to throw themselves to an adult and if the response was best who would know what was best, that was the disturbing bit to me but for a young teen it may be disturbing in a different way.
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This is NOT a movie for kids, just because it has kids in it! I repeat, NOT A KIDS MOVIE!
shareThere is no sex in the movie at all. the trailer has no sexual content in it, where did you get that?
shareWhy is it that some seem to be so concerned about sex yet show little concern about violence? Is there any evidence that viewing a sex scene will harm someone?
shareYeah, I just don't get all the furor over a non-sex scene, OR violence OR profanity.
There isn't a word in this movie any 12 year old doesn't know and use daily.
I would have LOVED to have shown this movie to my own Son when he was 12.
He's 20, and we watched it together on IFC pay per view.
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Touchy people may find problems with this but I've seen movies where the sexual content was much heavier, the violence MUCH, MUCH heavier, and the profanity so much that editing it all out may leave you with 30-40 minutes of film. This film is pretty tame. My parents would probably enjoy it if they picked it.(Of course, me being the one who discovered it, they'll be extra vigilant looking for things to nitpick. lol)
shareThere was one scene where Zoe sees Jeremy Renner in the shower without his knowledge. They show his naked behind. In the other scene Zoe thinks she is all grown up and asks Jeremy to have sex with her. I believe she is naked under her robe, which she removes. We do not see anything and Jeremy calls her mother to come get her. I took my children to see it before it was rated and felt a little uncomfortable during that scene because Jeremy seemed to be thinking it over. If I tell you any more about what he was thinking, I will spoil the end of Jeremy's story line.
shareThe main character's story arc, especially as it pertains to his relationship with his mother, is far more disturbing than the "sexual" situations.
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Well I mean, look, if it's porn I say keep your kids from it , not that I can force anyone. sometimes there are offscreen sexual encounters, or sexual referencees....however that is different then outright porn.
If there was outright porn or nudity, the discribtion for why it was R would say "nudity".
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The problem here is you have to ask how young is too young (5? 10? 15?), what is consent (parental needed? no? yes?) whats the definition of sexual, etc etc etc.
You open the door a bit and you get loop-holes for some director to put a couple kids nekkid together sexually with their (at the time) consent and lets them go to town.
Do they fully understand the consequences (mentally and physically) of what theyre doing?
Yea sure a good person will make sure its ok, but you get some shady pedo 'directing' a movie in his basement and its legal.
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Wow, finally someone who has some intelligence (you must not be an American). Finally someone who understands that kids have sexual feelings far younger than most parents want to believe, because hey, they want their kids always to be their precious, innocent babies. It's not a bad thing. Most kids don't want to think about their parents having sexual feelings, or sexual intercourse either..but they do know their parents do it: they aren't stupid. But then parents treat this act like it is something secret, forbidden, and only for adults, which makes kids that much more interested in exploring it.
I am 23, and it might shock some people to know that I started having sexual thoughts at the age of 6. And the truth is, with kids, the more you tell them that sex is wrong or forbidden, the more they are going to want to experience it. Not only that, but kids bodies go through the "change" around the age of 12, or 13, when their hormones actually start making them feel like they are ready for sex. Of course, I was a fast developer, I started feeling that way around 10 or 11. And the fact that adults would try to hide the act from me, and not be open and forthcoming about it, made it that much more enticing.
Adults are not that much different than children. Just as Gregh-4 said, by hiding the images of a child's body, you are "fetishizing" it. By hiding these images, you make the act of viewing them more exciting than it would be normally for pedophiles, as well as the many people who find any type of sexual act that is forbidden alluring. And to different degrees, everyone on the planet experiences that.
Bottom line, regardless of what the movie contains, as long as its not porn (and its not porn, otherwise it wouldn't even be rated R), it's most likely something very natural: an expression of the emotions and experiences that life is all about. And people like to see that, and relate. In fact, these kinds of movies are actually very healthy, because it makes people realize that these kinds of things are very normal. And from what I understand, the adult in this movie considered doing something wrong (as I promise 90% of the heterosexual men would have) but in the end made the right decision. In totality, this sounds very healthy.
Now I just have to watch it....LOL
Actually, it's probably more like 99.9% of heterosexual male would have...
shareI feel very sad for you. Obviously, you weren't taught the right way. You will someday have a relationship that means sooooooo much to you that you will feel ashamed and sorry for all that you have done with other people. You will feel so sad that you didn't save yourself for them. You will feel so sad that they have had such intimate relations with others as well. Sex is meant for a purpose and it is for intimacy with the one you choose for a life mate. If you never feel love so great that you are ashamed for your past intimacies (as I can only assume you've been doing things since you were very young!!!), it could very well be because of your past intimacies!!! It's nothing to take lightly and joke about! There are things that are to be kept private and there is reason for it. I speak from past experience. My spouse and I regret doing anything we did prior to marriage...and our love is soooooo awesome that if I could have done it all over again, I would have never sold myself out early. This is what I will teach my children! It is a selfish, foolish person who sees things like you have described!
shareHahahaha excellent. Kudos to you, you're an excellent and imaginative troll.
share"I feel very sad for you. Obviously, you weren't taught the right way. You will someday have a relationship that means sooooooo much to you that you will feel ashamed and sorry for all that you have done with other people. You will feel so sad that you didn't save yourself for them. You will feel so sad that they have had such intimate relations with others as well. Sex is meant for a purpose and it is for intimacy with the one you choose for a life mate. If you never feel love so great that you are ashamed for your past intimacies (as I can only assume you've been doing things since you were very young!!!), it could very well be because of your past intimacies!!! It's nothing to take lightly and joke about! There are things that are to be kept private and there is reason for it. I speak from past experience. My spouse and I regret doing anything we did prior to marriage...and our love is soooooo awesome that if I could have done it all over again, I would have never sold myself out early. This is what I will teach my children! It is a selfish, foolish person who sees things like you have described! "
Most people never have a life mate and for those who have most of them don't care if the whoman or man they meet have had sex before they met them because they will love them just as much a virgin or not. There is nothing about sex to feel ashamed about, it's as natural as breathing. If you want to "save" yourself for the right one well that's your problem but don't try to force it down other peoples throats and say we'll regret it because clearly most people don't. I've never regretted sex in my entire life. BTW I bet you'll get a divorce sooner or later. Just to sum it up, don't expect everyone to be like you. I won't tell my children who they can and can't have sex with because I will trust the right choice there. By forbidding your children to have sex when they are teenagers you will only make it so much more interesting and they WILL definetly have it as soon as they can decide such things for themselves (18 years of age I guess), they probably will before too btw. If I loved someone as much as you described I would NEVER judge her or care about what her sexlife was like before me. BTW you do know that in most cases when people get married they say that they have met the one and they will be together for the rest of their life but most of the time that is not the case so don't fool yourself to much, eventually you will probably be tired of him/her or maybe the other way around.
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It is because of the culture we live in that you NEED to shelter your children from nudity and porn. If we lived in a culture where people didn't clothe themselves, it wouldn't be a problem, now would it!? Get a clue...our nation is going to hell in a handbasket and a big part of the problem are all the people out there who think it is a-okay to let kids see anything they want! I have news for you...there are adults who don't care to see sex and nudity in films! It's not necessary and it is pornography! There is only one reason it is there...for people who are disgusting to be drawn to watch the movie! There is no other reason for it! It's soft porn and you are lying to yourself if you think any different. Anyone who watches and supports the movie industry in this disgusting way should reconsider their values and morals. ESPECIALLY ANYONE WHO THINKS IT'S OKAY FOR CHILDREN TO DO IT!!! Making it acceptable is what is making it all too easy for children to have pre-marital relations. Then we have abortions and babies having babies and the circle continues! We truly need to protect our children's hearts and I am appauled by some peoples views!!!!!
shareFirst of all, this movie doesn't contain any sex, nor any obscene nudity.
Second, I don't understand what's wrong about having relations before marrige. Of course you should always try to be aware of what you're doing. Going around and having sex with a bunch of people ain't the best thing you can do with your youth. But if you have strong emotions towards another person, if it feels right in that very moment, who's to say that's not love?
The problem with your arguments is that you talk about "children" as if there's only one kind. Are you talking about 5-year-olds? 'Cause sure, there's no need to exploit them sex. Or are you perhaps talking about 15-year-olds? 'Cause then they SHOULD know what sex is. To keep it taboo is to make it more dangerous. I was 13 when we had lectures in school about protection and diceases. It wasn't too early, and I don't know of any student or parent who thought so.
Instead of trying to shelter all children under the age of 18 from sex, educate them on what it is. If the youth learns about the consequences, perhaps the ones who wishes to, can draw the same conclusions as gmalayman. If someone decides to wait until marrige, that's great for them. But it should be the choice of the individual human being. Sex isn't a nasty and horrible thing. It's an act of love. And just 'cause someone's under 18 doesn't mean they can't love.
"You'd probably freak out if you rented and watched the foreign film "Cement Garden" (underage nudity and sexualized scenes galore, between brother and sister)"
I've seen that. It didn't have anything really shocking in it...only maybe the part where the brother is busy masturbating while his father is having a heart attack. That's a pretty tame film (and book, if you realized it was based on a book. I've read it.)
As for 12 and Holding, it sounds like there are a lot of people here ready to show minors sex scenes because "some of them feel horny and are ready for it," and they condemn anyone more conservative who wants to keep minors from seeing and engaging in sexual material. It's not that we deny kids have sexual feelings or are sexual beings, it's that they are KIDS. Children. Minors. Which means they aren't mature enough, smart enough, or mentally capable of handling everything that goes with sex.
Someone here talked about showing "the consequences" of sex. Well would you feel comfortable bringing a 10 or 12 year old into an abortion clinic to watch one being performed? How about bringing a child into a labor and delivery room to see a baby being born? How about bringing them to an AIDS ward to watch people die because of the "consequences" of sex? How about showing them graphic photos of disease due to STD's? Are children's minds capable of absorbing that material and processing it simply because they might have sexual stirrings at a young age?
I myself had sexual feelings from about age 6, but when I found out what sex was about at 8 or 9, I was pretty horrified with it. In no way was I capable of handling being exposed to any kind of graphic material because I did not yet have the maturity to deal with it properly.
You are all so ready to condemn the conservative who want to protect kids until they are more mature -- it sounds like you advocate kiddie porn. I seriously think that anyone who says that minors and graphic sex go together is "normal" or "healthy" seriously has to have some kind of pedophilic things going on whether in the conscious or subconscious.
We aren't talking about adults and sex, we are talking about children. And what does feeling horny have ANYTHING to do with anything? Your brain controls your body and your choices. If more people starting using that melon on their necks to actually exert some self control, we would not have so many people with STD's, abortions and unwanted kids.
You can defend sex but you can not defend the sexual exploitation of children. If sex is part of a child, great, leave it there. Don't use it for your own sick thrills.
There is no sex in this film, anyway. the scene was tastefully and powerfully done.
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It's a pity that you try to put yourself completely on the opposite site of the former poster, and in fact both of you have so many good lines.
Too many people deny that children are sexual beings. But they are. They are born as boys and girls, have XX or XY chromosomes, and that defines their sexuality. Frogs are sexual beings, birches are sexual beings, and so are humans from the moment of their conception to the moment of their death.
However, as everything else, the shape and level of sexuality changes during life, and as everything else the approach to this sexuality should be adequate to the age. Sorry, mistake: to maturity. Because some 10 years old kids are more mature than some adults will ever be.
I can already see posts where people attack me for saying that a 10 year old should be considered mature enough to have sex. And of course demand Interpol to find me and after a lot of torture send me directly to hell where I belong.
But this is not what I have said (though they will "know" what I "had in my pervert mind"). Just the opposite: I meant that a 10 year old that mature will know and understand what sex is and why he/she should not rush into practicing it, why is it so important not only to humans, but to all creatures in the world (whoever we may believe that created them, they all need sex to exist and are created as sexual beings), what responsibility comes together with its importance. How many adults never reach that?
Just imagine a well protected child that even doesn't go to school (home teaching), never meets peers, no socialization. After becoming teen certain rebellion will have to appear, and in such a situation probably it won't be the usual kind (clothing style, music, maybe some parties or short runaways, and for sure including in some peers groups). Either alone, or with some poor similar soul this teen can very likely start drinking (taking drugs is less probable because of too small chances to get them) and become an alcoholic before sixteenth birthday. Once this teenager turns 18, can you for sure say that this is an age of consent, an age of maturity? And will such a person (and this is just one among countless examples) ever reach the maturity we think of when talking about adults?
Well would you feel comfortable bringing a 10 or 12 year old into an abortion clinic to watch one being performed? How about bringing a child into a labor and delivery room to see a baby being born? How about bringing them to an AIDS ward to watch people die because of the "consequences" of sex? How about showing them graphic photos of disease due to STD's? Are children's minds capable of absorbing that material and processing it simply because they might have sexual stirrings at a young age?
Children engage in sexual activity out of curiosity and nature. Not because they are or are not exposed to it.
shareI must agree with imaginarytruths -- the violence is much more disturbing than the sex. Yet, all these parts are necessary to the story. There is violence and sex in the world with which our children must contend. The movie handles these really well, and can be a launching place for great conversations with your children. I wouldn't preview it, but I would view it with my children. Of course, this is not a movie you rent/watch for pure entertainment -- this is a thinking movie.
shareSince this is over a year later I'm going to spoil here, lol.
He wasn't mulling it over. In the later scene w/ Zoe's character's mother he explained an extrememly disturbing incident in his firefighting career involving a brownstone being taken out and this little girl surviving but begging for him to kill her. He explains to the therapist the reason this had to do w/ Zoe's character was that she had the same look on her face as the little girl in the fire, she just wanted him to take the pain away.
So to me he wasn't thinking it over, he was affected by what was happening in the sense of his own trauma.
any sex scene is bad at least in your twisted world, oh wait, 12 year olds don't have sex, they don't even think about it. they just watch tv and pray to jesus, pray that they won't get horny and have sex with each other or maybe the perv down the street. what a wonderful world you live in, i'm glad i don't
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Actually nodoubtavril 'we parents' live in a fantasy world where aren't pedos and other weirdo's around. The question isn't whether children can have thoughts or desires, but their avenue of expressing their feelings.
shareJust an observvation...
I am English and lived in Denmark for a while.
The pornographic material - and I mean front covers showing everything but the orgasm - is on the BOTTOM shelf in stores - Asda, Netto, and 'corner shops'. Usually next to the sweets.
I shrank away from this being a pompous victorian git, I mean having a stiff upper lip - it scared me until I saw how the children were reacting. It was just a picture of a naked woman..and a man...doing something...
I discussed this with my girlfriend and was confused to find there were virtually NO RAPES or sexual abuse of ANY kind in Denmark, Sweden, Norway....
One thing this area of the world has in common is an open book about sex. That which you hide becomes Taboo and unreachable - a sure temptation to any child/teenager. Smoking, drugs, booze - it all happens anyway, and the further away we hide it, the harder the children/Teens reach for a taste of it.
Yet consider this:
If the basic understanding of your sexual nature was cleared up by the time you were starting Puberty; ie Most questions answered and a few magazines scanned through - not diagrams shown. Then by seeing this stuff and having it spoken about in such a natural way (My girlfriend caught her mom and dad at it when about 7 or 8 - they said they were having sex and could she come back later...she never blinked an eye - they could have been washing the pots), then one of the scariest, exciting, hurtful, meaningful and confusing learning curves children battle through will be SO MUCH easier to come to terms with. Their concentration isn't bombarded with moments of 'Blouse Staring' or 'Willy Watching', because their undertanding in general is better because they KNOW what these feelings are, and don't have to sneak around feeling Guilty/slutty/unfaithful...after all every woman has boobs and every bloke has a willy. Whats so special?
If you don't get the point, think about how YOU found out about sex...would your puberty and subsequent experimentation been easier/worse/better? had you previously had a clear visual and educational understanding of it...
Sorry for the ramble - I have two daughters. That should explain everything..
Didn't I say that I agree with his points? I simply was stating that the way he said it was a**-holish. Read before you post.
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There is no sex scene. Zoe Weizenbaum's character takes off her kimono and shows her bare back, but that's all. Nothing you couldn't show on TV.
shareTHERE IS NO SEX SCENE SO STOP TALKING ABOUT IT
just see the movie it's awesome, and if your kid is smart than show them the movie. You people like to talk alot about things you haven't even watched. So before you all form judgements about what you may or may not have heard watch the movie. But again I repeat there is no sex scene just a girl with a crush.
If it's rated R then why show it to your kids? :rolleyes:
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That's got to be the most sensible reply to this thread yet. Over here in Germany, we get Tits and Ass and Tonsil hockey and perky nipples with our commercials. We get it on our magazine covers and newspapers. All out in the public for everyone and their children to see. That said:
The movie IS rated R and from conversation in this thread it's apparent that it's because of the violence, language, and theme. Not because it's some disguised kiddie porn. Seeing breasts and butts isn't going to hurt any NORMAL, HEALTHY kid on this planet. The violence and language is another story.
Just because it's rated R doesn't mean it's banned from those under 18 or should it be. The rating just means you can't see it in a theatre without a parent, and as the director says in his commentary, this is a film that an intelligent 11-17 year old should see WITH A PARENT to discuss what happens in it. I think it was amazing movie and that kids can relate to the characters at the same age, but should not see it without a parent because the things that happen do need to be discussed. Not just the sex......
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