I find this highly amusing that you're the one getting so annoyed here and atking things way too personally, even questioning people's morals because they don't side with the villain but also don't think he is 100% evil.
That's why I said "not morally". Alright, my last post to hein wa my last post to hein, and this will be my last post to you, since your argument has grown repetitive.
("Hein"?) Ah...If anything, YOU'RE the one who keeps saying the same things. I'm spacing out my evidence and you keep replying with the same argument. You don't seem to understand that Tales games are anything but black and white. It's not pure good vs evil. They make you think about the choices you make, if it's really the right thing to do.
Dun dun dun, time for my Dhaos argument. I'll make it short and simple so you can understand, hopefully. :)
Yes, Cless and the others had a right to defend themselves. I'm not in any way saying that what they did was wrong. When someone attacks you, you defend yourself. Period. BUT, there was always the question that if what they did, KILLING him, was right. Because by killing him, they essentially committed genocide on his entire race on Derris Kharlan, since he was the only person who was able to travel to Aselia (at the cost of many of his own people's [and paramour's] lives). Basically, it was a stalemate, once one side won then the other side would completely perish. Cless was the one to doubt in the end of the GAME and Klarth was the one to realize it in the anime. "So all this was to save his home planet, huh...?" or something along those lines. I certainly don't condone Dhaos for what he did, but I can certainly sympathize with him. Especially since he said in game and in anime that humans don't accept those who are different and he has come to realize that. This suggests that he, at first, tried to diplomatically ask for mana for his planet (or something along those lines) but the kingdoms within Aselia refused and tried to kill him again and again. It also didn't help that they were creating Magitechnology and screwing themselves over, as seen in Cless and Mint's time.
...Good enough for you? Or shall I go further? I have a crapload more on Dhaos than I do on Mithos.
Anyway, back to Mithos.
I take it you haven't read the manga at all. I'm talking about the Ex-load volume, which covers certain sidequests and character's backstories in greater detail. The specific chapter I'm talking about is the one where Genis and Mithos get the cure for Raine's Ozette fever. Mithos and Genis really valued each other as friends (as seen in the game and the end of the chapter). Genis was the one who wanted Lloyd to destroy the exsphere "while he's still himself."
If Yuan and Kratos could still mature while being the same kind of beings, themselves, then so could Mithos. And he did change in 4000 years, just not for the better as his obsession with his sister began to take over the rest of his priorities.
*sigh* Kratos had Anna to change him, and Yuan had the memory of Martel, the Renegades, and a slightly more mature mind to change him. Who did Mithos have? No one.
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If you remember, Kratos very much wanted to kill Kvar, because he killed Anna, he would have wanted to kill Mithos if it was his fualt, but it wasn't.
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Yes, it was. Kratos could have killed Kvar at any time, and Mithos honestly wouldn't have given half a damn as shown that he never even mentions his fallen Cardinals. It was Lloyd's reappearance that made Kratos come back to life, so to speak, and he realized that he should never have followed Mithos again. He even said so, himself.
And as I said, even on the chance that Mithos didn't order it, then he's still responsible for Kvar. End of discussion.
? You're not making any sense. If it really was Mithos' fault, as you so desperately claim, then why didn't Kratos kill Mithos instead?
Uh...Kratos probably saw no reason to kill Kvar because doing so wouldn't being Anna and Lloyd back. And you're right, Kratos did "reawaken" after Lloyd showed up, and so did his vengence
Mithos HAD NO IDEA UNTIL AFTER THE FACT. And the relationship between the Grand Cardinals is something like this...
1. Don't piss Mithos off.
2. Do what Mithos wants.
3. Don't diss Martel.
4. Don't call him Mithos. Refer to him as "Lord Yggdrasil."
5. Do whatever else you want, he doesn't give a damn.
In any case, the only reason Mithos didn't do anything else to Kratos afterwards was because he thought he learned his 'lesson'. He didn't value Kratos outside of Origin's Seal anymore. Stop trying to make Mithos sound like a nice guy!
Okay, I'm using you're own words here. "He didn't grow up because he didn't want to." Mmkay then, that means that he still sees Kratos the way he did 4000 years ago. His teacher, his only human friend, AS WELL AS Origin's seal. The only reason he didn't kill Yuan even, when he found out that he was the leader of the Renegades, was because he and Martel were in love with each other.
Okay, I've probably missed parts of your argument and feel free to bring them to my attention, but I'm at school right now and it's very distracting. -_-
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