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we should not call it circumcision but excision/mutilation


circumcision allow men to enjoy sex, the excision done to these girls prevent them
from ever experiencing sexual pleasure, not mention many die or have complications after the "butchery", like end up not able to conceive which makes them undesirable and not marrigeable...so please don't compare it to male circumcision!!! it is insulting to all these women.

PS: I am caucasian and I am against any kind of abuse.

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Actually women are still able to experience some sexual pleasure after undergoing the procedure and in fact in one study 90% of the women admitted to experiencing orgasm. The more severe the procedure the less pleasurable it probably is though. Many women also consider the rite to be a form of empowerment. This does not mean however that it is not dangerous practice. Because it is no ingrained in their culture and has important meaning to them though they need to be able to replace it with a different, safer practice which would still be symbolic.

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Could you please give the ref. to this study? Thanks.

With all due respect, I am very sceptical that 90 % experience orgasm...I wonder what group of women they had and how objective was the study.

The purpose of excision is too prevent women from experiencing pleasure so if 90 %
experience orgasm that would defeat its initial purpose...so why do it???

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by ACA13 (Sat May 24 2008 23:56:26)

PS: I am caucasian and I am against any kind of abuse.


Bonjour, Hola, Salaam, Aloha, Hej, Shalom,

Just wonderin' ova heah . . . ¿why do you feel that it is necessary to mention your particular race—"caucasian"?

In peace,

Interscepter


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why do you feel that it is necessary to mention your particular race—"caucasian"?

This is my question too.
Female Genital mutilation is a disgusting atrocity that should not be happening, nor should have ever happened previously. A procedure that causes pain and disfigurement if it goes well is just a disturbing thought.
I must say though, part of this film was ruined for me because I'd seen 'The Book of Mormon' that contained an African General threatening to cut the girls of the village and there were songs around the subject which were hilarious and my brain kept reminding me of that.

"God, when I meet you, I'm gonna be pretty. If it's the last thing I do. I'll be a beautiful angel."

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In what world does circumcision allow men to enjoy sex? It dulls sensation severely.

"Circumcision: A Violent Ritual in Search of a Rationale

-by J. Steven Svoboda

The fact that infant circumcision still happens today is astounding. (This article is principally concerned with non-religious circumcision.) If we are male, when we are just hours or days old, doctors cut off one of the most sensitive parts of our body. The operation is violent, usually performed without anesthesia, and unspeakably painful to the infant. The screams, the shaking, the frantic attempt by the newborn to escape this unexpected and unbearable pain can be truly horrible to watch- let alone experience. Concrete medical evidence demonstrates that relative to an adult, the circumcision experience is significantly more traumatizing to an infant, who has not yet developed methods to cope with pain and whose neurological pathways are not yet fully developed. The pain permanently and irreversibly alters portions of the developing brain responsible for pain perception and memory. Researchers found that boys who had been circumcised, four to six months after their circumcisions, displayed heightened physiological pain responses to inoculative shots as compared to girls and boys who had not had the experience of circumcision. In some, the procedure also causes a broad range of documented traumas including learned helplessness, disruption of maternal-infant bonding, suppression of empathy, and damage to self-esteem and body image. Societies tend to be blind to the horrors they create themselves. And so are we regarding male circumcision.

American beliefs that circumcision destroys only a small amount tissue, and that the tissue lost is of no particular value, are not confirmed by medical research. Medical researchers recently documented that the average circumcision removes over half of the surface tissue on the shaft of the penis and many specialized nerve endings, substantially curtailing sexual sensitivity. Somewhat remarkably, given their constituencies, even the American Medical Association and the American Academies of Pediatrics have admitted that there is no justification for routine circumcision.

Circumcision as a medical (as opposed to religious) procedure was born in this country in the 19th century as a technique aimed at stopping young boys from masturbating by reducing their ability to feel genital pleasure. The pain of the procedure was explicitly cited by doctors as a "positive" byproduct of the operation. John Harvey Kellogg, M.D., creator of Kellogg's Corn Flakes, said of circumcision, "The operation should be performed without anesthetic, as the pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment." Many doctors also recommended circumcision of girls for similar reasons.

By reducing masturbation, male circumcision would supposedly cure a range of conditions including epilepsy, hip trouble, "imbecility," asthma, paralysis, and alcoholism. As time went on, whenever any new disease would become a subject of social concern, circumcision would be proposed as a panacea. Examples of problems which circumcision was later claimed to cure include sexually transmitted diseases (with blacks being particularly scapegoated for circumcision), penile cancer, prostate cancer, cervical cancer in women, and urinary tract infections.

We should instead be guided by the sort of abhorrence we would have to a suggestion that, for example, a newborn baby girl's breast tissue be removed to guard against the high incidence of breast cancer in adults. Under standard medical practice, amputation is a treatment of last resort.

Circumcision, like any medical procedure, has complications. These occur at a rate of two to ten percent-depending on the definition of "complication" - and include a number of deaths each year. At least dozens of baby boys die in the U.S. every year from this needless procedure.

Circumcision destroys a male's capacity for certain sexual sensations and dulls other sensations. The "triple whammy" of lost sexual sensitivity resulting from circumcision includes: loss of the foreskin nerves, damage to and exposure of the glans, and loss of skin mobility.

Men circumcised in adulthood have summed up the overall difference in sensation as similar to the contrast between seeing in color and in black and white. There is reason to think that the loss may be even greater for men circumcised as infants, as most men are. Sexual pleasure continues to be reduced as circumcised men age until, in many cases, we are left with relatively little sensation. Like many circumcised men in their late thirties or early forties, I have noticed a dramatic loss of sensitivity in recent years, due to the continuing buildup of layers of keratin over the mucous membrane which remains exposed on our penises after the foreskin is removed.

Some men who understand themselves to be harmed by their circumcisions report being depressed to the point of feeling suicidal or feeling deep rage at their parents and/or physicians. Men experiencing these profound feelings of loss and anger generally have little social support. Some men, upon revealing their distress at having lost a body part they value, have received cruel responses from their counselors.

Male and societal denial regarding harm does not negate the harm. There are at least two reasons we have not heard a great deal from men angry about or physically damaged by their circumcision. First, the millions of circumcised men who hate what was done to them do not speak out for fear of ridicule. The second reason is that most men are unaware of what they lost. It is important to remember that not only the male victims, but society as a whole is denying the existence of harm."

Male circumcision isn't as violent or as terrible but its still a pointless operation that no good has EVER come of which has killed children (at a lower rate certainly) and causes loss of stimulation.

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It's now called Female Genital Mutilation.

I'm scared of the middle place between light and nowhere

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