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Ok it's still bugging me


First of all, I actually enjoyed this film much more than I thought I would. The acting was surprisingly good, and I like how they achieved the whole 'serial killer' effect without tons of gore. I also feel it was more realistic in many ways than other films in this genre (i.e how Liz was confused with how to properly use the guns. I love how in most films like this, they just assume the average 19 (or however old) year old girl has experience loading, firing, and reloading various gun models lol. I know I would be pretty damn confused)

BUT *spoilers*
The scene where Liz goes in to save Kristy and manages to shoot the guy...she unties her friend and then just whacks him twice on the back??? I don't know why but this is still bugging me! I would take advantage of the fact that he's unconscious and make sure he's either dead, or will not move without medical help lmao! I mean...whack his head...multiple times.. his legs...find a brick... do whatever! But the fact that she just left him there with a minor gunshot and two halfhearted hits to the back irked me! I know she probably was not thinking clearly but still...crazy serial killer is on the ground, defenseless...now's the time to take advantage of that and make sure he doesn't get up again xD
Did this bug anyone else or is it just me? :P

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I completely agree. That scene completely took me out of the story, and the movie went completely downhill from there. It seemed like Liz knew the guy was at best unconscious, since she was in such a rush to get out of there and start the car. Yet, it never dawned upon her that she should guarantee that the guy was dead by using the knife he dropped or at least gouging his eyes out with her fingers. Not to mention, this guy was a hunter, so there were probably weapons all around the shed she could use whether it be a metal pipe to bash his head in or barbed wire to sever his throat.

I can overlook horror cliches, but the script having the character behave in such a manner was just too moronic to continue caring about their fate. That one scene ruined the movie. The writer put the character in a situation that was far too opportunistic for her to just hysterically and stupidly not take advantage of.

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Agreed. Good buildup but after that scene it seems they threw every horror film cliche in the book in there.

This film mainly just left me feeling really frustrated at the script. Like most horror films, no one real life is that stupid.

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Psyc 101 does not say the brain is not wired that way.

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Psych 101 wouldn't even make reference to anything in this movie. No undergrad psych class would. You are also incorrect about people not being able to kill people if there life is on the line. Generally the sympathetic nervous system will take over and if the person does not run away, they will kill to defend themselves. The sympathetic nervous system takes control of the body and the person loses control over their reactions. That is psych 101.

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Yes, I agree too. This movie was stupid. The build up was okay, even though it started to get a bit boring, but then the 'action' took all real drama out of it.
She wouldn't even had to kill him, just mess up his hands so he couldn't drive or handle a weapon. Earlier shots of the cabin had already shown that one wall had stacks of weapons. Even if she wasn't focussed on eliminating the threat, the wall of weapons within her eye sight should have remembered her to use some sort of weapon on this guy.

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I guess she need to take PSYCH 101. If you did you would learn that most people are unable to kill someone even in self-defense.


OK - so you said it twice and I'm sure you're feeling pretty smart about it.

But you know what? She's not 'most people'. It's true that 'most people' who have read online articles on human psych, or are sitting at home watching tv, or at work behind the desk.. where your blood pressure and pulse rates are really really slow.. amd you're really calm and really bored.. and not threatened in any way.. .yeah those people would never suddenly get up from the couch and kill somebody.

However, that's not the case for this girl. At this point in the movie, she is not at her desk chilling out, surfing the web. At this point in the movie, after seeing what she has seen, and going through all those things she has gone through, and fighting and battling and desperately scrapping for her life.. at this point, it was completely unbelievable that she DIDN'T kill him. It's a complete flaw in the film and the director himself admits it (yes, he does!)

That's why this film doesn't work.



Tell sanchito that if he knows what is good for him he best go run and hide

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What a waste of time!

I thought the storyline was pathetic and had no empathy for the characters.

Worst film I've sat through in a long time.

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For a psych student you don't seem very open minded... I think you need to realize movies aren't reality. They create a premise and exsist within that premise, outside of that it doesn't serve any function besides being entertaining. You can't analyze a horror movie within your definition of reality (what is realistic behaviour) and say "people wouldn't behave like that" cause well frankly you don't know how they would behave.

First off, the flaw, as some might call it, is the most predictable part of any horror movie. About 99% of the horror films I have seen, have at one point had a scene where the main character(s) is given the perfect opportunity to kill the bad guy, but they rarely do. Is this simply because of their inability to kill? I don't think so. I think it's more a movie concept, wanting to keep the story going perhaps. For instance if she killed the bad guy in this movie during that scene it would have ended after an hour, instead they kept going.

Secondly, I don't wanna break out in a psych showdown here, and you might know more about it then I do, but the theoretical aspects of psychology are based on ideal human behaviour. Humans want to believe that, even in the most grusome scenarios humans would still treat each other with dignity and respect, but as I'm sure you know (if you are a psych student) that's not the case. Take the Stanford prison experiments. Within a very short period of time people went from being normal, caring human beings to creating a class system were the prison guards intentionally and willingly mistreated the prisoners to such an extent nobody were able to predict.

I think you're blinded by the theoretical aspects of psychology. There hasn't exactly been a realistic study on what people would actually do if they were placed in a situation like this (for obvious ethical reasons...) People who have experienced horrifying things might have said they weren't able to kill, but that doesn't mean it's the same for everyone. The one thing psychology can't (won't) claim is that everyone is identical. People react differently, they deal with situations differently, so it's impossible, yeah I said impossible to predict what someone might do in a case like this. Regardless of what a text book might say, the truth is they don't have a clue! The closest prediction of plausible human behaviour in terms of films would be The Hills Have Eyes, the closing scene of the original really showing what humans MIGHT do if pushed too far. That's really all you can do, it's predict what they might do but you need to do it within the premise the film sets for its action. By premise I mean the scenario/plot it has presented.

In regards to this film in particular I agree with people saying it completely threw off the flow of the movie. In that moment you want them to kill the bad guy, you expect them to kill the bad guy. She already shot him proving she is capable of hurting someone, so it wouldn't have been the most improbable thing in the world to have her kill him. She did in fact try to shot him again but the gun jammed/ran out of bullets so she resorted to playfully hitting him on the back and running away...

Lastly, this isn't intended as a attack on you personally, I'm just trying to have a good discussion about the movie and the claims you made. Hope you don't take it personally.

Also as a last, LAST point in this argument. You said earlier people are unlikely to kill (did you mean hurt as well?) even if they feel threatened. I don't know if this counts but studies have found that in cases were people have percieved themselves as threatened, your entire body actually prepares for a fight. Muscles clench, heart beats faster, breathing is faster, adrenaline starts pumping throughout the body. The body is prepared to deal with a fight. Obviously it's quite a stretch to go from fighting to killing someone but in the heat of the moment it's certainly plausible that you might kill someone if you feel threatened. Maybe I'm wrong but then again, maybe you're wrong...? Who knows...

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Yeah, I agree that it is deliberately done as an additional trigger for the viewers' emotions and to reset the suspense to extend the experience. (But it doesn't seem like that great of idea since it turns that experience into a negative one for most viewers).

As for the capacity to kill: lots of women pick up knives in trivial domestic arguments! True, it's less common for them to thrust them home, but it really wouldn't take that much extra when it's a stranger and he's passed out...

If we're going to come up with theories, I would say Liz was sexually attracted to the killer. (The guy she is with is a douche, was too weak at the bar, isn't sexually aggressive enough, and can't fix things). She almost grovels to the killer while he is fixing the car, seems to enjoy the torture scene until he starts to get sexual with another woman, at which point she finally gets mad, but only half-heartedly attacks, because she respects and needs him. The second time she almost gets away she slows down to find out more about her fascinating fellow, and is so impressed she hopes he will catch her and spend glorious months raping her. Maybe they even have a future together! However, woman that she is, she underestimates what a man's truck means to him, but at least she got to feel her lover's massive knife inside of her. She dies happy to have been touched by a real man.

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I agree with you on the one hand and I agree with Cordawgfrito on the other.

First off, Cordawgfrito is probably right. In that situation, most of us wouldn't stick around to kill someone, whether it's because it's just not in us, or we panic and want to run away as fast as we can, or numerous other reasons.

Did the scene bug me? Yes, of course, because I'd like to think that I would have stuck around to finish the job to ensure my survival. However, why do I think this? SIMPLY BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN SO MANY HORROR MOVIES! Most horror movie characters exist in a world in which they've never seemed to have seen a horror movie...if they had, they probably would have stayed and killed the guy. What I'm saying is, I would only stay and make sure my opponent is dead based on the fact that I've seen so many horror movies. If I hadn't, I would never think to stick around and kill someone, or maim them. My instinct would be to run.

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I wonder if her reaction was similar to the way I would react if I had to kill a huge spider. She had the guy down and she most likely could have killed him then and there but was perhaps afraid to make the move towards him (even though she was standing right over him) and instead of doing the smart thing and kill him maybe she thought, 'he's faking it and if I make a move he's gonna spring to life and grab my leg' or something. If I see spider I'm thinking, 'I really should go ahead and kill it since I can see it and it's right in front of me' but at the risk of having it show up later, I don't kill it out of fear of it moving really fast towards me. Just my two cents.

Peace is not the absence of affliction, but the presence of God. ~Author Unknown

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Oh man... There is a huge difference between a spider and a man... even if the man is a killer. Believe me. Very few people, except phychopats, are capable of killing an unconscious person.

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Yeah, that's nonsense. If someone drugged and bound me, murdered my friend (as she then believed) and was about to rape another, had a corpse hanging on his wall, if I had any reason to believe he would ever pose a threat to me or anyone else again I would kill him.

Not everyone who isn't a cringing, hysterical little twit (like the protagonists of this film)is a psychopath. I refuse to believe that not being an idiot is really all that rare.

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You would kill the psychopath and I would kill him, too, but believe me, there are people incapable of pulling the trigger if they have a person or even an animal in front of them. I happen to know such an individual, she would never kill because of her religion.

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b***h shoulda maimed the guy, then raped him. ridiculous film.

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Not only that but she also left the gun on the ground next to him.

But this happens in pretty much every horror movie out there. When the bad guy is on the ground they always think it's better to start running away than to take care of him. Haven't these people watched horror movies? lol

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I know she probably was not thinking clearly but still...crazy serial killer is on the ground, defenseless...now's the time to take advantage of that and make sure he doesn't get up again xD Did this bug anyone else or is it just me? :P
You've kind of answered your own question. She wasn't thinking straight. Most people in a blind panic don't usually think straight or do the logical thing. She did at least try to shoot him again at first. You saw her attempt to reload the rifle, but somehow her effort failed (no bullets). Her hitting him on the back was more an act of frustration rather than trying to kill him. She thought he was sufficiently comatose at that point and that it was best to untie Kristie and just get away quickly. Neither of the girls were even contemplatng Ben's fate at that point.

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I think I raged/blathered/psychobabbled on this subject before. But since you are just dying for my opinion I'll be glad to give you my two cents. It could be that Liz was high on the pot and/or Mick mix and was feeling guilty and passive at that moment. You know how you women are. Earlier when the guy kissed her hand at the party she claimed she could pack a punch. Wonder where the aggression went. You saw how she began crying when she woke up and made all that noise. Having a snotty blithering Kristy didn't help but the two could have very easily tied Mick up and went to look for Ben. But then they wouldn't have a movie. What I can't figure and has driven me balmy is how in the absolute dead quiet of Wolf Creek did Mick drive his rig near enough to tamper with Ben's car. Did Mick park a mile away and walk up? Even then that truck would have sounded like thunder.

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It could be that Liz was high on the pot and/or Mick mix and was feeling guilty


Women don’t feel guilt.

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